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Thread started 07/01/23 10:47pm

Am3121

Appreciation for "Betcha by golly wow"

I can't get enough of this song as of late
A few things to mention
I knew before I heard prince's version that it was a remake.A friend of mine had never heard the original and mentioned how tame the original is compared to the Prince version
How Prince's version wasn't a hit is beyond me
It's just as good maybe even better than "the most beautiful girl in the world"

I love the music video to with the rainbow,the "I love u" in the sky,and the hospital footage

Very underated track
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Reply #1 posted 07/02/23 12:28am

WhisperingDand
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The original (well, the Stylistics version technically a remake too, but same writer/producer so same architect/license) is an example of a truly 100% perfect song and Prince's version added absolutely nothing new. I appreciate all of Thom Bell original renditions of "Betcha By Golly Wow" completely and totally.

I really would genuinely like to know what some Prince fans see in his later version that makes it great or "better", other than the fact that it has Prince singing over a 90s karaoke machine backing track.

It feels like every single other ballad on Emancipation was an infinitely more successful delivery/execution of the same sentiment he's attempting with "Betcha By Golly Wow", only without drawing on the Mona Lisa as it were. His career is cool as is, but it'd be even a couple notches cooler if his studio output was solely original material.

[Edited 7/2/23 0:48am]

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Reply #2 posted 07/02/23 12:53am

MsNia

Personally, I always preferred the Stylistics version as Prince's voice sounds a little stretched on his cover of it. But it's romantic and cute, and the video is kinda heartbreaking given how things ended up. This might be one of those songs that is impossible to separate from that period of his life with Mayte - maybe that explains why so few Emancipation tracks ever got played live later on.

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Reply #3 posted 07/02/23 4:14am

lurker316

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WhisperingDandelions said:

other than the fact that it has Prince singing over a 90s karaoke machine backing track.

[Edited 7/2/23 0:48am]



100%.
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Reply #4 posted 07/02/23 4:57am

Am3121

MsNia said:

Personally, I always preferred the Stylistics version as Prince's voice sounds a little stretched on his cover of it. But it's romantic and cute, and the video is kinda heartbreaking given how things ended up. This might be one of those songs that is impossible to separate from that period of his life with Mayte - maybe that explains why so few Emancipation tracks ever got played live later on.



If I remember correctly I think mayte when to one of the Vegas concerts Prince did in 2006 and he performed "journey 2 the center of your heart" and dedicated it to her
I may be wrong on this though
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Reply #5 posted 07/02/23 5:34am

RJOrion

The song itself, is one of the greatest ballads ever produced...the Stylistics version is clearly the best...almost anybody who can carry a tune will sound good singing this song...Prince doesnt add anything new, nor does he do anything to harm the song...im normally not a fan of remakes, but since P was such a prolific creator himself, and so many people have covered his stuff, i have so problem at all with Prince's rendition of this iconic song.
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Reply #6 posted 07/02/23 8:22am

funkbabyandthe
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Bit too heavy on the drums, but his vocals are incredible

He really soars on this one
Lalala means... is also beautiful

But again the production/instrumentation lets it down a bit

Neither really justify their being, but i like them all the same

They should really have been b sides though imo
Betcha as the first single too, that was just trying to score another tmbgitw hit
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Reply #7 posted 07/02/23 5:22pm

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For me personally, it was a very low point in Prince's career. He had avoided releasing cover versions officially, and had kept covers exclusively to concert performances. Emancipation had not one, not two, not three, but FOUR covers.

On the album he was "born to make." It was very disappointing, because clearly these tracks, including "Betcha By Golly...", were filler.

The video, of course, would end up being a very sad document of what could have been. The original, an absolute classic, that should have been left alone.

But the recording itself is not bad.

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Reply #8 posted 07/02/23 6:26pm

DotsofU

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Good or Bad.. all subjective, I guess

BUT why in HELL was this the first single??????

GOOD LORD!

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Reply #9 posted 07/02/23 7:52pm

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The original was, as people have said, perfect. Prince didn't do anything new with it which should have precluded him from putting it on an album. What's worse it was pure schmaltz as was La, La, La... means I love you. neutral

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Reply #10 posted 07/02/23 8:12pm

BSonmor

I'm with everyone else, Prince's version is VASTLY inferior to the Thom Bell-produced Stylistics version. I love love love Prince, but I really dislike this cover. In my opinion, Thom Bell was one of the greatest writer/producers who ever lived. His melodies were TOP NOTCH and his productions swallowed you up into a different world. He was so original and so accomplished and so humble of his enormous talents. His songs are timeless. Rest in power, Thom Bell.

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Reply #11 posted 07/02/23 11:55pm

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It was a bad, or at least, uninteresting single, though it made sense as his last hit was tmbgitw

But i cant think of many other potential lead singles tbh
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Reply #12 posted 07/03/23 12:21am

Am3121

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

It was a bad, or at least, uninteresting single, though it made sense as his last hit was tmbgitw

But i cant think of many other potential lead singles tbh


If I were in charge I would've made "sleep around" the lead single
Trimmed it down to 3 minutes (like the oprah version ) and have a great music video to it
Have Prince driving around in the car featured in the betcha golly wow video and maybe have some random bloke try to get it on with some hot woman but she isn't happy because he's not "doing it like she like it" so she starts sleeping around
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Reply #13 posted 07/03/23 12:35am

funkbabyandthe
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Thatd be good
But idk if he would have gone with a dancey single for the first single
Either way it was really dumb they never made that a single
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Reply #14 posted 07/04/23 8:52am

LILpoundCAKE

Face Down would have made sense as a first single, even as just a promo video,
just to set up the narrative.


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Reply #15 posted 07/04/23 8:55am

funkbabyandthe
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Face down is another of his embarrassing 90s songs though lol
I know it has its fans but its prince trying to sound all attitude-y
Kinda like days of wild, actually
Cool live but on record, not sure he pulls it off
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Reply #16 posted 07/04/23 9:01am

RJOrion

"Face Down" is one of the worst Prince songs ever recorded...almost as horrible as "Pussy Control" and "Moonbeam Levels"
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Reply #17 posted 07/04/23 9:21am

funkbabyandthe
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moonbeam levels? as bad as face down or p control? biggrin

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Reply #18 posted 07/04/23 9:26am

Am3121

RJOrion said:

"Face Down" is one of the worst Prince songs ever recorded...almost as horrible as "Pussy Control" and "Moonbeam Levels"


I love all 3 of those
"Purple and gold" is probably the worst song Prince recorded
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Reply #19 posted 07/04/23 9:47am

RJOrion

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

moonbeam levels? as bad as face down or p control? biggrin




I know alot of people seem to like moonbeam levels, and lord knows ive tried...but i cant...its a hideous sounding song with a horrifying melody...id rather listen to a thousand babies crying at the same time, to get a bottle and a clean diaper.
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Reply #20 posted 07/04/23 11:54am

LILpoundCAKE

ah, not many takers for the Face Down single, I see smile

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Reply #21 posted 07/04/23 12:01pm

funkbabyandthe
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all the singles sucked, except holy river, but thats just not 'big' enough as a song to really be a hit

its like a single you release after one or two big singles, but emancipation didnt really have those either

betcha... nice vocals, corny production and band effort, only good if you wanted to announce that prince had become your favourite middle of the road artist

somebodys somebody - a really solid song, but kinda generic for prince, he should have given it to TLC (i could actually see t-boz doing it well tbh) or someone else to do instead - if it was 1981, hed have given it to the time

holy river - one of his greatest 90s songs, and one of the best springsteen songs not by springsteen, but idk, i think it was just more of an album cut than single

face down - god this just sucked (reasons already mentioned)

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Reply #22 posted 07/04/23 12:48pm

Am3121

Someone should use AI technology to dub Bruce Springsteen's vocals on the holy river
That might actually be pretty good
Better than David Bowie singing nothing compares 2 u
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Reply #23 posted 07/04/23 12:49pm

Am3121

LILpoundCAKE said:

ah, not many takers for the Face Down single, I see smile



Don't play with my money cuz it sure ain't funny!

I dig it.Ofcourse I'm in the few that really like all the singles from emancipation
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Reply #24 posted 07/04/23 12:50pm

Am3121

RJOrion said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

moonbeam levels? as bad as face down or p control? biggrin




I know alot of people seem to like moonbeam levels, and lord knows ive tried...but i cant...its a hideous sounding song with a horrifying melody...id rather listen to a thousand babies crying at the same time, to get a bottle and a clean diaper.


Even my grandma who is barely a casual fan and is only a fan of the song purple rain,even likes "moonbeam levels".
She called it one of his best and she's almost 80

But I know everyone has different tastes
I personally never cared for the 1999 outtake "turn it up".Never understood the appeal and I think it's a fan favorite
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Reply #25 posted 07/04/23 3:46pm

funkbabyandthe
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I still think its shocking he never released it (moonbeam i mean)
It should have been on something
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Reply #26 posted 07/04/23 7:54pm

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Love Face Down. Easily one of the best tracks of Emancipation. The live version recorded at the Roseland in NYC is amazing.Prince was not trying to sound 'attitudy.' The guy was fukcing pissed and he'd tell you as much every time he played that song live. Lucky to see it happen myself 3 times. Fire.

Betcha By Golly Wow single handledly killed any chance Emancipation had of being even remotely successful. I could name 12 tracks that wouldve been great first singles.

[Edited 7/4/23 19:56pm]

[Edited 7/4/23 19:58pm]

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Reply #27 posted 07/05/23 2:49am

leecaldon

It's one of Prince's great vocal performances.

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Reply #28 posted 07/05/23 5:05am

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I have no appreciation for it. Never liked Emancipation as an album either. Too bland, too middle of the road for me. Badly produced. Listening to it in the record store was one of the most painful experiences I ever had as a Prince fan. I felt embarrassed to be a Prince fan. It was the first time I didn't buy a new Prince album on the day of its' release. Only bought it a few years later for 5 euro from the bargain bin just to complete my collection.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #29 posted 07/05/23 5:45am

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funkaholic1972 said:

I have no appreciation for it. Never liked Emancipation as an album either. Too bland, too middle of the road for me. Badly produced. Listening to it in the record store was one of the most painful experiences I ever had as a Prince fan. I felt embarrassed to be a Prince fan. It was the first time I didn't buy a new Prince album on the day of its' release. Only bought it a few years later for 5 euro from the bargain bin just to complete my collection.

Agreed.



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