i'm a bit confused as well. so they didn't announce any plans to release anything in the near future,
as in this year?

how weird that they wouldn't even give some more information to those who were handed that usb
with 2 'new' tracks. especially since it's titled 'the vault series 1'.

no one thought it might be a good idea to drum up some excitement by giving out at least A LITTLE
information regarding what is coming or what the plans are for the future?

spicer and londell were all over the celebration if i read the various reports right, so did no one ask
them right out 'what are working on right now, what releases can we expect?' or for instance 'what
is the hold up? is it netflix, is it something else?' and 'is the new guard going to continue with SDE
issues of his major albums?' etc etc.

so they managed do somehow dodge all these questions, or they weren't asked?

with the 'diamonds & pearls/nothing compares 2 u' single being given out last year, it kind of makes
me think that 'the vault series 1' tape doesn't really mean anything either. stuff given out which we
like to think will lead to imminent releases of more music, yet nothing comes from it.

bwaaatch said:

I feel like we we all expecting an announcement of new stuff to buy or stream, and that this would obviously involve D&P and Symbol at the very least. I’ve enjoyed the threads and teasers on here, but is it accurate to say that the expected announcements did not happen?

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Nothing was announced (and IIRC questions were dodged), all Spicer did was babble on about how this was going to be a BIG YEAR. (Which Prince also did several times and each time it turned out to be a wet fart, so the Estate is keeping with tradition.)

I was there. Nothing was announced, to my knowledge.

There you go then...

lol.....u say this as if it is a surprise.

This Estate is rudderless.

Yep!

Clean up your behind and change your boxers, or g-strings!

Gooddoctor23 said:

I'm calling it now: these two tracks are the only new thing that's gonna be released this year, and they're gonna be released in subpar quality with some kind of obvious audio issues. Maybe not as bad as the 128kbps mixdowns circulating now, but not audiophile quality, either. And the estate is going to act like this is a generous surprise for the fans while ignoring that the tracks had already been circulating in poor quality for an entire month.

In October, we'll probably get a standard remastered reissue of D&P with b-sides and remixes, but no vault tracks and no expanded SDE. Then that'll be it until next year.

I'm not sure it's fair to assume the estate is rudderless or adrift simply because they aren't saying anything. We know 0% of what goes on behind the scenes. We have seen remaster disks for D&P and . So that's probably closer than we think, especially with the "7" (E Minor) being put out (despite it being some purposeful warbly quality which is entirely unlistenable).

I do agree June would be the logical time to have it happen, but - month's not over yet.

That hack Spicer, in response to the "7" issue, said that the appetizer is never as good as the whole meal. So - whatever that means.

The Estate clearly has their head up their own asses, their condescension, talking about negiativity and all the other shit to try and excuse away their obvious mismangaement, lackluster releases, and stagnation is a clear sign they know they've fucked up. Nobody would be as defensive as they are if they were actually doing something.

It's 2023, Neil Young showed them the way with the Neil Young Arhcives and subscription based scheme - why in the world we don't have this yet is just another tall tale sign of the Estate's incompetence.

claudemorton said:

The Estate clearly has their head up their own asses, their condescension, talking about negiativity and all the other shit to try and excuse away their obvious mismangaement, lackluster releases, and stagnation is a clear sign they know they've fucked up. Nobody would be as defensive as they are if they were actually doing something.

It's 2023, Neil Young showed them the way with the Neil Young Arhcives and subscription based scheme - why in the world we don't have this yet is just another tall tale sign of the Estate's incompetence.

Perhaps because people such as Londell and Charles are calling the shots or having an undue influence.

claudemorton said:

The Estate clearly has their head up their own asses, their condescension, talking about negiativity and all the other shit to try and excuse away their obvious mismangaement, lackluster releases, and stagnation is a clear sign they know they've fucked up. Nobody would be as defensive as they are if they were actually doing something.

It's 2023, Neil Young showed them the way with the Neil Young Arhcives and subscription based scheme - why in the world we don't have this yet is just another tall tale sign of the Estate's incompetence.

100%

claudemorton said:

The Estate clearly has their head up their own asses, their condescension, talking about negiativity and all the other shit to try and excuse away their obvious mismangaement, lackluster releases, and stagnation is a clear sign they know they've fucked up. Nobody would be as defensive as they are if they were actually doing something.

It's 2023, Neil Young showed them the way with the Neil Young Arhcives and subscription based scheme - why in the world we don't have this yet is just another tall tale sign of the Estate's incompetence.

When asked about it, Neil Young said he didn't build this (incredible) platform for money. He's like an archivist of his own art. He built it as much for himself as for his fans but money doesn't seem to be the point here.

So i guess we have our answer when it comes to the Prince Estate . All they want is low costs and high profits. As for the rest, they just don't give a shit.

[Edited 6/16/23 7:07am]

All the Estate wants is low costs and high profits. As for the rest, they just don't give a shit.

This should be printed on T-Shirts.

happyshopper said:

DarylB1 said:

Am3121 said:

I can't wait for-eeeeeeeee-veeerrrrrr Sorry got the lotus flower "4ever" song stuck in my head Seriously we can't wait forever

I ain't getting any younger...

FrankieCoco1 said:

What I don’t understand is how Primary Wave, which owns 50% of things* doesn’t seem to be doing anything. I’d think they’d be wanting to maximise their investment, e.g. with a strategy, regular releases and better communication channels. Unless they are playing the long game and letting things implode so they can buy off the rest at a cheap dollar. However, if it all goes wrong, e.g. not looking after Paisley Park and the artefacts there, which degrade badly and quickly with little proper care in place, they’ll surely make zilch long-term. Saying that maybe the current estate is making profit by a seemingly tight-fisted approach. I’ve heard there were about 1500 present at this celebration, with a few attendees saying more VIPs than regulars. So, say 1000 paid £1000 = £1M & 500 paid £500 = £250k. Total revenue = £1.25M or $1M with very little outlay. A SDE at £250 (~$200) would have to sell 5000 to make the same amount with similar effort/cost, or perhaps a lot more cost, I don’t know. A mega SDE at £500 (~$400) would have to sell 2500 for similar revenue. Remember for the previous SDE releases not all 100,000 sales, or whatever it was, were SDE, many were the standard remasters at a much lower cost. A one off album release, e.g. like W2A or the PR live, say at £25 (~$20) would have to sell 50,000 to make the same, as the celebration. Would a D&P/o-|-> SDE sell big enough volumes for the estate/Primary Wave, and Warners/Sony, to make sufficient profit? Or would a random release of a collection of unreleased stuff (a vault series perhaps) of 10-12 songs be more profitable?

I'm bringing a heap of $ to your currency exchange!

It's an interesting thought though - why aren't the money men doing more to recoup their investment?

FrankieCoco1 said:

What I don’t understand is how Primary Wave, which owns 50% of things* doesn’t seem to be doing anything. I’d think they’d be wanting to maximise their investment, e.g. with a strategy, regular releases and better communication channels. Unless they are playing the long game and letting things implode so they can buy off the rest at a cheap dollar. However, if it all goes wrong, e.g. not looking after Paisley Park and the artefacts there, which degrade badly and quickly with little proper care in place, they’ll surely make zilch long-term. Saying that maybe the current estate is making profit by a seemingly tight-fisted approach. I’ve heard there were about 1500 present at this celebration, with a few attendees saying more VIPs than regulars. So, say 1000 paid £1000 = £1M & 500 paid £500 = £250k. Total revenue = £1.25M or $1M with very little outlay. A SDE at £250 (~$200) would have to sell 5000 to make the same amount with similar effort/cost, or perhaps a lot more cost, I don’t know. A mega SDE at £500 (~$400) would have to sell 2500 for similar revenue. Remember for the previous SDE releases not all 100,000 sales, or whatever it was, were SDE, many were the standard remasters at a much lower cost. A one off album release, e.g. like W2A or the PR live, say at £25 (~$20) would have to sell 50,000 to make the same, as the celebration. Would a D&P/o-|-> SDE sell big enough volumes for the estate/Primary Wave, and Warners/Sony, to make sufficient profit? Or would a random release of a collection of unreleased stuff (a vault series perhaps) of 10-12 songs be more profitable?

Any of those options would be more profitable than what why have allowed us to buy so far. How much profit is there on sales of 0 items?