bizzie said:

Kares said:

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There's nothing wrong with FIML(alt).

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Yes there is:

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For anyone who gives a damn, here is my attempt at an "extended version" of Forever In My Life, combining the album version and the latter half of the version released this week.

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This took me most of the day, because the tempo of the run thru version doesn't quite match. It seems like the tape has stretched or become deformed in some way because the tempo varies across the 3 minute of the second half. I needed to overlay the drums from the album version so the timing had to be perfect. I chopped the track into 34 segments and adjusted the timing of each one individually. The timing is now very tight but then I started tweaking the EQ, and my production skills ain't worth shit, so if it doesn't sound great on your headphones or in your car then I appologise

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Gimmie that, Bizzie

I'm serious!

i want that "Forever In My Life (BVH Remiss)

i don't care what people may say i ain't gon' let it ruin my day

anyway i'd like the full vault series release now. thanks.

happyshopper said:

Very much hoping that all these tracks will get a full release in better quality, at some point. I don’t think the Estate appreciate how fickle the fans are, and probably thought we’d lap this up. We’ll have to live with these until the D&P SDE later this year.

I am lapping it up in the sense that they didn't *have* to give us anything early, release or no release, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating that they went out of their way to fuck with the audio quality.

lustmealways said:

I'd honestly prefer nothing than intentionally low-bitrate quality getting perpetuated and re-distributed into the ether.

Everyone here smiling and hoping for the best when OP's comments on the 7 inch imply this is gonna be what they sell us, too.

Like how the Purple Rain deluxe version of "Velvet Kitty Cat" was them simply pressing the 128kbps MP3 leak to disc, so when you rip your CD or download digitally you're literally getting worse quality than the bad quality initially provided. Or a 128kbps converted to FLAC or WAV (which doesn't magically restore quality, if anyone out there wasn't sure).

Some fans don't get low bitrate and the perpetuation/transcoding of low bitrate reconverted to another low bitrate is so much worse than "not pristine quality" or a little tape hiss.

And this tidbit about the tape tempo is gonna get lost amidst the org's battered-wife-esque preening for the Estate's transcoded breadcrumbs.

The org be like:

"The Prince estate provides for all of us, and they deserve our respect."

bizzie said:

For anyone who gives a damn, here is my attempt at an "extended version" of Forever In My Life, combining the album version and the latter half of the version released this week.

This took me most of the day, because the tempo of the run thru version doesn't quite match. It seems like the tape has stretched or become deformed in some way because the tempo varies across the 3 minute of the second half. I needed to overlay the drums from the album version so the timing had to be perfect. I chopped the track into 34 segments and adjusted the timing of each one individually. The timing is now very tight but then I started tweaking the EQ, and my production skills ain't worth shit, so if it doesn't sound great on your headphones or in your car then I appologise

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Yeah they did this with the "I Feel for You" acoustic demo, too.

Literally the greatest artist of the 20th century and these jabronis can't even be inconvenienced by fixing a basic tape warp. If I plug in a cassette deck to rip my Alvin and the Chipmunks cassette from back in the day I'm checking the tempo/pitch and that rip would be just for me. These fools are releasing to a fanbase of potentially thousands and just DGAF.

Then if that's not bad enough, you got these sycophantic abused step children who refuse to acknowledge their parent as defectives. Look, I know a lot of us have childhood physical abuse in common with Prince, some of these cope reactions aren't maybe a manifestation of that? Half the people I engage with who got abused feel like they deserve it in a way, maybe it "straightened them out", maybe we just need to sit and be thankful for what we were provided. Sound familiar?

WhisperingDandelions said:

maybe we just need to sit and be thankful for what we were provided. Sound familiar?

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At the start of the NPGMC, plenty of hardcore fans (the naysayers who bitched about CB being delayed for months without news, the naysayers who bitched about CB being a shitty compilation, etc.) complained that the NPGMC app -- which used a beta version of QuickTime which expired on the day the NPGMC was launched -- was a bloated piece of crap which drained computer resources, and that it should be replaced by an easy to use website. Famz said we were always bitching... yet the bloated software was replaced by... an easy to use website.

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Same naysayers also pointed out that the NPGMC MP3s were a) low bitrate and b) made with just about the worst codec that could be found, at a time when LAME was easily available. Again it took months, but then suddenly the MP3s started getting replaced by higher bitrate copies, and they were created with different software that wasn't as shitty.

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If the naysayers were always wrong, how come those changes happened? And how come the famz never acknowledged this and thanked the naysayers for getting better quality downloads? Because back then the famz were also telling us to "just be glad you're getting something".

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It's the naysayers who immediately pointed out the tech flaws in the Lotusflower website while the famz were like "it is perfectly notmal that a website crashes when 100 people try to access it at the same time".

Ramzoo said:

Who cares about quality now knowing that it will B soon released (through streaming platforms)?

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"Well this was a massive shitshow, but surely the next thing won't be a massive shitshow."

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You know what, I'm gonna be very cynical to whatever claim is made by people who regularly lie and scam people. People who organised a Prince Celebration with parties where barely any Prince music was played, yet there was time for a Tina Turner tribute. People who organised a Celebration with barely any Prince content. People who showed videos on a reflective screen that was unsuitable for showing videos. People who couldn't provide consistent recording dates. People who wanted journalists to sign an NDA when reporting about the Celebration. People who lied about there being an announcement about the SDE at the Celebration.

bizzie said:

Kares said:

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There's nothing wrong with FIML(alt).

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Yes there is:

.

For anyone who gives a damn, here is my attempt at an "extended version" of Forever In My Life, combining the album version and the latter half of the version released this week.

.

This took me most of the day, because the tempo of the run thru version doesn't quite match. It seems like the tape has stretched or become deformed in some way because the tempo varies across the 3 minute of the second half. I needed to overlay the drums from the album version so the timing had to be perfect. I chopped the track into 34 segments and adjusted the timing of each one individually. The timing is now very tight but then I started tweaking the EQ, and my production skills ain't worth shit, so if it doesn't sound great on your headphones or in your car then I appologise

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Again: there's nothing wrong with FIML.
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But to be precise: if there's anything wrong with it, it is how it was tracked in the first place, not due to some tape warping or whatever else.
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People often forget that for most of the history of sound recordings, there were no computers and no MIDI, and most great musicians didn't even use a click track. So if there is a slight (or major) tempo-fluctuation in any recordings, they assume it's wrong. No, it's natural. (Just listen to some of the worst offenders: the 12" version of Let's Work, or Cobham's original Stratus, or Dylan's Tangled Up In Blue etc.)
Linn's LM-1 and LinnDrum were both analog machines, using analog timer chips that weren't exactly the most reliable and stable ones, so they fluctuated too. That is what you hear on FIML(alt).
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Besides, the side effects of any analog tape warping would be totally different, it would come with an audible pitch-fluctuation and other anomalies (like periodic loss of high end, for example) as well. This is not what we're dealing with here.
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bizzie said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

maybe we just need to sit and be thankful for what we were provided. Sound familiar?

.

At the start of the NPGMC, plenty of hardcore fans (the naysayers who bitched about CB being delayed for months without news, the naysayers who bitched about CB being a shitty compilation, etc.) complained that the NPGMC app -- which used a beta version of QuickTime which expired on the day the NPGMC was launched -- was a bloated piece of crap which drained computer resources, and that it should be replaced by an easy to use website. Famz said we were always bitching... yet the bloated software was replaced by... an easy to use website.

.

Same naysayers also pointed out that the NPGMC MP3s were a) low bitrate and b) made with just about the worst codec that could be found, at a time when LAME was easily available. Again it took months, but then suddenly the MP3s started getting replaced by higher bitrate copies, and they were created with different software that wasn't as shitty.

.

If the naysayers were always wrong, how come those changes happened? And how come the famz never acknowledged this and thanked the naysayers for getting better quality downloads? Because back then the famz were also telling us to "just be glad you're getting something".

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It's the naysayers who immediately pointed out the tech flaws in the Lotusflower website while the famz were like "it is perfectly notmal that a website crashes when 100 people try to access it at the same time".

Here's to the naysayers! (I was one of them on a few of these).

Kares said:

bizzie said:

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Again: there's nothing wrong with FIML.
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But to be precise: if there's anything wrong with it, it is how it was tracked in the first place, not due to some tape warping or whatever else.

Yep, this is true.

I just played the SOTT and early version at the same time in VirtualDJ and they are almost exactly the same. (The early version is slower by less than 0.1 % than the SOTT version)

Both the SOTT version and early version have the smae fluctuations in tempo.

donovd said:

Kares said:

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Again: there's nothing wrong with FIML.
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But to be precise: if there's anything wrong with it, it is how it was tracked in the first place, not due to some tape warping or whatever else.

Yep, this is true.

I just played the SOTT and early version at the same time in VirtualDJ and they are almost exactly the same. (The early version is slower by less than 0.1 % than the SOTT version)

Both the SOTT version and early version have the smae fluctuations in tempo.

Second this. Bizzie just doesn't understand and know what he's doing. Child like qualities for sure.

leecaldon said: