What does it mean? We've been told that Netflix apparently "has dibs" on footage and audio, but why did that not interfere with the 1999 or SOTT SDE's? If it's such a huge deal, why did we get the footage that was included in those releases? Did they have to go to Netflix and ask permission before releasing that footage with the boxes? If it was worked around in the past, why can't it be worked around now?

I just hear the excuse a lot and I really don't understand the inner machinations of what it actually entails, and really I don't think anyone who is publicly talking does either.

Thank you for that explaination.

We should help each other in this dying forum instead of just posting old pics of Prince's ass!

nayroo2002 said:

Thank you for that explaination.

We should help each other in this dying forum instead of just posting old pics of Prince's ass!

Help and his ass are both appropriate here.He loved his ass.
He would want us to appreciate it.

So no SDE without Netflix signing Off?

Rumors still have it that the Netflix doc has been cancelled. I don't think the contents of the vault were ever the property/control of Netflix; just that they could use what they found.
I'm feeling doubtful about the project since it would seem 2023 (Year 7) would be the prime target for releaSE.
i have checked with people who know and they're heard the same.
Who knows?

Has an update even been given on this documentary in the last few years? Last I heard, the original director parted ways with the project and it has been quiet ever since. Kind of ridiculous that this documentary stuck in limbo is holding everything up, assuming that's even true and not a bullshit excuse thrown out by people who pretend to have insider knowledge

muleFunk said:

I asked an insider on Music Row in Nashville and the NETFLIX documentary has Parade Deluxe on Ice. I also heard the same from others like Funkenberry.

So the Netflix doc is not cancelled then ?

paisleyparkgirl said:

muleFunk said:

I asked an insider on Music Row in Nashville and the NETFLIX documentary has Parade Deluxe on Ice. I also heard the same from others like Funkenberry.

So the Netflix doc is not cancelled then ?

Or the worst of both worlds - that any new SDEs have been needlessly postponed for a now cancelled doc series... Which feels plausible? (Especially with Netflix scaling back spending)

paisleyparkgirl said:

Do you guys really think the Netflix doc was going to negatively affect Prince's legacy ?

boomshaka said:

I really hope the Netflix doc gets cancelled. The internet is lethal, and as soon as they start discussing his romantic life and meeting/low-key grooming/marriage to Mayte it's a wrap. Hopefully she is in the documentary to speak on things but I can just see it going south. We all know he was messy, but as fans we see beyond that - it's going to be difficult for others to do that and I can already see it blowing up. Hopefully that's not the case but gen z aren't exactly familiar with Prince the musician/artist and may only see him for Prince the sloppy mf who played A LOT of games with people. proceeds to listen to the majestic beauty that is The Morning Papers 😓😂 [Edited 4/20/23 8:26am] [Edited 4/20/23 8:27am]

I agree that Gen-Z is quick to call out everyone on their problematic behavior.

boomshaka said:

I really hope the Netflix doc gets cancelled. The internet is lethal, and as soon as they start discussing his romantic life and meeting/low-key grooming/marriage to Mayte it's a wrap. Hopefully she is in the documentary to speak on things but I can just see it going south. We all know he was messy, but as fans we see beyond that - it's going to be difficult for others to do that and I can already see it blowing up. Hopefully that's not the case but gen z aren't exactly familiar with Prince the musician/artist and may only see him for Prince the sloppy mf who played A LOT of games with people. proceeds to listen to the majestic beauty that is The Morning Papers 😓😂 [Edited 4/20/23 8:26am] [Edited 4/20/23 8:27am]

Everyone has been glossing over Prince's flaws ever since the man passed, I don't think this documentary is gonna usher in any kind of "cancellation", nor do I think Gen Z-ers will be going out of their way to watch it, either. I mean, if Michael Jackson can still have a solid fanbase and be celebrated nowadays in spite of full-on pedophilia allegations, Prince's legacy will be fine.

bozojones said:

Has an update even been given on this documentary in the last few years? Last I heard, the original director parted ways with the project and it has been quiet ever since. Kind of ridiculous that this documentary stuck in limbo is holding everything up, assuming that's even true and not a bullshit excuse thrown out by people who pretend to have insider knowledge

The original director bowed out and was replaced shortly thereafter by award-winning Ezra Edelman. (The was top-secret for a long time but I've seen it leaked.)

Robbajobba said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

So the Netflix doc is not cancelled then ?

Or the worst of both worlds - that any new SDEs have been needlessly postponed for a now cancelled doc series... Which feels plausible? (Especially with Netflix scaling back spending)

Netflix cutting costs shouldn't affect the doc. It was budgeted when....four years ago? The estate, obviously, has already been paid for their cooperation and assets to be included.

When Sharon Nelson announced "everything previously scheduled is cancelled" (paraphrasing), I knew a lot was in trouble. AND NOW, with Sharon and Londell fighting publicly on Twitter, it's just a mess.
WHY couldn't that "family" just get together as one team rather than letting the elderly rolks take over?

I'm skeptical that the Netflix doc is holding up releases. I don't understand how or why documentarians would be given such control.

Even if they were given such control, wouldn't there have been an expiration clause? Not just expiring upon the release of the documentary, but also a limit in case the documentary is significantly delayed or never sees the light of day. Something like: "This provision is in effect until the release of the documentary or 2 years, whichever comes first." That's standard business practice.

lurker316 said:

I'm skeptical that the Netflix doc is holding up releases. I don't understand how or why documentarians would be given such control.

Even if they were given such control, wouldn't there have been an expiration clause? Not just expiring upon the release of the documentary, but also a limit in case the documentary is significantly delayed or never sees the light of day. Something like: "This provision is in effect until the release of the documentary or 2 years, whichever comes first." That's standard business practice.

The only thing I can think of, holding up any music, is that the documentary is/was tied to the releases.

A documentary on his recording processes, with *truly* unheard music, would be a great thing. But we've all heard everything (we think) from a D&P SDE.

ghostof82 said:

muleFunk said:

ghostof82 said:

I don't know why anyone would agree to a documentary series restricting the release of music. It's not as if the doc is titled "The Vault" and was just focusing on unreleased songs.

None of this made any sense. Another confusing thing is who owns unreleased material. Welcome To America was released by Sony but was Vault material. I have read that Vault Material was the property of Warner Brothers. Then WB owns all Soundtracks PR,Parade,Batman,GB. Does it own SOTT that was a movie as well?

I think it depends on if Prince bills WB for the session or not. The work orders that were used to create the data base for his recordings (at least at Sunset Sound) were sent to WB and WB paid Sunset for the studio time.

What I do not get is why are some albums that are still within the 35 year rule to revert (like COME) were released by Sony?

bozojones said:

boomshaka said:

I really hope the Netflix doc gets cancelled. The internet is lethal, and as soon as they start discussing his romantic life and meeting/low-key grooming/marriage to Mayte it's a wrap. Hopefully she is in the documentary to speak on things but I can just see it going south. We all know he was messy, but as fans we see beyond that - it's going to be difficult for others to do that and I can already see it blowing up. Hopefully that's not the case but gen z aren't exactly familiar with Prince the musician/artist and may only see him for Prince the sloppy mf who played A LOT of games with people. proceeds to listen to the majestic beauty that is The Morning Papers 😓😂 [Edited 4/20/23 8:26am] [Edited 4/20/23 8:27am]

Everyone has been glossing over Prince's flaws ever since the man passed, I don't think this documentary is gonna usher in any kind of "cancellation", nor do I think Gen Z-ers will be going out of their way to watch it, either. I mean, if Michael Jackson can still have a solid fanbase and be celebrated nowadays in spite of full-on pedophilia allegations, Prince's legacy will be fine.

You're seriously underestimating the internet. All eyes will be on this because everyone has Netflix and of course anything thats promoted well and garners word of mouth will get folks to tune in. Funny looking wigs and etc made MILLIONS tune in to Tyler Perry's Netflix film and folks were "hate watching" just to join in on the slander.

With that said, Prince will be fine as you said. There will be a good week or 2 of folks dissecting and tearing his relationship with Mayte and Anna Fantastic (who was interviewed for the doc) to shreds but hey... thats the state of the world today. That's whats gonna get folks going.

I actually think this has potential to be really good and I hope it comes out

Everyone knows about Prince Ana and Mayte at this point, even if the Netflix doc discusses them in passing, I doubt it will change the public opinion on Prince, as long as it's not the MAIN focus.

After being a true fan of over 40 years, my personal perception of Prince has never changed.

If this document is produced with the intent of bringing harm to my fandom, then they should definately can it!!!

If it comes to an actual release, then i hope the focus is much more on the constant music production rather than the alleged romance dramas.

i totally undersant that the "muse" dialog must be included, but it should not be the #1 focus.

Thanks 4 reading

Why did they even agree to that? The producers of the doc couldn't possibly have the same handle on whats in the Vault to use, let alone have exclusivity over evrything for a 6 hour series. That doesn't add up. What they might really mean is they can't release video footage, and concert material, which makes sense. The Doc can't get made properly unless the Estate is being good about knowing what materiial they have, transfering that material, and handing it over. And the Estate makes it sound like they're still discovering stuff, which in turn is going to make those producers slow down and wait for them to log everything. As someone else mentioned, it's a loop.

lavendardrummachine said: