onlyforaminute said:

I liked it. West is my favorite. East is a mystery to me it seem to go way east.

North is going south-west too.

Vannormal said:

rockford said:

N.E.W.S. is a phone-it-in project. Prince directed the band to play 4 vamps for the appropriate times. He then went back and attempted to make stuff up to fit over the top. These were not compositions at the start. This is a perfectly valid way to work, but it doesn't always yield pleasing results. IN the case of N.E.W.S. it gave us perfectly bland background music. Prince was not a jazz musician any more than he is a heavy metal musician. I'm glad you like N.E.W.S. and that it works for whatever you use it for. It's incredibly boring to musicians and sounds like something the Waether Channel would've played behind the 7 day forecast back in the day. Smooth "jazz" is lazy.

And I'm happy that you think its incredibly boring to musicians, and that it sounds like something some weather channel would've played aas background Scheiße, like a sort of lazy smooth jazz.

But i have to agree, to me this isn't ''jazz'', but rather ''Princetrumental''.

(yeah, i like that word. copyright!)

Prince fucked-up a lot of his own music, and gladly some of us (like me) like it.

I take N.E.W.S. anytime over 'Diamonds & Pearls' or '1999 The New master' or 'Lotusflower' or even ' '.

What is jazz? I think that most jazz musicians would reject the idea that jazz must be compositions and cannot include where the major artist improvises over vamps being played by their backing band.

Crossing genres often annoys some musicians but that is their problem, not the exploring artist's. I like N.E.W.S. It is the jazz version of the Hall of Fame performance of "While my guitar gently weeps" - It shows Prince's chops to people that think that pop and dance music is lazy compared to "real" rock or jazz.

Vannormal said:

rockford said:

N.E.W.S. is a phone-it-in project. Prince directed the band to play 4 vamps for the appropriate times. He then went back and attempted to make stuff up to fit over the top. These were not compositions at the start. This is a perfectly valid way to work, but it doesn't always yield pleasing results. IN the case of N.E.W.S. it gave us perfectly bland background music. Prince was not a jazz musician any more than he is a heavy metal musician. I'm glad you like N.E.W.S. and that it works for whatever you use it for. It's incredibly boring to musicians and sounds like something the Waether Channel would've played behind the 7 day forecast back in the day. Smooth "jazz" is lazy.

And I'm happy that you think its incredibly boring to musicians, and that it sounds like something some weather channel would've played aas background Scheiße, like a sort of lazy smooth jazz.

But i have to agree, to me this isn't ''jazz'', but rather ''Princetrumental''.

(yeah, i like that word. copyright!)

Prince fucked-up a lot of his own music, and gladly some of us (like me) like it.

I take N.E.W.S. anytime over 'Diamonds & Pearls' or '1999 The New master' or 'Lotusflower' or even ' '.

You'd take N.E.W.S. over Lotusflower?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

lurker316 said:

Vannormal said:

onlyforaminute said:

Vannormal said:

North is going south-west too.

All I thought of was the airline. That ain't good. I felt each song represented sections of the US. Images spring to my mind when I listen to each song, but East it felt like it went outsde the US unless I'm missing something. It's not like I truly know more than a general vibe of the lower 48 so I'm curious.

I always thought that East and West were Eastern/Western world references not just within one country.

Perhaps North and South can be seen as Northern sophistication and Southern funk, so this could be seen from a US perspective (or given the sounds at the end North as in up near the cooler artic and South nearer thr tropical heat)

[Edited 5/17/23 14:19pm]

IanRG said:

My dream set is that it never happens.

There, I said it.

onlyforaminute said:

IanRG said:

I always thought that East and West were Eastern/Western world references not just within one country.

Perhaps North and South can be seen as Northern sophistication and Southern funk, so this could be seen from a US perspective (or given the sounds at the end North as in up near the cooler Arctic and South nearer the tropical heat)

[Edited 5/17/23 14:19pm]

[/b] That's the vibe I got except I would assume more Latin sounds for South if it were more worldwide. I picture barbeques and summer vibes listening to it.

Agreed: As someone from the Southern Hemisphere we are used to those up top forgetting that going south does not ultimately mean always getting hotter.

just by looking at the artwork to N.E.W.S. it's pretty much obvious that it's a global thing.

TrivialPursuit said:

My dream set is that it never happens.

There, I said it.

Yeah we know, this is the fourth time you've told us you don't like it.

mb71 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

My dream set is that it never happens.

There, I said it.

Yeah we know, this is the fourth time you've told us you don't like it.

Perhaps if it came in brown paper wrapper with a warning label saying "May contain nuts (airbrushed out in US versions)"?

mb71 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

My dream set is that it never happens.

There, I said it.

Yeah we know, this is the fourth time you've told us you don't like it.

Really? I thought I'd gotten up to at least 6.

I gotta step up my game then. Thanks!

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Artwork for this album is shocking

Yawn

[Edited 5/18/23 17:12pm]

LOL, I wrote this post as a lark. Never expected it to get so much attention!

The idea of a Super Deluxe version of a largely forgotten toss-away instrumental album with Vault tracks like "Northeast" and ""Southwest"???!!

You guys are too much!

IanRG said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Artwork for this album is shocking

Yeah, You're not wrong. It looked cheap and awful. Par for course with indie Prince though.
The fold out cover was interesting for about a minute, but ultimately it was a pain in the arse.

[Edited 5/19/23 2:20am]

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

IanRG said:

Yawn

[Edited 5/18/23 17:12pm]

Well done on managing a brief, rather than another endlessly meandering and rambling response. A pleasant surprise.

Thanks. However, sometimes there is simply no point in explaining things to you.

TrivialPursuit said:

My dream set is that it never happens.

There, I said it.

TMI?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Artwork for this album is shocking

Mine has a Parental Advisory sticker,

Eric's blowing some big horn, a too obvious blowjob.

I like this album. Here goes how i hear and feel the first song:

"NORTH"

It forces you to sit down and shut the fuck up and close your eyes. I love the idea of this quartet+Prince (John Blackwell, Rhonda Smith, Eric Leeds & Renato Neto) in the studio. The atmophere is perfect.

John and Rhonda rippling on a kind of stream with little repetitious peaks, a sit-back-and-relax beat that could go in any direction. A funky lake's surface as the basic layer.

Unexpectedly at 1:36 Eric slides in from underneath, with a faint note full of air going into sound. I like that. The drizzle of a synth far away in the background give it some mystery.

Prince's embalishments of a dirt sounding guitar, nearly out of tune, anouncing a coming gust.

This is Erics tune. Some flute+guitar melody makes itself known around 4min, sort of a nice slow George Benson groovyness. After 4min song starts to build. 5 minutes in and Eric's fantastic bariton sax makes way. I love it when he plays the bariton sax. I love it since he played it in 'Girls & Boys.'

A funky bariton sax i always liked very much. Here a slow baet goes on with Renato's keys, coming more to the front. 6:20 and it starts to sound nice with cosy samples from what seems Clare Fisher orchestration. rince sings with his guitar, and begins to lightly squeeze it with slight squeals pushing out. Back is the Madhouse-ish melody. 8 minutes in songs goes jazz-pop-rock. The Sax & Flute short notes melody make a great tune. Simple and clear, and then goes into a nice warm and soft chaotic break, some piano interlude by Renato (or Prince?), really nice, different rhythm, as if a new songs is about to begin. 10u35, Eric's back on his alt sax, songs glides and slides, no beat. A duet between piano and sax (-sex), growing synths. 11:50 and in comes the cold wind. Synths go with Prince's super silent low-fi guitar effects, and make it all go cold. 13:00 and it starts freezing. Prince's low-key guitar effetcs dissapear into silence.

Just love that track.

Vannormal said:

I like this album. Here goes how i hear and feel the first song:

"NORTH"

It forces you to sit down and shut the fuck up and close your eyes. I love the idea of this quartet+Prince (John Blackwell, Rhonda Smith, Eric Leeds & Renato Neto) in the studio. The atmophere is perfect.

John and Rhonda rippling on a kind of stream with little repetitious peaks, a sit-back-and-relax beat that could go in any direction. A funky lake's surface as the basic layer.

Unexpectedly at 1:36 Eric slides in from underneath, with a faint note full of air going into sound. I like that. The drizzle of a synth far away in the background give it some mystery.

Prince's embalishments of a dirt sounding guitar, nearly out of tune, anouncing a coming gust.

This is Erics tune. Some flute+guitar melody makes itself known around 4min, sort of a nice slow George Benson groovyness. After 4min song starts to build. 5 minutes in and Eric's fantastic bariton sax makes way. I love it when he plays the bariton sax. I love it since he played it in 'Girls & Boys.'

A funky bariton sax i always liked very much. Here a slow baet goes on with Renato's keys, coming more to the front. 6:20 and it starts to sound nice with cosy samples from what seems Clare Fisher orchestration. rince sings with his guitar, and begins to lightly squeeze it with slight squeals pushing out. Back is the Madhouse-ish melody. 8 minutes in songs goes jazz-pop-rock. The Sax & Flute short notes melody make a great tune. Simple and clear, and then goes into a nice warm and soft chaotic break, some piano interlude by Renato (or Prince?), really nice, different rhythm, as if a new songs is about to begin. 10u35, Eric's back on his alt sax, songs glides and slides, no beat. A duet between piano and sax (-sex), growing synths. 11:50 and in comes the cold wind. Synths go with Prince's super silent low-fi guitar effects, and make it all go cold. 13:00 and it starts freezing. Prince's low-key guitar effetcs dissapear into silence.

Just love that track.

Excellent summary.

IanRG said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

IanRG said: Well done on managing a brief, rather than another endlessly meandering and rambling response. A pleasant surprise.

Thanks. However, sometimes there is simply no point in explaining things to you.

YAWN

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

IanRG said:

Thanks. However, sometimes there is simply no point in explaining things to you.

YAWN

Just as I suspected. It was never about replies to you being too long for you to follow a cogent argument, nor about your need for replies to be short - It was always about you getting upset when people don't just agree with you.

Lets just agree to end this sillyness and get back to just discussing the topic.

IanRG said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

YAWN

Just as I suspected. It was never about replies to you being too long for you to follow a cogent argument, nor about your need for replies to be short - It was always about you getting upset when people don't just agree with you.

Lets just agree to end this sillyness and get back to just discussing the topic.

when people dont agree? you are the one who replied with the immature 'yawn'.

i dont expect to, nor particularly want to, agree with you.

in short, i find little of what you say to be agreeable.

especially on NEWS.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

IanRG said:

Just as I suspected. It was never about replies to you being too long for you to follow a cogent argument, nor about your need for replies to be short - It was always about you getting upset when people don't just agree with you.

Lets just agree to end this sillyness and get back to just discussing the topic.

when people dont agree? you are the one who replied with the immature 'yawn'.

i dont expect to, nor particularly want to, agree with you.

in short, i find little of what you say to be agreeable.

especially on NEWS.

Seriously? Let's try ths again.



Yawn.

I have no intention of going round and round with you again just to explain the semantic difference between cover art being "shocking" or yawn worthy "boring". This is because, even when I don't explain things to you, you still want to go off half-cocked.

honestly, you are such a top tier, upper echelon, gold standard bore-lord, a king of unearned sanctimony.

i wish you well.

dont reply to me if you don't actually have anything to say of note.