Aside from the obvious comments about how much this absolutely blows the sluggish and overproduced GB version out of the water, I was listening this morning and was struck by how high quality the circulating version is.

WHICH leads me to wonder. When did this start circulating? I wonder what the source was for this and also what else would've been with it on a prospective cassette. Piques my interest cause, as far as I know, this is the only (?) proper Controversy-era outtake that circulates? If you wanna count Strange Way I guess you could. My guess is that the circulating source probably comes from some tape compiled around the time he was gonna redo it for GB, or whereabouts?

Anyway. Great track.

bigtallwall said:

I think around 1997/98 there was a Studio Nights box set that had this and Broken along with a variety of other random tracks from cassette sources. The rumor was that it came from a band members collection, but made its way to the bootleg market.

I assume the same person that leaked "city lights" recordings...which was easy to work out who it has to be... who was the only band member that was there from 1980-1986 but not after?

what was the time frame of Studio Nights songs (does is tend to fit the 1979-into early 87)?

lustmealways said:

Aside from the obvious comments about how much this absolutely blows the sluggish and overproduced GB version out of the water, I was listening this morning and was struck by how high quality the circulating version is.

WHICH leads me to wonder. When did this start circulating? I wonder what the source was for this and also what else would've been with it on a prospective cassette. Piques my interest cause, as far as I know, this is the only (?) proper Controversy-era outtake that circulates? If you wanna count Strange Way I guess you could. My guess is that the circulating source probably comes from some tape compiled around the time he was gonna redo it for GB, or whereabouts?

Anyway. Great track.

I LOVE the GB Version!!! However: 4 Someone who DIDN'T Sample, He SURE Sampled the F**k outta the Drum Break of "Little Miss Lover", by the Jimi Hendrix Experience (1968) on the GB Version!!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bigtallwall said:

I think around 1997/98 there was a Studio Nights box set that had this and Broken along with a variety of other random tracks from cassette sources. The rumor was that it came from a band members collection, but made its way to the bootleg market.

I assume the same person that leaked "city lights" recordings...which was easy to work out who it has to be... who was the only band member that was there from 1980-1986 but not after?

what was the time frame of Studio Nights songs (does is tend to fit the 1979-into early 87)?

There's earlier stuff too like the BoomBox demos from 1976 on Studio Nights, but yeah you're pretty nailing the source with the time frame.

I skipped "Tick Tick Bang" almost consistently. It was cheap and embarassing. At some point, I find it listenable now. But it's minimal.

I love the original IDGAF version. I know it dates different, but it sounds like it belongs with The Rebels.

similarly: i was decidedly not a fan way back in the day so i'm not familiar with what was circulating at the time v.s. what we have now other than going through old org threads and seeing what people are referencing. though i felt like i have mostly everything i want, i just now downloaded that huge work it collection to see a round up on what was out there (what was that? 2010?)

two things interested me the most: #1 there's a 15 second clip of Lust U Always that was apparently circulating, the actual song not that instrumental that may or may not me misnamed.

#2 there's an awful quality few minute clip of We Can Fuck, of which I didn't think any of the 83 tracking was circulating prior to its release on the PR deluxe.

Anyone know when that Lust U Always clip came into play?

neat!

1981 version is fire.

GB version not so much

You guys have no clue.
I used to rap the lyrics of this song as a pick up line, back in the 90's, it worked every time!

Yeh, it's dated but boy does it bring back good memories.

woogiebear said:

rockford said:

woogiebear said:

I LOVE the GB Version!!! However: 4 Someone who DIDN'T Sample, He SURE Sampled the F**k outta the Drum Break of "Little Miss Lover", by the Jimi Hendrix Experience (1968) on the GB Version!!

Let’s not forget the drums on Release It just Squib Cakes by Tower of Power.

Yes INDEED!!!!

woogiebear said:

However: 4 Someone who DIDN'T Sample

Who said that?

woogiebear said:

I LOVE the GB Version!!! However: 4 Someone who DIDN'T Sample, He SURE Sampled the F**k outta the Drum Break of "Little Miss Lover", by the Jimi Hendrix Experience (1968) on the GB Version!!

Um... Prince didn't sample?

Madhouse's second album is rife with Godfather samples.

"7," "Right Back Here In My Arms," "Mr. Happy," "Style," "Sleep Around*," "Billy Jack Bitch," "Thieves In The Temple," and "Release It*" all contain samples.

* "Release It" borrows heavily from "Squib Cakes" by Tower of Power, which is also sampled on "Sleep Around."

TrivialPursuit said:

Madhouse's second album is rife with Godfather samples.

"7," "Right Back Here In My Arms," "Mr. Happy," "Style," "Sleep Around*," "Billy Jack Bitch," "Thieves In The Temple," and "Release It*" all contain samples.

I personally wouldn't count those Poet99 samples (regarding Right Back Here...) since this is (almost) Prince sampling himself, which I also wouldn't include in a list like this. Technically of course that's also sampling.

Songs I'd definitely add to this list, off the top of my head: Gett Off, Housequake, U Know, Walk Don't Walk, Thieves In The Temple, Space, Pope, The Sacrifice Of Victor, My Computer, Thunder, Blue Light, the entire Batman album and many more.

McGee said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Madhouse's second album is rife with Godfather samples.

"7," "Right Back Here In My Arms," "Mr. Happy," "Style," "Sleep Around*," "Billy Jack Bitch," "Thieves In The Temple," and "Release It*" all contain samples.

I personally wouldn't count those Poet99 samples (regarding Right Back Here...) since this is (almost) Prince sampling himself, which I also wouldn't include in a list like this. Technically of course that's also sampling.

Songs I'd definitely add to this list, off the top of my head: Gett Off, Housequake, U Know, Walk Don't Walk, Thieves In The Temple, Space, Pope, The Sacrifice Of Victor, My Computer, Thunder, Blue Light, the entire Batman album and many more.

I purposely didn't list when he sampled himself because he has a right to re-use his own music. ("Three Shots" sorta fits that, I guess.) Hell, we'd be damn near listing those EPs like New Power Generation, Gett Off, Cream. But yeah, has a ton of samples on it. Eric B. and Rakim, N.W.A., The Headhunters, plus the famous "Tramp" sample in "7."

psyche2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I assume the same person that leaked "city lights" recordings...which was easy to work out who it has to be... who was the only band member that was there from 1980-1986 but not after?

what was the time frame of Studio Nights songs (does is tend to fit the 1979-into early 87)?

There's earlier stuff too like the BoomBox demos from 1976 on Studio Nights, but yeah you're pretty nailing the source with the time frame.

didn't Bobby work for Owen Husney? Sp that would give him access to thoes tapes as well. But unlike the concert tapes your point that Bobby was there for ALL of the recordings....

TrivialPursuit said:

woogiebear said:

I LOVE the GB Version!!! However: 4 Someone who DIDN'T Sample, He SURE Sampled the F**k outta the Drum Break of "Little Miss Lover", by the Jimi Hendrix Experience (1968) on the GB Version!!

Um... Prince didn't sample?

Madhouse's second album is rife with Godfather samples.

"7," "Right Back Here In My Arms," "Mr. Happy," "Style," "Sleep Around*," "Billy Jack Bitch," "Thieves In The Temple," and "Release It*" all contain samples.

* "Release It" borrows heavily from "Squib Cakes" by Tower of Power, which is also sampled on "Sleep Around."

yeah, he did sample several times...if not flat out just take elements from others. (like the drums for "When Doves Cry").

he also seemed to have bullied people out of songs ("Slow Love" and "Soul Sanctuary" were both credited to Prince but they seem to be very much the same songs)