I mean, if anyone is spoiled, it's folks like Londell and Spicer who get paid to fuck around and act petty online instead of having any open and honest communication with fans who are understandably worried about the state of affairs. There's a stark difference between the posthumous releases we received before their involvement and the releases (or lack thereof) after they got involved.

There will always be fans who complain no matter what is released, but the vast majority really aren't asking for much. Just a functioning estate who actually gives us something instead of leaving everyone in the dark and empty-handed.

I've given up.I no longer expect the estate to do the right thing.It is what it is,folks.I'll just continue to enjoy all the Prince music that is available (along with the bootlegs).It's a shame but there really isn't anything we,as fans,can do.

SoulAlive said:

I've given up. I no longer expect the estate to do the right thing. It is what it is, folks. I'll just continue to enjoy all the Prince music that is available (along with the bootlegs). It's a shame but there really isn't anything we, as fans, can do.

I kind of agree. I also agree about the Londell & Charles statement made by bozojones. We had every word from folks that D&P deluxe and Parade deluxe were ready to go. Then - nothing. Just happens around the time they show up. Now it's just two remasters?? (That we know about.)

I low-key hope for more leaks, given the track record (like the "Willing and Able" mixes that I still haven't found). Anything is better than nothing, even if it's an unauthorized release.

paisleyparkgirl said:

GustavoRibas said:

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- Well, compared to other fans, we are. Some fans wait like 10 years for a song or two. But part of the fun of being a Prince fan is to know he released so much music and we should dig the treasure.

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Yes, there are many outtakes out there, but I believe some things are very well locked. I never had one single outtake of any of the Welcome 2 America songs, for example. And I dont believe there is only ´junk´ left. Most artists that worked with Prince say that they recorded many things that werent released. And I am curious to listen to anything he recorded with the 90s NPG, for example. Not to mention live concerts, jams, etc

I'd like to hear the psychedelic rock he claimed he worked on with Lenny Kravitz.

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- Yes! There are so many interesting things. I assume at least half Prince fans dont care about jams, etc, but I do. I would love to listen to some instrumental recordings like Madhouse, for example.

GustavoRibas said:

2freaky said:

Let's be honest, we have everything we need. All the bombs are out. The boot songs are easily available. There can only be junk left. Yea, a pristine version of skoolyard, big deal. We have all the main jams: Cosmic Day, Large Room, Wally, jeez, that piano album kills everyting. We are so lucky and so spoiled. Be thankful you purple sickos. hehe. Love ya.

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- Well, compared to other fans, we are. Some fans wait like 10 years for a song or two. But part of the fun of being a Prince fan is to know he released so much music and we should dig the treasure.

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Yes, there are many outtakes out there, but I believe some things are very well locked. I never had one single outtake of any of the Welcome 2 America songs, for example. And I dont believe there is only ´junk´ left. Most artists that worked with Prince say that they recorded many things that werent released. And I am curious to listen to anything he recorded with the 90s NPG, for example. Not to mention live concerts, jams, etc

Same - never heard most of W2A, and after Prince died the Deliverance EP took me by surprise (I know it was cobbled together posthumously, but those songs still began their life as valid Prince songs). Sames goes for the studio version of Electric Intercourse (although I prefer the live version) and a lot of the Prince-vocal versions on Originals.

I'm thankful to have heard a lot of unreleased songs, some seem better off as legends (Wally, 17 Days Extended). Do I need to hear a version of WDC with bass?

I've read/heard about another 3EG album that's ready (meh), and some stuff with Lenny Kravitz (sounds cool) and an unreleased Time album (interesting).

But I doubt we're going to get dozens of whole albums unless they're compilations.

What I'm itching for are live recordings. Did he really tape every gig he performed as often has been said? ... I can figure the later period of his career is better documented in the vault, but sure there have to be some serious gaps.

psyche2 said:

FrankieCoco1 said:

psyche2 said:

What I'm itching for are live recordings. Did he really tape every gig he performed as often has been said? ... I can figure the later period of his career is better documented in the vault, but sure there have to be some serious gaps.

Brenda Bennett and Morris Day have said they did the videoing of shows, and there have been plenty of reports that shows were taped and listened and/or watched back. In the 80s though, we’re the tapes just re-used/recorded over - May be something to ask Morris during his panel appearance at celebration!

I got the impression that he was recording most of his shows not with any intention to released them, but simply so that he and the band could watch and critique their own performances. Kind of like NFL players watching game film to see what they were doing right and what they were doing wrong. If that's the case (that they were merely intended for short-term appraisals), then there's a good chance they weren't preserved and may have been taped over.

Most likely that's the case for early video recordings, their main purpose was just to review the performance, so I can imagine lots were re-recorded over or just ditched. Hopefully that changed over the years and some keeps preserved. But I'm more concerned about *audio* recordings. In theory that should have been easier to record to DAT or even cassette tapes and keep for posterity.

psyche2 said:

I admit it, we are spoiled. Prince supplied a lifetime of music (maybe two lifetimes?) not to mention the surprise performances he has done throughout the years.

psyche2 said:

What I'm itching for are live recordings. Did he really tape every gig he performed as often has been said? ... I can figure the later period of his career is better documented in the vault, but sure there have to be some serious gaps.

Time will tell how much is "legend" and how much is "fact".

How many unreleased tracks are in the Vault? Was every single concert recorded in soundboard quality? Did every single song have a corresponding video (granted, he did make a lot of low-rent Paisley Park videos).

A second 3EG album? An finished rock-oriented Time album? The list goes on.

Hopefully . . . all true!

Ndorphinmachina said:

There is unquestionably enough in the vault that could be labelled as "of interest". Are there hit singles? Probably not, although it's not impossible. It all depends who's listening of course. But that live in the studio version of International Lover. It's incredible. If that kind of thing exists for more songs. It's what I want. Anything he's done with other artists is going to be interesting. Just to see what they came up with since it was quite rare for him to work with other artists outside of his own bubble. Did he ever actually re-record his back catalog? While it wouldn't be my first choice for the next release, I can't say I'm not curious to hear what he did (if he did). As far as live videos and audio I wouldn't hold my breath for anything pre-digital. It was likely overwritten or dumped. However from the late 90s onwards he probably took more care. It's also around this time that the outtakes began to dry up as he started to plug the leaks. While the top tier songs were fewer they were still there. In the past 6 years there has been a lot of songs released. Certainly more than one album a year (if you break the SDE's into discs). We're not doing too bad. Obviously going forward the estate is going to need to step things up considerably otherwise we'll all be dead before we hear the majority of what's in the vault.

I actually wondered this too. I remember reading/hearing something about this in the late 90s, but it never materiaized.

It would have been an interesting way to circumvent some of WB's ownership of his material, or to start a whole new stream of income. . . but then might have also seriously backfired.

If Purple Medley was any indication -- and I love that EP for what it is -- then it's probably best that we didn't get re-recorded versions to muddy the waters. I doubt the re-recordings would have received airplay over the originals.

Interesting that Taylor Swift recently starting doing that very same thing - releasing a clearly-marked "Taylor's Version" of her back catalog - and I think her fanbase is fully supportive of it. I will say, from what I've heard on the radio, her re-recordings are pretty faithful to the originals.

paisleyparkgirl said:

We still don't have a pristine version of Lust u Always.

This aged quicker than I could have imagined.

VasChristian said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

We still don't have a pristine version of Lust u Always.

This aged quicker than I could have imagined.

Did I miss something? Did this song leak in better quality recently?

bozojones said:

VasChristian said:

This aged quicker than I could have imagined.

Did I miss something? Did this song leak in better quality recently?

Yes

There were dozens of songs released on PR:SDE, 1999:SDE and SOTT:SDE that I honestly had never heard before (even throughout various BFTP or other compilation boots).

Then W2A came out, and (hit or miss) I really enjoy that album as well.

I have no doubt that there are at least a handful of albums' worth of material that I haven't heard yet --- I just don't buy into the "1 album a year for 100 years" claim for the Vault. I feel like we are at least close to the finish line on that, relatively speaking.

Se7en said:

There were dozens of songs released on PR:SDE, 1999:SDE and SOTT:SDE that I honestly had never heard before (even throughout various BFTP or other compilation boots).

Then W2A came out, and (hit or miss) I really enjoy that album as well.

I have no doubt that there are at least a handful of albums' worth of material that I haven't heard yet --- I just don't buy into the "1 album a year for 100 years" claim for the Vault. I feel like we are at least close to the finish line on that, relatively speaking.

Yeah, I think the only way we could get close to 100 years worth of albums is if every release was around 40 minutes long like the old days. And even then, most of the releases would need alternate versions of previously released songs, or demos to pad out runtime. There's no way that there are 100 albums worth of unique previously unreleased tracks in the vault.

bozojones said:

Se7en said:

There were dozens of songs released on PR:SDE, 1999:SDE and SOTT:SDE that I honestly had never heard before (even throughout various BFTP or other compilation boots).

Then W2A came out, and (hit or miss) I really enjoy that album as well.

I have no doubt that there are at least a handful of albums' worth of material that I haven't heard yet --- I just don't buy into the "1 album a year for 100 years" claim for the Vault. I feel like we are at least close to the finish line on that, relatively speaking.

Yeah, I think the only way we could get close to 100 years worth of albums is if every release was around 40 minutes long like the old days. And even then, most of the releases would need alternate versions of previously released songs, or demos to pad out runtime. There's no way that there are 100 albums worth of unique previously unreleased tracks in the vault.

I don't know. He proabbly recorded hours of instrumental jams in a day with unheard material that could easily fit on a cd or vinyl. Of course those aren't real "songs" but N.E.W.S. is also a album and it doesn't matter if it's 40 minutes or 200 minutes, a album is still a album no matter how long. So I think it could easily be possible for someone as prolific as Prince.

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bozojones said:

Se7en said:

There were dozens of songs released on PR:SDE, 1999:SDE and SOTT:SDE that I honestly had never heard before (even throughout various BFTP or other compilation boots).

Then W2A came out, and (hit or miss) I really enjoy that album as well.

I have no doubt that there are at least a handful of albums' worth of material that I haven't heard yet --- I just don't buy into the "1 album a year for 100 years" claim for the Vault. I feel like we are at least close to the finish line on that, relatively speaking.

Yeah, I think the only way we could get close to 100 years worth of albums is if every release was around 40 minutes long like the old days. And even then, most of the releases would need alternate versions of previously released songs, or demos to pad out runtime. There's no way that there are 100 albums worth of unique previously unreleased tracks in the vault.

Paul Simon's excellent new albums runs to 33 minutes.

paisleyparkgirl said:

We still don't have a pristine version of Lust u Always.

Same with Extraloveable & Scarlet Red