DotsofU said:

FunkJam said:

DotsofU said:

Just because someone doesn't want the raps doesn't make them a hater

Good grief - someone has a different point of view and they are a hater...

Maybe since we already have the rap versions, some of us want to have the option to not have them

Jesus christ already with the hater nonsense

The wording of your first post is rather odd if you really weren't hating.

My point too, really, but--heh--applying diplomacy.

FunkJam said:

DotsofU said:

Just because someone doesn't want the raps doesn't make them a hater

Good grief - someone has a different point of view and they are a hater...

Maybe since we already have the rap versions, some of us want to have the option to not have them

Jesus christ already with the hater nonsense

The wording of your first post is rather odd if you really weren't hating.

The wording of his first post simply said he hopes there's a non-rap version. That's hardly hating. There was no vitriol.

lurker316 said:

FunkJam said:

DotsofU said: The wording of your first post is rather odd if you really weren't hating.

The wording of his first post simply said he hopes there's a non-rap version. That's hardly hating. There was no vitriol.

"Sweet baby Jesus" was exclaimed--like hearing that rap-less version would send one to Kingdom

Come

these don't exist

lustmealways said:

these don't exist

my opinion too, cause i can't seem to find them anywhere

MissGrace said:

Four different 'Willing & Able' mixes have surfaced. The Extended version is very similar to the video version, with longer intro and longer ending.

so where did you hear these?

you don't have to tell us 'here'...

and how long is the extended version?

and what about the other three? any more details?

cause saying there are four mixes surfaced, and no other details or more answeres to posts here makes me believe it is not true

Germanegro said:

lurker316 said:

The wording of his first post simply said he hopes there's a non-rap version. That's hardly hating. There was no vitriol.

"Sweet baby Jesus" was exclaimed--like hearing that rap-less version would send one to Kingdom

Come

Yes, but that's not hating.

Saying "I would absolutely love such-and-such," does not mean "I despise the alternative".

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lurker316, that's cool, but I also present my own interpretation of the language that was used. You have yours, sensibly reasoned, yet still leaving room for other ideas.

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This would probably best be affirmed by DotsofU to comment further and self-defend, if that's important to DotsofU. lurker316, you're only interjecting.

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Secondly--I didn't direct my comment to anyone specific. People have declared their hate of the Tony M. rap clearly, even if not so much in this thread. So haters gonna hate. As a statement this stands, but if you don't like reading the statemment, I get it. It appears to me that DotsofU could either be particularly sensitive in general to anyone declaring hate, or else has a guilty conscience toward the matter to be so forward as to respond to what I wrote here.

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OK--lurk on!

Germanegro said:

lurker316, that's cool, but I also present my own interpretation of the language that was used. You have yours, sensibly reasoned, yet still leaving room for other ideas.

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This would probably best be affirmed by DotsofU to comment further and self-defend, if that's important to DotsofU. lurker316, you're only interjecting.

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Secondly--I didn't direct my comment to anyone specific. People have declared their hate of the Tony M. rap clearly, even if not so much in this thread. So haters gonna hate. As a statement this stands, but if you don't like reading the statemment, I get it. It appears to me that DotsofU could either be particularly sensitive in general to anyone declaring hate, or else has a guilty conscience toward the matter to be so forward as to respond to what I wrote here.

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OK--lurk on!

I'm interpretting his words at face value (i.e. he would be overjoyed with a rapless version).

In contrast, you're adding ideas to his words that he didn't explicitly state (i.e. he hates rap). In other words, your putting words into his mouth. That's neither fair nor reasonable. That's a strawman argument. By the rules of logic and debate, your position is invalid.

Is it possible he hates rap? Sure. I allow for that possiblity. But you can't assert that based on what he wrote. It would have been reasonable to ask him if he hated rap. But it was not reasonable to characterize his words as a de facto expression of hatred for rap.

"I'd be overjoyed with a hamburger without tomato." Does that mean I hate tomato? Possibly. But it could be that I generally love tomatoes, just not on my burger... Or that I typically don't mind tomatoes on my burers, but I don't think the particular variety of tomato you serve pairs well with charred beef. So while my declaration may raise the possibility that I hate tomatoes, in and of itself, it is not an expression of hatred. You'd need more information before you accuse me of being a hater.

kindofblue said:

The video is one of my all-time-favourites. The Steeles are killing it, too.

I always dreamt that this was a longer live-in-the-studio recording session with more songs (see The Undertaker) - and one day we get to see it all!

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- Me too. I love that band (my fave) and I always loved when Prince went more into the "organic" type of production.

let's not forget that no one has heard these supposed 4 mixes of willing and able as originally mentioned

lurker316 said:

Germanegro said:

lurker316, that's cool, but I also present my own interpretation of the language that was used. You have yours, sensibly reasoned, yet still leaving room for other ideas.

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This would probably best be affirmed by DotsofU to comment further and self-defend, if that's important to DotsofU. lurker316, you're only interjecting.

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Secondly--I didn't direct my comment to anyone specific. People have declared their hate of the Tony M. rap clearly, even if not so much in this thread. So haters gonna hate. As a statement this stands, but if you don't like reading the statemment, I get it. It appears to me that DotsofU could either be particularly sensitive in general to anyone declaring hate, or else has a guilty conscience toward the matter to be so forward as to respond to what I wrote here.

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OK--lurk on!

I'm interpretting his words at face value (i.e. he would be overjoyed with a rapless version).

In contrast, you're adding ideas to his words that he didn't explicitly state (i.e. he hates rap). In other words, your putting words into his mouth. That's neither fair nor reasonable. That's a strawman argument. By the rules of logic and debate, your position is invalid.

Is it possible he hates rap? Sure. I allow for that possiblity. But you can't assert that based on what he wrote. It would have been reasonable to ask him if he hated rap. But it was not reasonable to characterize his words as a de facto expression of hatred for rap.

"I'd be overjoyed with a hamburger without tomato." Does that mean I hate tomato? Possibly. But it could be that I generally love tomatoes, just not on my burger... Or that I typically don't mind tomatoes on my burers, but I don't think the particular variety of tomato you serve pairs well with charred beef. So while my declaration may raise the possibility that I hate tomatoes, in and of itself, it is not an expression of hatred. You'd need more information before you accuse me of being a hater.

So, here is the thing...

even if I don't like the rapping - it doesn't make me a hater!

I'm not on here bashing anything ...

I'm still on the Org, loving Prince, and following topics

I was just really excited about the potential of hearing these songs with the raps out

But even if I did hate the rapping - am I supposed to love every single thing that he did without question?

I mean - is this a Prince forum or a Trump forum?

I think its great that people like the raps - good for them

Personally, I never thought they fit the songs that well,

To me they are clunky and it seemed like he just tacked them on to the end of the songs just to have rap on his records

And they don't sound like the sensitive, insightful, poetic Prince lyrics that I love the most

So shoot me!

Can we stay on the damn TOPIC, please ?!

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If people hate, ignore them.

Let them fade out in indifference.

Nothing stronger than that instead of feeding them with attention or help.

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Still NO information or answer on the four remixes.

Do these mixes excist ?

And what are the time lenghts ?

What are the differences ?

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If you don't want to answer... OK.

Then, OP, please just close this topic.

Well, MissGrace has posted 11 times in 5 years, so expect an answer in 6 months.

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More seriously, nobody knows anything about those four mixes in any of the forums/groups I read.

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The charitable interpretation is that MissGrace has access to recordings that are not widely circulating. In that case, no, they haven't "surfaced", but it would still be interesting to get more details about those mixes.

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The not-charitable interpretation is that MissGrace is "trolling". I hope that's not the case.

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In any case, after 6 days, MissGrace doesn't seem very interested in posting more details, so, yes, this thread should probably be locked.

If you have the inclination, you can make a cut from right around 3:52 to 4:56 and cleanly eliminate the rap. This will remove some cool moments from the ending, but it seems the most slick edit to me.

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