LoveGalore said:

leecaldon said:

The first real big name headline performance was MJ in 1993, and Prince was definitely falling away from the mainstream in the following years.

If that's the case and it was his lack of mainstream appeal, how do you explain the rest of the 90s and most of the 00s headliners? This concept that the Super Bowl had the most relevant artists of the time is just not accurate whatsoever.

Looking through the 90s headliners, it's a combination of either legends (which Prince wasn't yet) and/or multiple acts (and Prince was not yet at the stage in his career where he was comfortable sharing the stage).

TrivialPursuit said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

Cream, Diamonds and Pearl, The Most Beautiful Girl, Get off were all hits at least in the early 90's. He lost his commercial appeal by the mid-90's with the WB situation.

He tried to make a come back with the Rave album but it didn't work out.

You literally contradict yourself for the sake of making a comment.

There is no need for this.

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TrivialPursuit said:

I watched Prince's performance yesterday. I'd really not looked at it in a minute.

It really was amazing. "Let's Go Crazy" felt a little stunted for some reason. The humidity, the smoke not clearing quickly. It felt muddy, but then it goes onto other stuff which is great. He really packed a lot of songs in there.

I watched it the other day for the first time in a while too and what struck me the most was Best Of You. Him and Shelby killed it

Vannormal said:

There is no need for this.

Tell it to her face.

Spoof, Proof & Legend

I don't think Prince could've done a more jovial promo earlier in his career.

It was timed just right

Press Conference?

Hohner rules over all other Princely guitars!

TrivialPursuit said:

Vannormal said:

There is no need for this.

Tell it to her face.

And this is why I always said that the issues in P&R (outside of OF4$ and his rotating team of cronies) were always present in PMM. There is no trolling, it is a reasoable question and it has sparked (mostly) good discussion.

IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Tell it to her face.

And this is why I always said that the issues in P&R (outside of OF4$ and his rotating team of cronies) were always present in PMM. There is no trolling, it is a reasoable question and it has sparked (mostly) good discussion.

I don't know why they think I'm trolling. I'm a relatively new fan (2015) compared to a lot of you, it's normal to have doubts and questions.

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot. The only thing that makes sense in doing it is promtion. I heard, The Weeknds downloads went up 400% after his performance.

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot. The only thing that makes sense in doing it is promtion. I heard, The Weeknds downloads went up 400% after his performance.

A lot of younger fans got into Prince after his Superbowl performance.

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot.

This is correct.

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot. The only thing that makes sense in doing it is promtion. I heard, The Weeknds downloads went up 400% after his performance.

It gasses up their respective stanbases, too. Rejuvinates the cults.

Everyone's gotta argue that their respective gyro of choice is the unparalled Superbowl GOAT. Even the Rihanna stans are like yah, she slayed it, when she's lowering the mic mid-lipsync and standing like she's an exhibit in a wax museum. Prince fans willfully ignore his wildly out of tune guitar during "Purple Rain", MJlipsync, etc.

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot. The only thing that makes sense in doing it is promtion. I heard, The Weeknds downloads went up 400% after his performance.

It is still a net gain for the performers. Many promo performances are at the artist's or record company's expense.

IanRG said:

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know if this has been mentioned already. Pardon if it has. I only just learned the performers themselves don't get paid for the halftime shows. The NFL only pays for the staging and whatnot. The only thing that makes sense in doing it is promtion. I heard, The Weeknds downloads went up 400% after his performance.

It is still a net gain for the performers. Many promo performances are at the artist's or record company's expense.

Yeah, folks streaming and sales go up almost as much as when an artist dies. There's a video about "Why Rihanna didn't get paid for the Super Bowl halftime show." I thought, "Well, the same reason no one else has either."

Prince kinda low-key made out w/ that stage, tho. Get the NFL to build it, pay for it and head on out. haha

IanRG said:

I get it. It obviously does a lot especially in today's world. You literally have a worldwide mini concert you (the performer) don't have to pay for and the benefits are astronomical.

That may not have been true a couple of decades ago. I don't know that but given the technology I think there's a difference.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

At this point in Rihanna's career she could walk across the stage and wave, downloads would explode. But given she probably hasn't been working as much for a while and will be out for awhile again, this probably made up for all that down time.

paisleyparkgirl said:

How are you quantifying that? Guess? Personal experience with your peers?

LoveGalore said:

AI tracks everything.

onlyforaminute said:

Point me to the AI tracking the age demographics of SB2007's halftime show and it's correlation to any sales/streaming data. I'm sure PPG has it at the ready, for what good would the statement be if not based on truth?

LoveGalore said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

A lot of younger fans got into Prince after his Superbowl performance.

How are you quantifying that? Guess? Personal experience with your peers?

Polls.

paisleyparkgirl said:

I got your poll.

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

It is still a net gain for the performers. Many promo performances are at the artist's or record company's expense.

Yeah, folks streaming and sales go up almost as much as when an artist dies. There's a video about "Why Rihanna didn't get paid for the Super Bowl halftime show." I thought, "Well, the same reason no one else has either."

Prince kinda low-key made out w/ that stage, tho. Get the NFL to build it, pay for it and head on out. haha

It needs to be a good performance - It did Janet Jackson's career no favours.

Fox and others tried to make Prince's performance controversial, but quality outshined media's love of promoting cancelling criticism.

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LoveGalore said:

paisleyparkgirl said:

A lot of younger fans got into Prince after his Superbowl performance.

How are you quantifying that? Guess? Personal experience with your peers?

Just search Prince reactions on YouTube. It's 40% super bowl, 40% rawk & roll hall of fame, and 20% Chapelle Show pancake sketch fans hoping to find more lulz in the "When Doves Cry" or "Little Red Corvette" videos.

scs2000 said:

I don't believe halftimes of the Super Bowls were big events until after Michael Jackson's halftime show, I think '93 Super Bowl. I may be wrong but that's how I remember it.

I also rememebr the halftime show having some interesting pairings of acts too.

You hit it right on the head. Up until '93, the halftime show was mostly marching bands and crap like that. Even after MJ, there were still some head-scratchers on the list (um, Blues Brotehrs anyone??) It really wasn't until 2005 with McCartney where the halftime show became a headline act for a single artist. McCartney was followed up by the Rolling Stones and Prince - not bad company to keep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_halftime_shows

dave1dmarx said:

scs2000 said:

I don't believe halftimes of the Super Bowls were big events until after Michael Jackson's halftime show, I think '93 Super Bowl. I may be wrong but that's how I remember it.

I also rememebr the halftime show having some interesting pairings of acts too.

You hit it right on the head. Up until '93, the halftime show was mostly marching bands and crap like that. Even after MJ, there were still some head-scratchers on the list (um, Blues Brotehrs anyone??) It really wasn't until 2005 with McCartney where the halftime show became a headline act for a single artist. McCartney was followed up by the Rolling Stones and Prince - not bad company to keep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_halftime_shows

I would go as far as saying that the Superbowl halftime show became a "thing" after the Janet Jackson nipple incident.

paisleyparkgirl said:

dave1dmarx said:

You hit it right on the head. Up until '93, the halftime show was mostly marching bands and crap like that. Even after MJ, there were still some head-scratchers on the list (um, Blues Brotehrs anyone??) It really wasn't until 2005 with McCartney where the halftime show became a headline act for a single artist. McCartney was followed up by the Rolling Stones and Prince - not bad company to keep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_halftime_shows

I would go as far as saying that the Superbowl halftime show became a "thing" after the Janet Jackson nipple incident.

But in the wrong way - There are some people who love a failure or a controversy.

Like those who love it when the performer stuffs up the national anthem.

In Australia the two most talked about halftime performances for our domestic football finals are Guns 'n Roses when the power went out and Meatloaf when he was too sick to perform.

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