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Reply #30 posted 02/11/23 2:46pm

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eduJ said:

I always felt like the fashion during PR wasn't all that inspired actually. Not that different from Sgt Pepper's, Paul Revere & the Raiders, Adam Ant, and other new romantics before. Now Sheila's Romance 1600 attire and art direction was a definite nod/play on Amadeus. I think she even said as much in some interview.


Yeah, I'd agree with that. He already had some of the ruffles and lace in his clothing, but it took hold with Sheila's attire for that album. And actually, The Family had a modern Mozart approach with their look: silk, satin, luxury, wealth, etc.

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Reply #31 posted 02/11/23 2:56pm

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https://youtu.be/514dDskbh38

Marie France talks about the Purple Rain costume designs in this clip…no mention of the film Mozart, and haven’t found any link.
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Reply #32 posted 02/11/23 3:30pm

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eduJ said:

I always felt like the fashion during PR wasn't all that inspired actually. Not that different from Sgt Pepper's, Paul Revere & the Raiders, Adam Ant, and other new romantics before. Now Sheila's Romance 1600 attire and art direction was a definite nod/play on Amadeus. I think she even said as much in some interview.



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Reply #33 posted 02/11/23 4:12pm

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https://youtu.be/514dDskbh38 Marie France talks about the Purple Rain costume designs in this clip…no mention of the film Mozart, and haven’t found any link.


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Reply #34 posted 02/12/23 1:54am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

im sure theres plenty of other music biopics prince saw before amadeus.




Like what?


The elvis film by John carpenter
Maybe stuff like the music lovers about Tchaikovsky
Tbh if anyone did a prince biopic i think Ken Russell could have been a good choice
Shame they didnt do a music video together
Both sex fixated, determined to not be like anyone else, both music obsessed
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https://ew.com/article/20...e-passion/
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Reply #35 posted 02/12/23 10:07am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

LoveGalore said:



Like what?


The elvis film by John carpenter
Maybe stuff like the music lovers about Tchaikovsky
Tbh if anyone did a prince biopic i think Ken Russell could have been a good choice
Shame they didnt do a music video together
Both sex fixated, determined to not be like anyone else, both music obsessed
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https://ew.com/article/20...e-passion/
[Edited 2/12/23 1:56am]


Other than something like that Beatles movie/documentary thing they did, I think Purple Rain pretty much set the standard on dramatized biopics (which you could realistic consider purple rain to be given it directly mirrors actual events/scenarios despite being a work of fiction). Kinda like how the Queen movie takes huge leaps of creative adjustment to the factual events.

Prince had a pretty toxic and abusive relationship with Vanity, Andre and Dez had just left the band (one for directly creative reasons, the other on principle). Flyte Tyme and Grand Central participated in battle of the bands, which is a consistent theme in Prince's music. Prince did create a girl group, did have a rivalry with Rick James, did see massive success when he collaborated with his peers that more than rivaled that of his solo efforts (another consistent theme in his career).

Anyway, my point is that Prince doesn't get enough credit for Purple Rain because we've seen a thousand permutations of the same recipe since. Like in the interview linked above where Marie France confesses that she didn't really go in to change Prince's look but just spice it up a little, Prince had some original ideas that people would exploit - sometimes in collaboration with him, sometimes in mimicry.

Prince wasn't influenced by Amadeus because Prince was already doing that when Amadeus was filmed. If anything, the Amadeus team should be quizzed on whether they were inspired to make the film in part because of Prince. Especially considering he would go on to be referred to as Modern Day Mozart.

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Reply #36 posted 02/12/23 2:51pm

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Like in the link below, the director/editor/co-writer Albert Magnoli gave several interviews in 2019, the 35th anniversary of Purple Rain, about the making of the film. What strikes me is how he collaborated with Prince and drew out the story of the Minneapolis sound/scene, making it authentic, which contributed to its success. It is Prince. Obviously there is some dramatic license, but Prince carried it off and Prince deserves immense credit for it.

https://variety.com/2019/...74953/amp/

This is a good watch too:

https://youtu.be/IcKBXBS9cUU
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Reply #37 posted 02/13/23 6:15am

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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn´t Prince that mentioned that part in the movie where they asked Mozart to play less notes as an example of how executives should leave artists alone to create?

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Reply #38 posted 02/19/23 8:55am

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It was such a powerful movie (and play).

The brash, young musical genius with all the arrogance of knowing he was the best in the world.

Plus all the ruffle-ly Edwardian suits and towering powdered hairdos.

Do you think it had any impact on Prince right around he was putting together PURPLE RAIN??

Amadeus is also a work of historical fiction. Mozart's real life had little to nothing to do with that movie/play. It was entertaining, though.

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Reply #39 posted 02/21/23 11:01am

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LoveGalore said:

Genesia said:



funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


im sure theres plenty of other music biopics prince saw before amadeus.





Amadeus wasn't a biopic. lol



Yeah it is.

It's not an autobiography.

No, it isn’t. It’s a work of fiction. Barely anything in that film was true.
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Reply #40 posted 02/22/23 6:37am

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rockford said:

LoveGalore said:



Yeah it is.

It's not an autobiography.

No, it isn’t. It’s a work of fiction. Barely anything in that film was true.


Argue with the rest of the world who calls it a biopic. Argue with the filmmakers.
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Reply #41 posted 02/22/23 8:21am

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LoveGalore said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

. Some days I feel like the org bends over backwards to prove Prince ain't shit. But he really was.

Racism yeah i've said it.

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Reply #42 posted 02/25/23 3:31am

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im not trying to say prince didnt do anything important or influential.

i just dont think PR was the first music biopic!

i mean, seriously, you dont think prince saw or knew about (if he didnt actually see) lady sings the blues? or elvis which was in 1979? or funny girl? or more likely, a star is born, the 70s version, which isnt about an actual artist, but is basically a classic rise-of-a-musician story.

prince def made one of the most succesful music biopics, but was he the first? nope. was it even one of the best? idk.

either way, im sure prince knew plenty of music movies, he knew and liked the idolmaker, which his own bandmates have said.

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Reply #43 posted 02/25/23 12:59pm

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im not trying to say prince didnt do anything important or influential.

i just dont think PR was the first music biopic!

i mean, seriously, you dont think prince saw or knew about (if he didnt actually see) lady sings the blues? or elvis which was in 1979? or funny girl? or more likely, a star is born, the 70s version, which isnt about an actual artist, but is basically a classic rise-of-a-musician story.

prince def made one of the most succesful music biopics, but was he the first? nope. was it even one of the best? idk.

either way, im sure prince knew plenty of music movies, he knew and liked the idolmaker, which his own bandmates have said.


I think most of us understand that there were music biopics before PR.

Also that Amadeus is based on a fictional 1979 play that in turn was inspired by an 1830s play by Pushkin and an 1897 opera that were inspired by rumours of a rivalry between Mozart and Salieri that all include the almost certainly false myth that Salieri poisoned Mozart. Hence it is a biopic despite the fact that is is mostly fiction. In the same way that "300" is still a historical action film even though it is based on a Miller comic series, not the actual history of the Battle of Thermopylae.

Now most biopics and historical action films must have a degree of fictionalisation and differing levels of "artistic licence", so none are completely true. Also, many fictional stories draw on actual events and influences on the author. This does not mean they are biopics. PR, unlike Amadeus, is not a biopic. It is Prince playing a fictional character that he wrote and portrayed as a different person from himself that merely draws on his past and influences.

On the OP's question. No PR was not influenced by Amadeus because Prince cannot have seen it before he started making PR even if they started filming Amadeus before PR started filming.

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Reply #44 posted 02/26/23 12:51am

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youre right, i mean in many ways, PR is more like the films elvis made like blue hawaii or jailhouse rock.

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Reply #45 posted 02/27/23 2:59pm

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Given how silly and frivolous that guy was in the movie I can see why Prince wasn't fully flattered.
That guy died broke and was thrown into a mass grave. Yeah I don't see that being charming to a 20-something year old.
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Reply #46 posted 03/02/23 7:00am

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onlyforaminute said:

Given how silly and frivolous that guy was in the movie I can see why Prince wasn't fully flattered. That guy died broke and was thrown into a mass grave. Yeah I don't see that being charming to a 20-something year old. [Edited 2/27/23 15:03pm]

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- I read that Amadeus had some things that were fiction, but he seemed to indeed have this silly side. It seems he wrote a piece called ´Kiss my ass´ (that´s very Prince) and made some silly jokes in letters. Anyway, it´s a fantastic movie and I saw it at a very young age and loved it even without knowing nothing about Mozart´s music.

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Reply #47 posted 03/02/23 9:54am

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GustavoRibas said:



onlyforaminute said:


Given how silly and frivolous that guy was in the movie I can see why Prince wasn't fully flattered. That guy died broke and was thrown into a mass grave. Yeah I don't see that being charming to a 20-something year old. [Edited 2/27/23 15:03pm]

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- I read that Amadeus had some things that were fiction, but he seemed to indeed have this silly side. It seems he wrote a piece called ´Kiss my ass´ (that´s very Prince) and made some silly jokes in letters. Anyway, it´s a fantastic movie and I saw it at a very young age and loved it even without knowing nothing about Mozart´s music.


Yeah I know the movie didn't reflect the real person but it's the character in that ppl point to as being similar to Prince, especially during that time. That character, while humorous, was still frivolous and silly, the combination is basically highly immature in certain basic aspects of his life that needed his father to attend to. A highly prideful 20-something yo may not be impressed with such a comparison regardless of the musical genius aspects.
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Reply #48 posted 03/02/23 12:21pm

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onlyforaminute said:

GustavoRibas said:

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- I read that Amadeus had some things that were fiction, but he seemed to indeed have this silly side. It seems he wrote a piece called ´Kiss my ass´ (that´s very Prince) and made some silly jokes in letters. Anyway, it´s a fantastic movie and I saw it at a very young age and loved it even without knowing nothing about Mozart´s music.

Yeah I know the movie didn't reflect the real person but it's the character in that ppl point to as being similar to Prince, especially during that time. That character, while humorous, was still frivolous and silly, the combination is basically highly immature in certain basic aspects of his life that needed his father to attend to. A highly prideful 20-something yo may not be impressed with such a comparison regardless of the musical genius aspects.

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- Ahh yeah, I didnt notice you were talking about the comparisson with Prince. Sorry.

Prince indeed had lots of sense of humour, but he wasnt frivolous or silly.

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Reply #49 posted 03/02/23 12:47pm

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onlyforaminute said:

GustavoRibas said:



onlyforaminute said:


Given how silly and frivolous that guy was in the movie I can see why Prince wasn't fully flattered. That guy died broke and was thrown into a mass grave. Yeah I don't see that being charming to a 20-something year old. [Edited 2/27/23 15:03pm]

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- I read that Amadeus had some things that were fiction, but he seemed to indeed have this silly side. It seems he wrote a piece called ´Kiss my ass´ (that´s very Prince) and made some silly jokes in letters. Anyway, it´s a fantastic movie and I saw it at a very young age and loved it even without knowing nothing about Mozart´s music.


Yeah I know the movie didn't reflect the real person but it's the character in that ppl point to as being similar to Prince, especially during that time. That character, while humorous, was still frivolous and silly, the combination is basically highly immature in certain basic aspects of his life that needed his father to attend to. A highly prideful 20-something yo may not be impressed with such a comparison regardless of the musical genius aspects.


Who's making the comparison? I've never even heard that comparison before.
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Reply #50 posted 03/10/23 4:24pm

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I heard Bobby Z reference in some interview that Prince saw and liked the movie Amadeus. I'll see if I can find it and share a link...

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Reply #51 posted 03/11/23 2:42am

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ExTAFKASoladeo1 said:

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Plus all the ruffle-ly Edwardian suits.....


Edwardian?????

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Reply #52 posted 03/11/23 6:57am

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langebleu said:

ExTAFKASoladeo1 said:

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Plus all the ruffle-ly Edwardian suits.....


Edwardian?????


I'd somehow overlooked that.

Edwardian refers to the early 1900s, when King Edward ruled England. I'm not sure Prince's outfits in Purple Rain were Edwardian. And even if they were, that wouldn't associate them with Mozart. Edwardian fashion was from 100 years after Mozart died.


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Reply #53 posted 03/11/23 10:42am

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Edwardian?????


I'd somehow overlooked that.

Edwardian refers to the early 1900s, when King Edward ruled England. I'm not sure Prince's outfits in Purple Rain were Edwardian. And even if they were, that wouldn't associate them with Mozart. Edwardian fashion was from 100 years after Mozart died.



Yes.

The style of dress adopted by Prince during the Purple Rain era would not be described as Edwardian

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Reply #54 posted 03/13/23 8:55am

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lurker316 said:


I'd somehow overlooked that.

Edwardian refers to the early 1900s, when King Edward ruled England. I'm not sure Prince's outfits in Purple Rain were Edwardian. And even if they were, that wouldn't associate them with Mozart. Edwardian fashion was from 100 years after Mozart died.



Yes.

The style of dress adopted by Prince during the Purple Rain era would not be described as Edwardian


Try Regency.

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Reply #55 posted 03/17/23 1:16pm

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Prince probably saw every movie that the rest of us saw, but it ruins the mystique to think of Prince sitting around watching movies.

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Reply #56 posted 03/19/23 3:56am

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Prince probably saw every movie that the rest of us saw, but it ruins the mystique to think of Prince sitting around watching movies.


I can tell you that Prince almost certainly saw "The Cider House Rules" and "Chasing Amy" because I happened to be in the video store the night he came in and rented those. Literally blew my mind at the time that Prince would rent movies.
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