LoveGalore said:

CandaceS said:

CAL3 said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i checked out the prince store today for the first time in ages and was surprised just HOW MUCH merch they have lol. its actually astonishing, the sheer range. there must be some fans who really buy every single thing, every scarf, every mug. not knocking it, i cant afford to, plus idk i need that many prince mugs lol.

I want the 1999 hoodie that looks nice

CAL3 said:

CandaceS said:

There's enough unreleased audio and video material to release something much more often than that. Even if it's simply a single song on a streaming service. Evidently the estate is only interested in more profitable offerings, such as physical releases and the other merchandise.

. Thanks for that. Yeah, I know there’s enough unfinished stuff for them to try to satisfy the categorically unsatisfiable fans. . You nailed the correct point. Of course the estate is only interested in issuing profitable offerings. What else would they be interested in?

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You know... the legacy of Prince? Realistically, there's not many fans left and with their tactics, it doesn't seem many more are coming.

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So.. why not use the model most bands nowadays do, every month a "single" on spotify, making an album after all songs are released.

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As to monetizing.. make a club so you have steady income. Release regular fan only digital releases, such as concerts, "demos" of released tracks, stuff like Camille, and get a good income out of it ($100+/year). (for hardly any costs) Then use warner and/or sony to release higher profile things like superdeluxe and originals type things, plus "legendary lost albums". Do lots of marketing for those and make sure there's more if you want it, just become part of the "insiders" club...

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Also make sure you license the hell out of his songs and let it be used on tiktok and whatnot. Find new markets for his music!

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Don't know why the idea of a new vault release every month is a weird idea. I don't understand why they do not!

mediumdry said:

LoveGalore said:

mediumdry said:

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You know... the legacy of Prince? Realistically, there's not many fans left and with their tactics, it doesn't seem many more are coming.

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So.. why not use the model most bands nowadays do, every month a "single" on spotify, making an album after all songs are released.

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As to monetizing.. make a club so you have steady income. Release regular fan only digital releases, such as concerts, "demos" of released tracks, stuff like Camille, and get a good income out of it ($100+/year). (for hardly any costs) Then use warner and/or sony to release higher profile things like superdeluxe and originals type things, plus "legendary lost albums". Do lots of marketing for those and make sure there's more if you want it, just become part of the "insiders" club...

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Also make sure you license the hell out of his songs and let it be used on tiktok and whatnot. Find new markets for his music!

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Don't know why the idea of a new vault release every month is a weird idea. I don't understand why they do not!

In what world do most bands release a single a month? Lol [Edited 1/6/23 16:40pm]

In what world does a band have 10,000 unreleased songs?

mediumdry said:

CAL3 said:

CandaceS said: . Thanks for that. Yeah, I know there’s enough unfinished stuff for them to try to satisfy the categorically unsatisfiable fans. . You nailed the correct point. Of course the estate is only interested in issuing profitable offerings. What else would they be interested in?

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You know... the legacy of Prince? Realistically, there's not many fans left

Why not ?

It does not even make any sense.

Prince is a legacy artist and if his work stopped in the 80's he'd still be a legacy artist.

Some artists have less output and they're doing great dead or alive. You must not be out there but young people are discovering Prince everyday.

Gooddoctor23 said:

The very last thing Prince did in the morning of April 17th, 2016, was playing two songs on a piano in his PP-studio, while announcing at the same time that one of his last 'Piano & Microphone' concerts were ready for release as a live album.

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A day later he released though Tidal his last official public release; 'Black Sweat' (as a single?), from that same announced live performance/album of April 14th at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta.

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Why the fuck the Estate don't release it... I don't know and don't understand.

I would/could be a massive hit (imho).

I mean, Estate, come on.

It's ready since April 2016, under Prince's full guidance, aparently!

Vannormal said:

LoveGalore said:

In what world do most bands release a single a month? Lol

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Gotsta love famz who know nothing.

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https://www.xsnoize.com/t...h-in-2022/

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Which is the second time they did this: they first did it in 1992. Most of those singles charted and the band performed nine times of Top Of The Pops in 1992.

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Also: https://www.theguardian.c...nder-no-45

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Also: https://thecatempire.com/band-1/

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LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

The very last thing Prince did in the morning of April 17th, 2016, was playing two songs on a piano in his PP-studio, while announcing at the same time that one of his last 'Piano & Microphone' concerts were ready for release as a live album.

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A day later he released though Tidal his last official public release; 'Black Sweat' (as a single?), from that same announced live performance/album of April 14th at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta.

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Why the fuck the Estate don't release it... I don't know and don't understand.

I would/could be a massive hit (imho).

I mean, Estate, come on.

It's ready since April 2016, under Prince's full guidance, aparently!

It wouldn't be a massive hit because nobody is checking for Prince like that. People gotta let go of that idea. That shouldn't even be the goal.

I completely agree on both points.

1.) It would not have been a massive hit. The general public (including teens, who are the primary consumers of music) aren't that interested in Prince. Also, solo voice and piano albums don't blow up the charts.

2.) But that's okay. The goal shouldn't be to release hit records.

lurker316 said:

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said: It wouldn't be a massive hit because nobody is checking for Prince like that. People gotta let go of that idea. That shouldn't even be the goal.

I completely agree on both points.

1.) It would not have been a massive hit. The general public (including teens, who are the primary consumers of music) aren't that interested in Prince. Also, solo voice and piano albums don't blow up the charts.

2.) But that's okay. The goal shouldn't be to release hit records.

True, primary customers are not interested in Prince.

But 'teens' are not the general public, they are just 'teens' and they did not change since the fifties.

Teens in general as music fans have a really short time span.

Prince had his 'teens' as fans only between 1982 and 1985, maybe 1986, that was about it i believe.

Even by SOTT most 'teens' left the Prince camp.

I wonder how many 'teens' went for 'Welcome 2 America', and that album didn't do all that bad.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Today's contemporary general music loving public is wider and becomming older than ever.

More often it's those with money, like older music lovers who still prefer to invest in albums, CDs, DVDs, boxsets or any form of music they can hold in their hands.

Streaming is more for (younger) adults, millenials, teens, children. All my humble opinion of course.

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To blow up an album in the charts (although I don't care for charts) it's all a matter of promotion and money and the constant changing effort a company has to put into it.

Still i belive that any popular indie acts can blow up the charts just like Taylor Swift, or just like The Beatles and Radiohead possibly can.

There's also a much shortes time span of trying to stay in the charts. There is also far more new releases available than ever before.

Its moslty all about gaining money from various ways of promoting any type of music.

Vannormal said:

lurker316 said:

I completely agree on both points.

1.) It would not have been a massive hit. The general public (including teens, who are the primary consumers of music) aren't that interested in Prince. Also, solo voice and piano albums don't blow up the charts.

2.) But that's okay. The goal shouldn't be to release hit records.

True, primary customers are not interested in Prince.

But 'teens' are not the general public, they are just 'teens' and they did not change since the fifties.

Teens in general as music fans have a really short time span.

Prince had his 'teens' as fans only between 1982 and 1985, maybe 1986, that was about it i believe.

Even by SOTT most 'teens' left the Prince camp.

I wonder how many 'teens' went for 'Welcome 2 America', and that album didn't do all that bad.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Today's contemporary general music loving public is wider and becomming older than ever.

More often it's those with money, like older music lovers who still prefer to invest in albums, CDs, DVDs, boxsets or any form of music they can hold in their hands.

Streaming is more for (younger) adults, millenials, teens, children. All my humble opinion of course.

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To blow up an album in the charts (although I don't care for charts) it's all a matter of promotion and money and the constant changing effort a company has to put into it.

Still i belive that any popular indie acts can blow up the charts just like Taylor Swift, or just like The Beatles and Radiohead possibly can.

There's also a much shortes time span of trying to stay in the charts. There is also far more new releases available than ever before.

Its moslty all about gaining money from various ways of promoting any type of music.

The music landscape certainly is changing, espeically with streaming become dominant and physcial media become niche, so i can't say for certain where things stand now. But historically, teens had always been the largest consumers of music. Please note the word "consumers". I'm not saying they necessarily listened to music more than adults; I'm just saying they spent more money on music than adults. And prestreaming, it was sales, not listening, that drove the charts.

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bizzie said:

LoveGalore said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

In what world does a band have 10,000 unreleased songs?

I'm afraid nobody does. Not even Prince.

lets say he only has 1,000 songs. If they release 1 song a month, that is 83 years of material.

Prince recorded a song every day for 40 yrs. If we do the math that's 365 times 40, that's 14 600 which means even if he skipped a few days while he was touring for exemple, he could still be at a solid 10k songs.

paisleyparkgirl said:

Prince recorded a song every day for 40 yrs. If we do the math that's 365 times 40, that's 14 600 which means even if he skipped a few days while he was touring for exemple, he could still be at a solid 10k songs.

I don't believe he literally recorded a song every day. That's hyperbole meant to further his legendary prolificness.

I'm not doubting that there were thousands of tapes in the Vault when he passed, but thousands of tapes doesn't mean thousands of songs. He notoriously recorded all of his rehearsals and concerts. Surely those account for a substantial number of those tapes.

paisleyparkgirl said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

LoveGalore said:

In what world do most bands release a single a month? Lol [Edited 1/6/23 16:40pm]

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not many do, true. However, look at spotify... a lot of bands release 5 or 6 songs in relatively short intervals (call them singles, if you will) before the album release. Look at Vulfpeck, for instance.

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The point though... there are a number of Prince fans and it seems the numbers are trending down. (based on gut instinct and how often Prince gets mentioned in music media I see/hear. I hope I'm wrong) To me, it doesn't seem that the estate isn't doing much to keep the current fans engaged by regularly releasing small things, like the Do Me Baby demo or the I Feel For You demo of a few years ago. That was promising, but needs to be more regular. Behind a paywall for all I care.

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At the same time, I'm not seeing much licensing (although his music is getting used in some movies now) and other things to get the music to new audiences.

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That's where my "release small things often for current fans, try to expand fanbase, release yearly/halfyearly superdeluxe things with lots of fanfare and marketing" is coming from. It seems there's plenty of material to choose from. Hell, I'd take "the year of Joy In Repetition" with a monthly release of a different live version of the song (or any song for that matter). There are so many options to keep people more engaged than they are doing!

FrankieCoco1 said:

https://www.cede.com/en/m...d=18016705 https://imusic.co/music/4...ague-88-cd https://www.cdjapan.co.jp.../VSCD-4558 This doesn’t look like an official release but for a moment it got me hoping. Edit: I’ve noticed this likely dodgy release is by ‘Straight Music Presents’, “WHICH AIMS TO BRING TO FANS AROUND THE WORLD AMAZING LIVE CONCERTS THAT WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AND RELEASED FOR THE FIRST TIME ON LIMITED EDITION VINYL” (see https://straightmusicpres...com/about/ ). I’ve also seen another pre-release of theirs, this time of Prince’s 22 August 1986 show in Stockholm, Sweden ( https://imusic.co/music/4...e-in-86-cd ). [Edited 1/9/23 13:12pm]

How many releases of this 'Paard Van Troje' concert from The Hague are there already on bootlegs since decades ?

Also several on vinyl.. i've seen them regularly while digging crates.

All probably with the same (or lame) quality by refering to that known soundboard recording.

Vannormal said:

lurker316 said:

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said: It wouldn't be a massive hit because nobody is checking for Prince like that. People gotta let go of that idea. That shouldn't even be the goal.

I completely agree on both points.

1.) It would not have been a massive hit. The general public (including teens, who are the primary consumers of music) aren't that interested in Prince. Also, solo voice and piano albums don't blow up the charts.

2.) But that's okay. The goal shouldn't be to release hit records.

I think releasing it too soon would seem very crass and inappropriate, but then again I think they heldg onto it as their "ace in the hole", saving it for some ideal time that probably already came and went.

Maybe they'll release it with a video component.

Vannormal said:

lurker316 said:

I completely agree on both points.

1.) It would not have been a massive hit. The general public (including teens, who are the primary consumers of music) aren't that interested in Prince. Also, solo voice and piano albums don't blow up the charts.

2.) But that's okay. The goal shouldn't be to release hit records.

True, primary customers are not interested in Prince.

But 'teens' are not the general public, they are just 'teens' and they did not change since the fifties.

Teens in general as music fans have a really short time span.

Prince had his 'teens' as fans only between 1982 and 1985, maybe 1986, that was about it i believe.

Even by SOTT most 'teens' left the Prince camp.

I wonder how many 'teens' went for 'Welcome 2 America', and that album didn't do all that bad.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Today's contemporary general music loving public is wider and becomming older than ever.

More often it's those with money, like older music lovers who still prefer to invest in albums, CDs, DVDs, boxsets or any form of music they can hold in their hands.

Streaming is more for (younger) adults, millenials, teens, children. All my humble opinion of course.

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To blow up an album in the charts (although I don't care for charts) it's all a matter of promotion and money and the constant changing effort a company has to put into it.

Still i belive that any popular indie acts can blow up the charts just like Taylor Swift, or just like The Beatles and Radiohead possibly can.

There's also a much shortes time span of trying to stay in the charts. There is also far more new releases available than ever before.

Its moslty all about gaining money from various ways of promoting any type of music.

You see artists like Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, etc. selling off their music rights for huge amounts. One of the reasons I'm sure is because physical sales are dead.

Someone like Bruce . . . you've sold most of the albums in LP, cassette, CD formats that you're going to sell. Physical is dead, save for purists out there. Streaming pays next to nothing, and touring at that age is not a constant. So, cash out.

Teens don't really buy music anymore. Everyone streams. Unless you are talking about hipsters who buy the vinyl.

Se7en said:

You see artists like Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, etc. selling off their music rights for huge amounts. One of the reasons I'm sure is because physical sales are dead.

Someone like Bruce . . . you've sold most of the albums in LP, cassette, CD formats that you're going to sell. Physical is dead, save for purists out there. Streaming pays next to nothing, and touring at that age is not a constant. So, cash out.

Teens don't really buy music anymore. Everyone streams. Unless you are talking about hipsters who buy the vinyl.

This is now the norm.

However, my daughter at 17 will buy up vinyl of her faves.