So, watched the whole Sunset Sound interview with both Duane Tudahl and Susan Rogers. I have watched all interviews with Susan and like the interviewer said, she seems to never say 'no' to any requests. Although I have heard some of the stories she re-told during this latest interview, I heard more clearly something she's said a few times. The level of dedication she had to Prince was something very very special. When she recounts her suspicion that Manic Monday may have been in part inspired by her having to come in to work right as her date ended, it was a great example of how dedicated she was. Imagine, you are out…you had a nice evening and want to relax or maybe just spend some time reflect on her evening…instead, she comes right in w/o even taking the time to change. She's said it many times but only in this last interview did I digest what she was saying. She never had time off…she was able to keep up with his lack of sleeping…she lasted 5 years. Amazing.

Something I really now want to understand is her own story. She is a trailblazer in her area…a woman engineer. Were her parents proud of her? How did they feel when she 'made it big'. What is her life like today….she's always been so generous with her time, but we know very little about her.

I saw a clip of her talking about "The Cross," and how she thought the drum track would be unuseable, but Prince was super happy with the whole song in his head and kept going. She's still puzzled by it. Which seems more like an engineer statement than someone who understood Prince on a pretty decent level personally. The interviewer noted "The Cross" and "The Beautiful Ones" were two of his favorite songs.

Also saw the video about how Prince showed up each day to work.

I need to go listen to the whole thing.

TrivialPursuit said:

I saw a clip of her talking about "The Cross," and how she thought the drum track would be unuseable, but Prince was super happy with the whole song in his head and kept going. She's still puzzled by it. Which seems more like an engineer statement than someone who understood Prince on a pretty decent level personally. The interviewer noted "The Cross" and "The Beautiful Ones" were two of his favorite songs.

Also saw the video about how Prince showed up each day to work.

I need to go listen to the whole thing.

She talks about the drum track on "The Cross" in the Wax Poetics book.
He was playing the drums live and kept going faster and faster. She thought it was sloppy BUT....it fits. The song goes from a slow ballad to hard rocker.
She can be wrong but I do enjoy listening to her. Plus, she erupts in a big curse LOL.

Wax Poetics:
https://www.waxpoetics.com/article/susan-rogers-on-sign-o-the-times-the-epic/

I watched the one with Bill Jackson and Mattieu Bitton. I'm about halfway through it.

They got very shady when it came to "The Glamorous Life." Because a certain singer claimed she wrote the lyrics, said Prince tore the page out of her journal, and she brought the journal with a torn page as "evidence." Even during her interview, you could sorta smell potential bullshit. The interviewer asked Bill Jackson if he ever saw her work on the song. He said he didn't see her work on it.

However, they edited her name out of the video. There's a clear edit in the video/audio cutting her name out. They're not necessarily about being shady toward someone, but rather - as they noted - they are a show about facts and getting the stories right. The interviewer then said, "Maybe they worked on it somewhere else..." And there was a side-eye moment of, "Yeah right, and monkey might fly out of my butt."

Overall, it's a great interview.

ALSO HAS ANYONE EVER NOTED THAT "SHE'S ALWAYS IN MY HAIR" WAS LISTED AS "SEX SHOOTER" ON THE WORK ORDER????

OKay fine, maybe it's been covered, but I never saw it or heard it until last night. I never realized that the hook from "Sex Shooter" was in "She's Always In My Hair." The pisser is that "Sex Shooter" was recorded nine months after SAIMH. They talk about this in the Bill Jackson interview. They also talk about how Prince was just recording songs, and it ended up being the whole of The Glamorous Life. He packed it up and walked it (or drove) to Warner Bros to sell it. They had no idea he was making a record for Sheila E. There's also a story about her just hovering in the control room for a while before Bill asked who she was. She was still playing drums for Lionel Richie. They talk about "Around The World In A Day," "Tricky" (OMG that story!), and more.

Jackson only worked with Prince about a month, but man - a whole album in that time! His name was on the back of the record jacket, which was very rare back then. It was a good resume moment for his career. He was a runner days before Prince showed up on a Sunday, and was literally the only guy to set up the studio and record Prince. So he was an engineer literally overnight. He also worked on Rock A Little by Stevie Nicks. (Super funny story about Nicks in there, too.)

I'm not even done with the video and all that's already been covered, in detail.

Oh, and who told Prince there was too much going on in "When Doves Cry?" Was it Jill who told him, "Take out the bass," or was it Brownmark? Both have conflicting stories. But maybe we get to what the original song was, and then who told him what and what it became, in this video.

I'll be watching the Susan Rogers one next.

Susan, in her interview, talks about how people can *think* they inspired something because Prince would notice what was happening around him and write about it.

That "singer" who's taking credit for MM also claims she's Prince's widow.

After all these years, can't people figure out how to make importance out of their own lives?

laytonian said:

Susan, in her interview, talks about how people can *think* they inspired something because Prince would notice what was happening around him and write about it.

That "singer" who's taking credit for MM also claims she's Prince's widow.

After all these years, can't people figure out how to make importance out of their own lives?

The only one playing the role of grieving widow is the woman who "sang" on "The Glamorous Life."

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

It's the other pretender who said she found an engagement ring in her yard that prince's spirit left for her. That one also said she wrote Manic Monday, which is obviously false. She said she wrote others too - like Glamorous Life, as well. She gets on the podcast with the ones who will protect her bullshit cuz she protects theirs. It's nuts how political and weird these employees are.

In her yard? Who the fuck is this loon????

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

laytonian said:

Susan, in her interview, talks about how people can *think* they inspired something because Prince would notice what was happening around him and write about it.

That "singer" who's taking credit for MM also claims she's Prince's widow.

After all these years, can't people figure out how to make importance out of their own lives?

The only one playing the role of grieving widow is the woman who "sang" on "The Glamorous Life."

I have no issue with Sheila. She workd with P from 1986 to 2011, on and off. Apollonia? No. She's given multiple interviews claiming she feels like SHE is his widow. https://www.stereogum.com...ince/news/

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

The only one playing the role of grieving widow is the woman who "sang" on "The Glamorous Life."

It's the other pretender who said she found an engagement ring in her yard that prince's spirit left for her. That one also said she wrote Manic Monday, which is obviously false. She said she wrote others too - like Glamorous Life, as well. She gets on the podcast with the ones who will protect her bullshit cuz she protects theirs. It's nuts how political and weird these employees are.

....and also claims that Prince tried to give her money before he died but for some reason, they did not connect.

RJOrion said:

Susan Rogers said: blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah...again

I dunno if that is fair - she has by far given some of the most insightful commentary on Prince's music and Prince himself out of everyone who talks about him on a regular basis IMO

Susan Rogers does have a unique insight on his music, as does Peggy Mac, Bill Jackson, David Leonard, David Z, Chris Moon, Femi, and others.

I think Susan loses fans when she starts to try and articulate Prince's inner motives for certain things. Some things in music make sense and they make sense for that artist. It seems logical that he put this here or that there. He probably talked about things, shared a couple of things, and people being around or whatever - it wasn't that hard to put 2 and 2 together.

However, her going a step beyond that is maybe a bit too much. It's clear she cared about Prince and enjoyed her time there, and really did a lot with him. One tends to inadvertently and purposely absorb everything when you're in a positive - and dare I say loving - environment like that.

Even Rogers has said that her and Peggy Mac have very different memories of particular things, but maybe neither is wrong. Both can co-exist and both be right. And that's what makes the stories great. She's no small player in Princestory.

TrivialPursuit said:

Susan Rogers does have a unique insight on his music, as does Peggy Mac, Bill Jackson, David Leonard, David Z, Chris Moon, Femi, and others.

I think Susan loses fans when she starts to try and articulate Prince's inner motives for certain things. Some things in music make sense and they make sense for that artist. It seems logical that he put this here or that there. He probably talked about things, shared a couple of things, and people being around or whatever - it wasn't that hard to put 2 and 2 together.

However, her going a step beyond that is maybe a bit too much. It's clear she cared about Prince and enjoyed her time there, and really did a lot with him. One tends to inadvertently and purposely absorb everything when you're in a positive - and dare I say loving - environment like that.

Even Rogers has said that her and Peggy Mac have very different memories of particular things, but maybe neither is wrong. Both can co-exist and both be right. And that's what makes the stories great. She's no small player in Princestory.

^^^^ this

i can't remember who said it, but he'd tell different things to different people just to keep things "confusing" (or to see who's telling stories).

Susan and Peggy were seldom together when he was creating even the same song so it's natural that they'd remember differently.
But I'm thankful for both of them.

The more associates who talk, the more we learn -- and the easier it is to suss out the truth.

laytonian said:

strongoxman1 said:

Yeah, the story (I think Brenda?) told was that Prince wanted to wire Apples, Brenda, Susan and Denise some $$$, but Apples refused to give him her info because she thought it was a scam.

Apollonia said that he was trying to right his wrongs before he died. He felt like these women didn't get their due back then so that's why he wanted to wire them money.

laytonian said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said: It's the other pretender who said she found an engagement ring in her yard that prince's spirit left for her. That one also said she wrote Manic Monday, which is obviously false. She said she wrote others too - like Glamorous Life, as well. She gets on the podcast with the ones who will protect her bullshit cuz she protects theirs. It's nuts how political and weird these employees are.

....and also claims that Prince tried to give her money before he died but for some reason, they did not connect.

Well, the money thing is true! He tried to send 3 women money, but it only went to 2 of them because Apples thought someone was trying to get into her account and blocked it. Only to find out days later that Prince was trying to give her money, but he had already died.

I forget the other 2 women 1 might have been Brenda Bennett? Susan Moonsie?

PennyPurple said:

Apollonia is a lying drunk nobody takes her claims seriously.

RJOrion said:

Susan Rogers said: blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah...again

That is a very constructive comment.

LoveGalore said:

PennyPurple said:

Well, the money thing is true! He tried to send 3 women money, but it only went to 2 of them because Apples thought someone was trying to get into her account and blocked it. Only to find out days later that Prince was trying to give her money, but he had already died.

I forget the other 2 women 1 might have been Brenda Bennett? Susan Moonsie?

Apollonia is a fucking liar. Her claims are entirely nonsensical. https://youtu.be/QXEBDnBfFPs This is not a person burdened by the truth. This is a person trying to drum up interest in her nonexistent career now that her second chance at a windfall has come. Prince wanted to reform A6? Do movies with A6? Pay everyone back money that he apparently thinks he owed them? Pay Apples for "Glam Life" and other massive hit songs she apparently wrote? Prince called her on his every birthday and reminded her he doesn't celebrate them? And yet this person then thought the money was someone trying to break into her account? Wire transfers just come through. And for someone who "lives on hope" you think she's finna turn back $10k or whatever the amount was? She's so full of shit.

I agree she is full of crap and I don't believe a word she says. But for the record, a wire transfer can't come through unless the sender has your bank account information. Apollonia might have meant someone asked for her bank account info so that Prince could wire her money, and she thought it was a scam and declined to provide her bank account number. Again, I think the whole story is unlikely, but to be fair to her, it's not as simply as having $10k appear in your account with your consent.

strongoxman1 said:

Oh, Apples is totally full of shit. I still find her entertaining, though, in a trainwreck kind of way. Remember when she was drunk-posting about Sheila and called her a bunch of slurs? 🤣

"YOU'RE NOT ON OUR CAST LIST!"

lurker316 said:

LoveGalore said:

lurker316 said:

I agree she is full of crap and I don't believe a word she says. But for the record, a wire transfer can't come through unless the sender has your bank account information. Apollonia might have meant someone asked for her bank account info so that Prince could wire her money, and she thought it was a scam and declined to provide her bank account number. Again, I think the whole story is unlikely, but to be fair to her, it's not as simply as having $10k appear in your account with your consent.

That's the thing - if it was Prince trying to make amends, she either discussed this before or after the attempt with him. She either knew the money was coming, or she found out and it can be sent right away. We know he would email people to send money. His email records are in the docs. But what she says, on its face, is bs.

It was said at the time that none of the ladies knew that the money was coming.