funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Someones getting all snarky cos they got their dates mixed up and cant accept prince mightve been inspired by madonna

And you can't admit you were wrong. Prince wasn't listening to Erotica and tryng to write Come instead. What's he doin', stalkin' the studios at Warner getting a listen in or something?

Prince wasn't inspired by Madonna. You need to look up the word "inspired" before throwing it around like that. He wasn't threatened by her, inspired or otherwise. He recognized her place in the music world, respect her journey through it because she's said many times she modeled her career after his when she started. They were peers in every way. But Prince wasn't writing "Come" because he heard "Erotica" or "Where Live Begins."

Pffft, boy bye.

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Yeah, cuz no one's ever done a coffee table book before.

What's next, florals for spring?

No, it's nearly autumn, ya goof. It's long floppy knit sweaters in warmish colors and pajama bottoms.

And too many white girls in UGGS, shawls, tight jeans and holding a PSL.

You know it, I know it.

And you can't admit you were wrong. Prince wasn't listening to Erotica and tryng to write Come instead. What's he doin', stalkin' the studios at Warner getting a listen in or something?

Prince wasn't inspired by Madonna. You need to look up the word "inspired" before throwing it around like that. He wasn't threatened by her, inspired or otherwise. He recognized her place in the music world, respect her journey through it because she's said many times she modeled her career after his when she started. They were peers in every way. But Prince wasn't writing "Come" because he heard "Erotica" or "Where Live Begins."

Pffft, boy bye.

you need to look up the word inspired yourself.

here, have a read:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inspire

perhaps you associate the word inspire with a grander meaning than it actually has.

you prob think theres no way prince could never be inspired by someone like madonna. when its commonly known he was always looking at his peers and trying to match them, go one better, or just have a thought arrive after listening to someone else (and these could come from anywhere, anyone), etc etc.

learn how to think better.

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

you need to look up the word inspired yourself.

[dontcaresnip)

Prince was not inspired by Madonna's Erotica because it wasn't out when he was recording Come. That negates all your bullshit because it's the truth. Not fantasy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotica_(Madonna_album)#Background

Erotica was released on October 20, 1992 by Maverick Records

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Come

Most tracks on the album were recorded in the first half of 1993, although Race dates back to late 1991 (originally recorded during the album sessions, but re-worked in 1993), and the last track recorded for the album, Letitgo, was recorded in March 1994, nine months after Prince changed his name.

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TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Prince was not inspired by Madonna's Erotica because it wasn't out when he was recording Come. That negates all your bullshit because it's the truth. Not fantasy.

It definitely was released by then though???

Totally, but when it was recorded is important for whathisname's argument that one was out and the other reacted to it.

Erotica:

Released Oct 1992

Recorded Oct 1991-1992

Come was recorded in 1991 through early 1993 in stages. It was released much later in August 1994. "Race" was tracked in 1991 (which is amazing considering D&P was the album d'jour).

Also - to me - Come has that goth techno appeal that we've talked about, but Erotica has that heavy R&B street vibe, raw vocals, much heavier hip-hop influence than before. There are no major dance tracks on there, except "Fever" probably.

I just don't think Prince listened to major parts of Erotica and had some knee-jerk reaction to it. The themes are similar but hell - who ain't been sexy or dirty on an album?

lets go over this one more time.

come - 2 January 1993

space - Mid-late May 1993

pheremone - January 1993

loose - Early February 1993

papa - January 1993

race - 8 November 1991

dark - 2 January 1993

solo - Mid-late May 1993

letitgo - 16 March 1994

orgasm - 93/94 (with the vocals and guitar dating back to the 80s obv)

its not about a kneejerk reaction, its just that both albums are big on a sort of slightly seedy, adventurous/daring, sexually explicit, transgressive kinda vibe. and prince hadnt actually done an album with that kind of content upfront and centre for a while at that stage in his career. it was def inspired by stuff in the culture of the early 90s about somewhat underground/'deviant' sex practices, but also dance music (loose), and rnb of the time (let it go). obv yes erotica is more house driven, but its more just the vibe, the themes, a certain kind of atmosphere, and theyre both albums by 80s defining artists who did a lot with sex in the previous decade, but are maybe now getting on a bit, so arent quite as exciting as whats happening elsewhere in popular music, or dance and rap or rnb at the time, as far as sexual content.

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LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Yeah, cuz no one's ever done a coffee table book before.

What's next, florals for spring?

No, it's nearly autumn, ya goof. It's long floppy knit sweaters in warmish colors and pajama bottoms.

so, Emancipation.

The Cool Thing About Prince's "contractual obligation filling" Albums? They were cheap.

LILpoundCAKE said:

LoveGalore said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

so, Emancipation.

I was thinking exactly of that lyric book cover and the Rave promo photo of him traipsing about the fall leaves in a black sweater with those glasses looking like Ally Sheedy from Breakfast Club.

TrivialPursuit said:

Also - to me - Come has that goth techno appeal that we've talked about, but Erotica has that heavy R&B street vibe, raw vocals, much heavier hip-hop influence than before. There are no major dance tracks on there, except "Fever" probably.

This sounds like the description for Bedtime Stories.

"Street vibe"?

Erotica had a little goth techno thing going on itself now that you mention it, prior to that descriptor maybe "dark eurodance" would've been equally apropos...

As both a massive 90s R&B fan and massive Erotica fan the phat beats by Dr. Shep are waayyy more posh european boutique sounding than "street"... It's "Vogue": The Album basically. Never would call it "hip-hop"... "Deeper and Deeper" seemed like a dance track, too.

Solid debate here on both sides, though. It is worth noting with further reference to the genesis or debut of the Erotica sound in "Vogue", the production from Shep Pettibone apparently recorded in December of 1989 always feltsimilar to the production by Prince and Levi Seacer Jr. of "Heaven Must Be Near", premiered in December of 1989.