SquirrelMeat said:

Lol, your memory on these things is better than mine! Thing is, most of us knew who the ex-band member/associates willing to sell/pass on were. But the entertainment came from collectors and their schoolboy willy waving.

Since the org slow down, I never really kept track of the splintering communication methods. I have discord and reddit accounts, but never find any groups/threads that accually discuss the music in great detail. Just photos of collections and fluffy stuff.

I do see some of the old 90's folk, often under their real or alternative names surface on Facebook group comments and twitter threads. It's funny how more polite they are once they are out from under the AMP/PML/PPML/org cover.

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JorisE73 said:

I guess most people onbly know him from here (when the damage had long been done) and yes he was an asshole most of the time in here, but I've seen his posts since 1995 and this guy was something else back then and I've seen the shit he got poured over him, until people knew better and started sucking up to him and that's when he changed.

These days he's more mellow tho, if you read some of the things he posts or when he joins discussions he's just informative and pretty open and not hostile. Just don't come at him as if he owes us something or are entitled to anything he has because then he'll go off hard.

For years he was great, until significant chunks of the vault started getting released after 2016. Then, when he didn't agree with all the information coming out from the estate he would rag on any orger who didn't agree with him. Shame.

Where does he hang now?

I remember him ragging on the Estate not on other orgers. For example I think he mostly neglected orgers who didn';t agree with his write ups (who read them at least) on Originals, 1999 SDE and SOTT SDE, simply because those who didn't agree speculated and he provided proof via samples. Manic Monday for example with only Prince and no backing vocals from the girls who sing different lyrics (girl/boy) like on the released version on Originals or Noon Rendezvous with the linn drum and synths and not that piano solo thing on Originals or teh 10 minute Gigolos get lonely too with just Prince's vocals)

JorisE73 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

For years he was great, until significant chunks of the vault started getting released after 2016. Then, when he didn't agree with all the information coming out from the estate he would rag on any orger who didn't agree with him. Shame.

Where does he hang now?

I remember him ragging on the Estate not on other orgers. For example I think he mostly neglected orgers who didn';t agree with his write ups (who read them at least) on Originals, 1999 SDE and SOTT SDE, simply because those who didn't agree speculated and he provided proof via samples. Manic Monday for example with only Prince and no backing vocals from the girls who sing different lyrics (girl/boy) like on the released version on Originals or Noon Rendezvous with the linn drum and synths and not that piano solo thing on Originals or teh 10 minute Gigolos get lonely too with just Prince's vocals)

In the latter days, he ragged on anyone! There were low/mid level knowledge fans asking genuine questions and he would answer with riddles and vitrol. What was obvious was he was rattled by the Estate 'facts' that didn't match his. I think, for years he expected people to accept his version. When the Estate started to release facts that contradicted, he threw threw his toys out of the pram rather than except he could be wrong.

The offical release of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' flew in the face of a lot of 'inner circle' knowledge.

SquirrelMeat said:

JorisE73 said:

I remember him ragging on the Estate not on other orgers. For example I think he mostly neglected orgers who didn';t agree with his write ups (who read them at least) on Originals, 1999 SDE and SOTT SDE, simply because those who didn't agree speculated and he provided proof via samples. Manic Monday for example with only Prince and no backing vocals from the girls who sing different lyrics (girl/boy) like on the released version on Originals or Noon Rendezvous with the linn drum and synths and not that piano solo thing on Originals or teh 10 minute Gigolos get lonely too with just Prince's vocals)

In the latter days, he ragged on anyone! There were low/mid level knowledge fans asking genuine questions and he would answer with riddles and vitrol. What was obvious was he was rattled by the Estate 'facts' that didn't match his. I think, for years he expected people to accept his version. When the Estate started to release facts that contradicted, he threw threw his toys out of the pram rather than except he could be wrong.

The offical release of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' flew in the face of a lot of 'inner circle' knowledge.

Exactly. What happened is that he left the Org because it was getting obvious that many of his "theories" about songs and albums were in fact wrong. I'm sure he still can get some attention on smaller groups but he made up too many things to remain credible anymore. Anyway, i don't know any other elite collector who would talk so much on public boards. Usually, these people just keep quiet and stay under the radar.

fredmagnus said:

SquirrelMeat said:

In the latter days, he ragged on anyone! There were low/mid level knowledge fans asking genuine questions and he would answer with riddles and vitrol. What was obvious was he was rattled by the Estate 'facts' that didn't match his. I think, for years he expected people to accept his version. When the Estate started to release facts that contradicted, he threw threw his toys out of the pram rather than except he could be wrong.

The offical release of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' flew in the face of a lot of 'inner circle' knowledge.

Exactly. What happened is that he left the Org because it was getting obvious that many of his "theories" about songs and albums were in fact wrong. I'm sure he still can get some attention on smaller groups but he made up too many things to remain credible anymore. Anyway, i don't know any other elite collector who would talk so much on public boards. Usually, these people just keep quiet and stay under the radar.

What did he make up then, because he provided proof of with samples or tracks differing from Originals, 1999 SDE, SOTT SDE etc. for example. Or his old posts that have been confirmed by employees etc. Sure he had some theories but he always stated it that it being that if he didn't have proof or evidence and he still does.
Even Nothing Compares 2 U he provided a sample of a Prince solo version without Susannah and St. Paul.

What samples are you talking about ?

Maybe you've heard them. I haven't. And if it's been sent to "higher profiles"..., well it could very well be nobody since we can't verify it. Just words.

On the other hand, i think we all have this version of NC2Y with only Prince Vocals but i was not talking about that. Sure the Estate played with the multitracks a lot on Originals and it's true for Manic Monday & Noonrdv as you said and i guess that the original mixdowns exist somewhere. But i haven't heard any sample for those 2 songs though i think he's right on that too.

Btw, i have a question...Did he talk about that Babyface wally demo, i mean did he mention this demo title somewhere BEFORE Michael Howe mentions it when SOTT SDE came out ? I just remember him coming here and talk about it AFTER MH did. Or did he say anything "concrete" about Bold Generation before it came out on 1999 SDE ? As i said, with all these outakes coming out now, it was getting harder and harder for him to remain credible here.

I'm not saying he has and/or knows anything, i'm just saying he doesn't have/know as much as he says. Many of his theories are just a guess game.

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fredmagnus said:

What samples are you talking about ?

Maybe you've heard them. I haven't. And if it's been sent to "higher profiles"..., well it could very well be nobody since we can't verify it. Just words.

On the other hand, i think we all have this version of NC2Y with only Prince Vocals but i was not talking about that. Sure the Estate played with the multitracks a lot on Originals and it's true for Manic Monday & Noonrdv as you said and i guess that the original mixdowns exist somewhere. But i haven't heard any sample for those 2 songs though i think he's right on that too.

Btw, i have a question...Did he talk about that Babyface wally demo, i mean did he mention this demo title somewhere BEFORE Michael Howe mentions it when SOTT SDE came out ? I just remember him coming here and talk about it AFTER MH did. Or did he say anything "concrete" about Bold Generation before it came out on 1999 SDE ? As i said, with all these outakes coming out now, it was getting harder and harder for him to remain credible here.

I (and many others here and at other places) have heard some of his samples of things (still) unreleased (most of it from other traders who got them from him).
He mentioned the Wally piano version (and with it another version of Billy/Wendy) on a non-Prince Google+ group back in 2016 (was also then and later discussed at otehr places including here) just not the title Babyface.
Bold Generation as a title was already mentioned by him and others back in the 90s just no description of it othr than that it was already released in a form.
Months before 1999 SDE was announced he already was sorting 1999 material nad sending samples and whatnot to others (I only heard some What Time is it? and some Vanity 6 demos samples with Prince's vocals from a mutual trader mate that came from him) same with PR DE and SOTT DE like (2 Nigs) Walking in Glory vocal and instrumental (as he calld it then and that was in 1995-1996) and much more from the 90s that have been confirmed since then.
Almost a year before W2A SDE was announced there were big discussions and shares of configs and tracks from those sessions by him.
For example I asked him some weeks ago about something (CC Tape) nobody knows or knew of and without me telling him anything I knew (like that CC stands for Camisol Crew) he gave details like the name and info on it that I left out in the questions to him and he even gave info that was later confirmd by the person who had a copy of that tape since the early 90s.
Th most striking thing to me is fro something recent and that was the New World info. It seems most if not all people on here only got to know about it because Princevault just now decided to post the info of that album, even tho it has been known about and discussed since 1997 (25 years earlier!) when Neversin posted the tracklist and the front cover of the album. this also came to a surprise to most people I talk to at other places who also had that info since 1997 from him.

But I think the kudos and confirmations from some of the most respected people in Prince fandom says it all about him.

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fredmagnus said:

I'm not saying he has and/or knows anything, i'm just saying he doesn't have/know as much as he says. Many of his theories are just a guess game.

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But I've never heard him say that 'he has a lot of material' he never mentioned things like that as far as i know.
I've never heard him boast about what he had or how much he has, it's just specualtions that come from people every time someone mentioned something he adds things with proof like samples or info with recording logs, he'been doing that ever since the 90s, just not here or other public places.
Sometime people ask things in public and get an answer in private from him (I always ask people in private if they maybe got an answer, he mostly they do from him)
He hasn't shared much or even anything here publicly that he did shared at other places with more detail, it was obvios from the moment he was here on Prince.org that he wasn't here to talk in depth about stuff to the fans here, because ever since the last days of the old black and purple prince.org when all that Pizza and Wallet nonsense started and making this site a non serious Prince board he treated it as it, and when this site got the overhaul it currently has and huge chunk of old BBS members and fans from other places he didn't like and came sucking up to him here, he's been very public about that.
It's known that mostkly just shares in priavte to people here and now other places and every now and then some of that stuff trickles our way.
I'm just glad he's on other places (even tho I'm not on most of them) where he shares things that evry now and then lands in our laps.

JorisE73 said: