JorisE73 said:

AvocadosMax said:

... It never happened. False. Not this time. It’s totally made up. It’s fiction. It’s made up. Not this time. Its a fake. It’s an urban legend that never happened. You’re wrong. Not this time. We gotchya. It never happened.

Is this Donald Trump speaking about the January 6 Capitol Hill attacks ? Or that he lost the election?

AvocadosMax said:

JorisE73 said:

I don't think Kanye is shutting down his fans left and right like Prince and now The Estate (except they let youtube slide these days) is doing.

True. Kanye don’t care lol in fact i think he leaks some stuff himself

Plus there is no bootleg market for his stuff as it's mostly samples with a generic beat and him whining over it with autotune.

Krid said:

AvocadosMax said:

I think its funny how Prince fans are top top secret when it comes to boots/leaks and the exchange of unreleased tracks, however you can go on Reddit or YouTube for lets say any Kanye unreleased music lol the younger generations are more open about it.

Obviously, you are new to Prince.

The culture of secrecy around bootleg groups exists because Prince has been actively hunting bootlegs.

He closed blogs in the 2010s for example.

You cannot expose them too much in public if you want to protect them.

JorisE73 said:

DonRants said:

Has anyone heard or been on the Gemini Project on Discord? I heard its a great place for discussions on Prince. If you are a member can you PM me and send me an invite so I can check it out. Thanks.

Members can't invite people to join anymore.
But it doesn't exist anyway.

I don't know why JorisE73 says that. He is a member of this group which still exists.

But word is coming that this group is dead like Prince and that there is not much activity anymore.

Bertrand said:

JorisE73 said:

Members can't invite people to join anymore.
But it doesn't exist anyway.

I don't know why JorisE73 says that. He is a member of this group which still exists.

But word is coming that this group is dead like Prince and that there is not much activity anymore.

So funny....to each one is own truth !!

Bertrand said:

LOL @ LoveGalore

You know nothing.

Bertrand said:

LoveGalore said:

Bertrand said:

Obviously, you are new to Prince.

The culture of secrecy around bootleg groups exists because Prince has been actively hunting bootlegs.

He closed blogs in the 2010s for example.

You cannot expose them too much in public if you want to protect them.

I'm gonna clue you in on a little something: Prince esta muerte. And they're not going to sue some dudes merely sharing bootlegs. And you're referring to an event that occurred 20 years ago now almost. Prince bootleggers are secretive because of their wheelings and dealings behind the scenes. This person promised this person they wouldn't leak something because it would get back to Prince's inner circle and the rat would be found out. This person swore to another person on his deathbed to never share "Go" etc. And that person, along with the Exorcist we'll call him, are so closely linked to that circle that they even had working configurations of albums done in nigh secrecy. It is smoke and mirrors to suggest that anyone could sue a discord server. And it beggars belief that anyone would think the Prince camp would go thru the petitioning and research and digging to find where folks are hiding so they can... What, sue them in a different country? Lord have mercy. I know Prince fans are old and generally not techy but can you guys get a fucking grip already. This has nothing to do with the dead man's wishes, as is evident from most of the estate's actions.

The truth.

LoveGalore said:

Bertrand said:

Obviously, you are new to Prince.

The culture of secrecy around bootleg groups exists because Prince has been actively hunting bootlegs.

He closed blogs in the 2010s for example.

You cannot expose them too much in public if you want to protect them.

I'm gonna clue you in on a little something: Prince esta muerte. And they're not going to sue some dudes merely sharing bootlegs. And you're referring to an event that occurred 20 years ago now almost. Prince bootleggers are secretive because of their wheelings and dealings behind the scenes. This person promised this person they wouldn't leak something because it would get back to Prince's inner circle and the rat would be found out. This person swore to another person on his deathbed to never share "Go" etc. And that person, along with the Exorcist we'll call him, are so closely linked to that circle that they even had working configurations of albums done in nigh secrecy. It is smoke and mirrors to suggest that anyone could sue a discord server. And it beggars belief that anyone would think the Prince camp would go thru the petitioning and research and digging to find where folks are hiding so they can... What, sue them in a different country? Lord have mercy. I know Prince fans are old and generally not techy but can you guys get a fucking grip already. This has nothing to do with the dead man's wishes, as is evident from most of the estate's actions.

The estate sent C&D letters to some members on some Discords for sharing unauthorized material, i don't know what the Estate can do tho and it could just be a threat, but the members and the owner of one those servers closed down just to be safe.

The Prince bootleggers are highly avoided by people like the Exorcist guy and he's definitly not in some circle with them. Given the info he sometimes let us regulars know and things he shares with some that other high profile traders or collectors or whatever have never even heard about makes me think he's something else than some 'inner cirlce' type of guy, since some of these inner circle folk don't even know or have most of the things he shares. Not even BigChick knew him or knew about stuff he had.

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JorisE73 said:

What is discord?

[Edited 8/22/22 6:06am]

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

The estate sent C&D letters to some members on some Discords for sharing unauthorized material, i don't know what the Estate can do tho and it could just be a threat, but the members and the owner of one those servers closed down just to be safe.

The Prince bootleggers are highly avoided by people like the Exorcist guy and he's definitly not in some circle with them. Given the info he sometimes let us regulars know and things he shares with some that other high profile traders or collectors or whatever have never even heard about makes me think he's something else than some 'inner cirlce' type of guy, since some of these inner circle folk don't even know or have most of the things he shares. Not even BigChick knew him or knew about stuff he had.

[Edited 8/22/22 1:57am]

Yep, the Exorcist's connection is a head scratcher mostly because he's not American. While that doesn't mean he couldn't literally be someone at Paisley, he doesn't live in America either. I do know he has been to Paisley extensively and I thought he had done archival work there or something but I can't remember where I heard that. But the point is that C&D letters are extremely cheap to fire off and scare people. Are they really gonna go after them if they aren't making any money off their sharing? It's just... So very unlikely bordering on never gonna happen.

I';ve heard a lot of rumours about him but do know some things about him that have been confirmed by some (ex) employees and some extremely well respected (by my guess every single serious Prince fan) individuals.

Yeah, I also got a C&D back in the day for having the official symbol on my site, never thought anything of it and ignored it. But maybe people are don't know anything about C&D letters and feel threatened by them and then think: better safe than sorry.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

I';ve heard a lot of rumours about him but do know some things about him that have been confirmed by some (ex) employees and some extremely well respected (by my guess every single serious Prince fan) individuals.

Yeah, I also got a C&D back in the day for having the official symbol on my site, never thought anything of it and ignored it. But maybe people are don't know anything about C&D letters and feel threatened by them and then think: better safe than sorry.

We need someone to write a book about the Exorcist because what a life he must be living....

He was treated like shit on this forum by some people, it's a shame to treat a person like him like that because he is a person with first hand information on the recordings and the context in which many recordings were made, he was very early on on this forum considered a liar and an affabulator, which is absolutely not true, unfortunately since his departure from this forum as an episodic speaker, the informative quality of this forum has been seen to be decreasing, it's a pity because it was a speaker of quality!

love2thenines2003 said:

LoveGalore said:

love2thenines2003 said:

He was treated like shit on this forum by some people, it's a shame to treat a person like him like that because he is a person with first hand information on the recordings and the context in which many recordings were made, he was very early on on this forum considered a liar and an affabulator, which is absolutely not true, unfortunately since his departure from this forum as an episodic speaker, the informative quality of this forum has been seen to be decreasing, it's a pity because it was a speaker of quality!

To be fair, everyone's been treated like shit on this forum before. Rodserling had some unflattering things to say about you, me, and a couple others on his way out from a humiliating defeat. It's his choice what he does with his toys, but let's not start shedding tears for the privileged.

nothing to do with privileged people but with people who have interesting and first hand information to share on this forum, this type of person is more and more rare on this forum and it's a pity, we can thank people like Joris and some others too few who sometimes share with us some intriguing and interesting information!

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

Bertrand said: I'm gonna clue you in on a little something: Prince esta muerte. And they're not going to sue some dudes merely sharing bootlegs. And you're referring to an event that occurred 20 years ago now almost. Prince bootleggers are secretive because of their wheelings and dealings behind the scenes. This person promised this person they wouldn't leak something because it would get back to Prince's inner circle and the rat would be found out. This person swore to another person on his deathbed to never share "Go" etc. And that person, along with the Exorcist we'll call him, are so closely linked to that circle that they even had working configurations of albums done in nigh secrecy. It is smoke and mirrors to suggest that anyone could sue a discord server. And it beggars belief that anyone would think the Prince camp would go thru the petitioning and research and digging to find where folks are hiding so they can... What, sue them in a different country? Lord have mercy. I know Prince fans are old and generally not techy but can you guys get a fucking grip already. This has nothing to do with the dead man's wishes, as is evident from most of the estate's actions.

The estate sent C&D letters to some members on some Discords for sharing unauthorized material, i don't know what the Estate can do tho and it could just be a threat, but the members and the owner of one those servers closed down just to be safe.

The Prince bootleggers are highly avoided by people like the Exorcist guy and he's definitly not in some circle with them. Given the info he sometimes let us regulars know and things he shares with some that other high profile traders or collectors or whatever have never even heard about makes me think he's something else than some 'inner cirlce' type of guy, since some of these inner circle folk don't even know or have most of the things he shares. Not even BigChick knew him or knew about stuff he had.

[Edited 8/22/22 1:57am]

I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical that members of Discord servers have gotten C&D letters. If they did get them, if must have been from activity outside of the server that exposed their indenties, not activity that was exclusive to the server.

I know Estate has sent C&D letters to owners of websites. That was possible for a couple of reasons. A.) A website is public, so the Estate has the opportunity to be aware of IP bootlegging on it. B.) Websites have to be registered, so a lawyer doing a bit of research would have the means of determining the site's owner and contact information.

However, a Discord server is entirely different. It's private, so the Estate couldn't know about IP being bootlegged on it unless they were tipped off, and/or the somehow joined it themselves (i.e. they sent in a mole).

And even if a rep from the Estate was on the Discord server (or was being fed information from a turncoat), the Estate would have no way of know the indentity of Discord members trading bootlegs. All the Etate would know is their username. Members are anonyous. I mean, none of you have ever been able to figure out who Neversin is, so how would the Estate?

I could be wrong, but on the surface it sounds impossible.

On top of that, most C&D orders are worthless. The lawyers who send them out know they're on shaky legal ground and might lose in court, but they count on the the recipient not wanting the effort or expense of a court case. The lawyers know it's easier for the recipient to comply with the C&D than to to fight it, even if the recipient is ultimately likely to win.

[Edited 8/22/22 15:23pm]

lurker316 said:

JorisE73 said:

The estate sent C&D letters to some members on some Discords for sharing unauthorized material, i don't know what the Estate can do tho and it could just be a threat, but the members and the owner of one those servers closed down just to be safe.

The Prince bootleggers are highly avoided by people like the Exorcist guy and he's definitly not in some circle with them. Given the info he sometimes let us regulars know and things he shares with some that other high profile traders or collectors or whatever have never even heard about makes me think he's something else than some 'inner cirlce' type of guy, since some of these inner circle folk don't even know or have most of the things he shares. Not even BigChick knew him or knew about stuff he had.

[Edited 8/22/22 1:57am]

I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical that members of Discord servers have gotten C&D letters. If they did get them, if must have been from activity outside of the server that exposed their indenties, not activity that was exclusive to the server.

I know Estate has sent C&D letters to owners of websites. That was possible for a couple of reasons. A.) A website is public, so the Estate has the opportunity to be aware of IP bootlegging on it. B.) Websites have to be registered, so a lawyer doing a bit of research would have the means of determining the site's owner and contact information.

However, a Discord server is entirely different. It's private, so the Estate couldn't know about IP being bootlegged on it unless they were tipped off, and/or the somehow joined it themselves (i.e. they sent in a mole).

And even if a rep from the Estate was on the Discord server (or was being fed information from a turncoat), the Estate would have no way of know the indentity of Discord members trading bootlegs. All the Etate would know is their username. Members are anonyous. I mean, none of you have ever been able to figure out who Neversin is, so how would the Estate?

I could be wrong, but on the surface it sounds impossible.

On top of that, most C&D orders are worthless. The lawyers who send them out know they're on shaky legal ground and might lose in court, but they count on the the recipient not wanting the effort or expense of a court case. The lawyers know it's easier for the recipient to comply with the C&D than to to fight it, even if the recipient is ultimately likely to win.

[Edited 8/22/22 15:23pm]

I have no idea how private the Discords are but there were/are servers where associates of the Estate were/are on.
And the Estate knows who Neversin is, no doubt about that.
When I got my C&D I had it framed and hung it above my desk

[Edited 8/23/22 0:48am]

Landonfunkmonkey said:

I have never heard of The Exorcist guy before. Has he been known about for long? Is he the same guy as Neversin? [Edited 8/22/22 8:29am]

That;s him.

LoveGalore said:

love2thenines2003 said:

nothing to do with privileged people but with people who have interesting and first hand information to share on this forum, this type of person is more and more rare on this forum and it's a pity, we can thank people like Joris and some others too few who sometimes share with us some intriguing and interesting information!

It does have to do with privileged people because they're naturally going to attract negative attention on top of all the positive attention they no doubt get (and that he certainly got too). People can go where they want but it strikes me as pretty silly when folks are on the org writing him love letters as if he was some long suffering pillar of the community. He wasn't. He was often rude as shit, even before the evil org monsters were long gone. What that sort of person can't escape is flack for statements like, "if u want something to be released then ask the estate." Haha. No honor amongst thieves, I guess.

I guess most people onbly know him from here (when the damage had long been done) and yes he was an asshole most of the time in here, but I've seen his posts since 1995 and this guy was something else back then and I've seen the shit he got poured over him, until people knew better and started sucking up to him and that's when he changed.

These days he's more mellow tho, if you read some of the things he posts or when he joins discussions he's just informative and pretty open and not hostile. Just don't come at him as if he owes us something or are entitled to anything he has because then he'll go off hard.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

love2thenines2003 said: It does have to do with privileged people because they're naturally going to attract negative attention on top of all the positive attention they no doubt get (and that he certainly got too). People can go where they want but it strikes me as pretty silly when folks are on the org writing him love letters as if he was some long suffering pillar of the community. He wasn't. He was often rude as shit, even before the evil org monsters were long gone. What that sort of person can't escape is flack for statements like, "if u want something to be released then ask the estate." Haha. No honor amongst thieves, I guess.

I guess most people onbly know him from here (when the damage had long been done) and yes he was an asshole most of the time in here, but I've seen his posts since 1995 and this guy was something else back then and I've seen the shit he got poured over him, until people knew better and started sucking up to him and that's when he changed.

These days he's more mellow tho, if you read some of the things he posts or when he joins discussions he's just informative and pretty open and not hostile. Just don't come at him as if he owes us something or are entitled to anything he has because then he'll go off hard.

The forum was a great place to be a part of. The moderator and creator (won’t mention his name) tried his best to make it a safe and respectful forum for P fans. You’re right, when NS entered the conversation, you were taken to school, at least for me.

Joris, please check your orgnotes.

JorisE73 said:

lurker316 said:

I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical that members of Discord servers have gotten C&D letters. If they did get them, if must have been from activity outside of the server that exposed their indenties, not activity that was exclusive to the server.

I know Estate has sent C&D letters to owners of websites. That was possible for a couple of reasons. A.) A website is public, so the Estate has the opportunity to be aware of IP bootlegging on it. B.) Websites have to be registered, so a lawyer doing a bit of research would have the means of determining the site's owner and contact information.

However, a Discord server is entirely different. It's private, so the Estate couldn't know about IP being bootlegged on it unless they were tipped off, and/or the somehow joined it themselves (i.e. they sent in a mole).

And even if a rep from the Estate was on the Discord server (or was being fed information from a turncoat), the Estate would have no way of know the indentity of Discord members trading bootlegs. All the Etate would know is their username. Members are anonyous. I mean, none of you have ever been able to figure out who Neversin is, so how would the Estate?

I could be wrong, but on the surface it sounds impossible.

On top of that, most C&D orders are worthless. The lawyers who send them out know they're on shaky legal ground and might lose in court, but they count on the the recipient not wanting the effort or expense of a court case. The lawyers know it's easier for the recipient to comply with the C&D than to to fight it, even if the recipient is ultimately likely to win.

[Edited 8/22/22 15:23pm]

I have no idea how private the Discords are but there were/are servers where associates of the Estate were/are on.
And the Estate knows who Neversin is, no doubt about that.
When I got my C&D I had it framed and hung it above my desk

[Edited 8/23/22 0:48am]

Even if the Estate has spies on a Discord server, they're just seeing anonymous messages. There's no way they could know the identity of the members. Even the owner of server doesn't know that. The only information the owner would have would be the email address they used to invite the member to join the server. (Caveat: unless the member publically disclosed their true identity or gave very big clues.)

I'm sure the Estate does have a good idea of who Neversin is, but it's not from information they got from a server. They would have figured out his identity based on other evidence.

Similarly, if the Estate has sent C&D letters to people on Discord servers, they had to have gotten the information from elsewhere, not the server itself.

lurker316 said:

JorisE73 said:

I have no idea how private the Discords are but there were/are servers where associates of the Estate were/are on.
And the Estate knows who Neversin is, no doubt about that.
When I got my C&D I had it framed and hung it above my desk

[Edited 8/23/22 0:48am]

Even if the Estate has spies on a Discord server, they're just seeing anonymous messages. There's no way they could know the identity of the members. Even the owner of server doesn't know that. The only information the owner would have would be the email address they used to invite the member to join the server. (Caveat: unless the member publically disclosed their true identity or gave very big clues.)

I'm sure the Estate does have a good idea of who Neversin is, but it's not from information they got from a server. They would have figured out his identity based on other evidence.

Similarly, if the Estate has sent C&D letters to people on Discord servers, they had to have gotten the information from elsewhere, not the server itself.

Ah ok.
"The Estate" or at least the people working there have known him for a looooong time, long before Prince died.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

love2thenines2003 said: It does have to do with privileged people because they're naturally going to attract negative attention on top of all the positive attention they no doubt get (and that he certainly got too). People can go where they want but it strikes me as pretty silly when folks are on the org writing him love letters as if he was some long suffering pillar of the community. He wasn't. He was often rude as shit, even before the evil org monsters were long gone. What that sort of person can't escape is flack for statements like, "if u want something to be released then ask the estate." Haha. No honor amongst thieves, I guess.

I guess most people onbly know him from here (when the damage had long been done) and yes he was an asshole most of the time in here, but I've seen his posts since 1995 and this guy was something else back then and I've seen the shit he got poured over him, until people knew better and started sucking up to him and that's when he changed.

These days he's more mellow tho, if you read some of the things he posts or when he joins discussions he's just informative and pretty open and not hostile. Just don't come at him as if he owes us something or are entitled to anything he has because then he'll go off hard.

For years he was great, until significant chunks of the vault started getting released after 2016. Then, when he didn't agree with all the information coming out from the estate he would rag on any orger who didn't agree with him. Shame.

Where does he hang now?