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Reply #60 posted 05/10/22 10:25pm

EnDoRpHn

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lustmealways said:


mods this is not a joke i have the lawyer on the phone they are coming for YOU unless you delete this thread just like the ILLEGALLY UPLOADED pinkcashmere snippet threads!!! please delete now this isn't funny anymore!!!!



Why are they talking to you and not with the mods ?




I read this as “Why are they talking to you and not with your meds?” LOL
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Reply #61 posted 05/10/22 10:35pm

LoveGalore

EnDoRpHn said:

Vannormal said:



lustmealways said:


mods this is not a joke i have the lawyer on the phone they are coming for YOU unless you delete this thread just like the ILLEGALLY UPLOADED pinkcashmere snippet threads!!! please delete now this isn't funny anymore!!!!



Why are they talking to you and not with the mods ?




I read this as “Why are they talking to you and not with your meds?” LOL


Equally important question.
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Reply #62 posted 05/10/22 11:44pm

andrewm7new

Thank you so much for posting this link, and thanks to Mike Batt for posting the song:)

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Reply #63 posted 05/11/22 12:52am

EnglishGent2

lustmealways said:

mods this is not a joke i have the lawyer on the phone they are coming for YOU unless you delete this thread just like the ILLEGALLY UPLOADED pinkcashmere snippet threads!!! please delete now this isn't funny anymore!!!!

Why is it illegal for the writer of the song to upload it on his own youtube channel?

The orger formerly known as https://prince.org/profil...nglishGent
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Reply #64 posted 05/11/22 4:01am

bluegangsta

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EnglishGent2 said:

lustmealways said:

mods this is not a joke i have the lawyer on the phone they are coming for YOU unless you delete this thread just like the ILLEGALLY UPLOADED pinkcashmere snippet threads!!! please delete now this isn't funny anymore!!!!

Why is it illegal for the writer of the song to upload it on his own youtube channel?

Why is it illegal to discuss a recent couple of "Pink Cashmere" leaks on YouTube, without even linking them in their respective threads?

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #65 posted 05/11/22 4:07am

TheEclecticEle
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I was all ready to hate this - I can't stand Katie Melua and I associate Mike Batt primarily with the Wombles and the Tory party. It's lovely though.

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Reply #66 posted 05/11/22 4:35am

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bluegangsta said:

EnglishGent2 said:

Why is it illegal for the writer of the song to upload it on his own youtube channel?

Why is it illegal to discuss a recent couple of "Pink Cashmere" leaks on YouTube, without even linking them in their respective threads?

And then people wonder why people leave the Org en masse. This is sad, really. I know moderating a forum is hard, but this is just sad.

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Reply #67 posted 05/11/22 7:40am

Milty2

It has a bit of the melody resolution of Somewhere Here On Earth.

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Reply #68 posted 05/11/22 11:16am

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Mods are asleep. Even pathological trolling is ok now.


If you're pro human rights, then you should also be very pro freedom from oppression. Anything less is double standards.

If you can add value to someone's life then why not?
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Reply #69 posted 05/11/22 11:16am

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Not gonna lie I teared up a little. Miss him.

if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2
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Reply #70 posted 05/11/22 6:20pm

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It was pulled for a copyright claim by SME
if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2
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Reply #71 posted 05/11/22 10:36pm

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StrangeButTrue said:

It was pulled for a copyright claim by SME

I knew it was a matter of time.
Cant believe my purple psychedelic pimp slap pimp2

And I descend from grace, In arms of undertow
I will take my place, In the great below
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Reply #72 posted 05/12/22 12:29am

fredmagnus

StrangeButTrue said:

It was pulled for a copyright claim by SME

Anyway. We have it now.

Thanks A LOT Mike biggrin

[Edited 5/12/22 0:29am]

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Reply #73 posted 05/12/22 9:22am

johnnieb

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It was pulled for a copyright claim by SME

I do not understand how that works. It's a song written by the guy, Prince is singing it and gave it back to him why would SME have a claim to it? it's not a Prince song. They don't own his voice?

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Reply #74 posted 05/12/22 9:39am

2freaky

Nice song, but Poor Little Bastard it is not.

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Reply #75 posted 05/12/22 10:11am

Milty2

johnnieb said:

StrangeButTrue said:

It was pulled for a copyright claim by SME

I do not understand how that works. It's a song written by the guy, Prince is singing it and gave it back to him why would SME have a claim to it? it's not a Prince song. They don't own his voice?

I bet it's one of those things where SME gets YT to take it down via legal action or whatever but it takes the Wombles guy to dispute it or appeal the decision to reinstate the clip.

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Reply #76 posted 05/12/22 4:19pm

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I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #77 posted 05/12/22 6:29pm

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Marrk said:

I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.


I’m guessing Sony Music Entertainment. Companies like that can hire expensive lawyers to do almost anything they desire.

They also own a piece of the Prince pie.
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Reply #78 posted 05/13/22 2:56am

LoveGalore

Marrk said:

I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.



Fortunately, you can't just make money off other people's likeness or performance without an agreement in place. This is why sometimes artists will work together under the condition there are no official credits stating so (think Lenny Kravitz on Prince records he won't tell us about).

Like with Deliverance, the Prince Estate wants these chuckleheads to go through the proper channels to release music rather than make money off Prince in a way he never actually intended.
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Reply #79 posted 05/13/22 8:09am

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Thank U Prince(r.i.p.).......

I guess your beautiful dancer friend was right about what U replied to her about her ? to your unreleased MUZIQ.

[Edited 5/13/22 8:15am]

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #80 posted 05/13/22 9:33am

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LoveGalore said:

Marrk said:

I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.

Fortunately, you can't just make money off other people's likeness or performance without an agreement in place. This is why sometimes artists will work together under the condition there are no official credits stating so (think Lenny Kravitz on Prince records he won't tell us about). Like with Deliverance, the Prince Estate wants these chuckleheads to go through the proper channels to release music rather than make money off Prince in a way he never actually intended.

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See in my opinion what Prince intended is unclear as he left no final instructions/wishes for his work.

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Reply #81 posted 05/13/22 9:35am

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LoveGalore said:

Marrk said:

I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.

Fortunately, you can't just make money off other people's likeness or performance without an agreement in place. This is why sometimes artists will work together under the condition there are no official credits stating so (think Lenny Kravitz on Prince records he won't tell us about). Like with Deliverance, the Prince Estate wants these chuckleheads to go through the proper channels to release music rather than make money off Prince in a way he never actually intended.


What you're saying is general accurate, but it doesn't necessarily apply in this situation.

1.) Generally speaking, once you give something to another person -- abscent an explicit agreement otherwise -- they become the legal owner and do with it as they please. In this case, we don't know what, if any, condidtions Prince placed on his providing vocals to the track.

It wouldn't surprise me if Prince agreed to provide them under the condition that the song never be released, but we just don't know. And if there was an agreement, it might have been verbal (knowing of Prince's supposed disdain for written contracts). Verbal agreements are legally binding, but harder to prove.

2.) In this case, no one was profiting off of prince's likeness or performance. Mike Batt shared the video for free. He didn't make a single penny off of it. Perhaps you could argue YouTube was making money if there were ads associated with it, in which case the cease-and-desist would be directed at them, not Mr. Batt.

3.) It's good to keep in mind that just because a corporation issues a cease-and-desist notice, that doesn't mean the law is actually on its side. In fact, frequently corporations mis-state and/or mis-apply the law in cease-and-desist notices.

Corporations are bullies. They count on the fact that recipients of ceases-and-desist notice will be ignorant of their rights and/or will not have the financial resources to fight back in court. Understandably, people usually do roll over and capituate because it's easier than fighting. But when they do fight back, it's not unsual for courts agree that a cease-and-desist order was baseless.


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Reply #82 posted 05/13/22 6:53pm

LoveGalore

lurker316 said:



LoveGalore said:


Marrk said:

I'm out of the loop here. SME? who are they? What do the initials SME even stand for? Whoever, not sure they have grounds to block this. It's Mike Batt's IP, words and music, not Prince's, not owned by PP. Seems petty.



Fortunately, you can't just make money off other people's likeness or performance without an agreement in place. This is why sometimes artists will work together under the condition there are no official credits stating so (think Lenny Kravitz on Prince records he won't tell us about). Like with Deliverance, the Prince Estate wants these chuckleheads to go through the proper channels to release music rather than make money off Prince in a way he never actually intended.


What you're saying is general accurate, but it doesn't necessarily apply in this situation.

1.) Generally speaking, once you give something to another person -- abscent an explicit agreement otherwise -- they become the legal owner and do with it as they please. In this case, we don't know what, if any, condidtions Prince placed on his providing vocals to the track.

It wouldn't surprise me if Prince agreed to provide them under the condition that the song never be released, but we just don't know. And if there was an agreement, it might have been verbal (knowing of Prince's supposed disdain for written contracts). Verbal agreements are legally binding, but harder to prove.

2.) In this case, no one was profiting off of prince's likeness or performance. Mike Batt shared the video for free. He didn't make a single penny off of it. Perhaps you could argue YouTube was making money if there were ads associated with it, in which case the cease-and-desist would be directed at them, not Mr. Batt.

3.) It's good to keep in mind that just because a corporation issues a cease-and-desist notice, that doesn't mean the law is actually on its side. In fact, frequently corporations mis-state and/or mis-apply the law in cease-and-desist notices.

Corporations are bullies. They count on the fact that recipients of ceases-and-desist notice will be ignorant of their rights and/or will not have the financial resources to fight back in court. Understandably, people usually do roll over and capituate because it's easier than fighting. But when they do fight back, it's not unsual for courts agree that a cease-and-desist order was baseless.




All great points.

I'd just like to offer:

Since we don't know what agreements did or did not exist, it's a crapshoot and anyone can guess anything with the same amount of credence at this point.

Historically, Prince detested people releasing music with him on it if there wasn't some sort of agreement between him and the other person.

Releasing music for free on YouTube does not at all mean the publisher doesn't .ake money off the endeavor. That's what the Depp vs Heard case is really all about - projections based on indirect sales (or lack thereof).

I reckon Prince didn't intend for Mike to release this song. The song screams "scratch take" and there was nearly a decade between Prince recording it and his death. Like with Deliverance, Prince never historically relinquished his right to recoup money for performances where he was top billed or lead vocalist.

Him doing a demo for Mike to indicate how he wanted to rework the song live does not give Mike the right to pretend he now has permission to gain clout off a dead musician's clearly higher status in the world of pop.

I like the song. But I also like that the Estate doesn't just turn a blind eye to people who feel it's their right to dilute a legacy that was meticulously curated by the artist himself (like it or not, Prince made intentional choices to do or not do what he pleased with the ungodly amount of music he created).
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