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Thread started 05/02/22 8:49am

2freaky

Thoughts on Vagina, tha song...lol

Controversial lyrics, to be sure, especially in woketopia. Amazing guitar riff, simple but pure. Decent vocals, no stupendous song but quite different from his other stuff. You wish he had a whole album with this guitar sound. Punk/funk up the arse. Whoops. Besta both worlds ya freaks. hugs.

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Reply #1 posted 05/02/22 11:16am

laytonian

That and Bambi. There are rumors about someone he had a crush on and we know about Coleman and Melvoin. I think he was curious about the scene....only to be "cool". Guys have fantasies about two women together (right?).

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Reply #2 posted 05/02/22 11:36am

nayroo2002

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Prince played BAMBI on the Ellen Show.

Cheeky enough???

"Whatever skin Ur in
we all need 2 b friends"
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Reply #3 posted 05/02/22 11:45am

TrivialPursuit

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I would've liked to hear it fleshed out more, a solid album-ready take.

To me, it was Prince continuing to push and explore sexuality, gender, and what he could get away with. I believe the lyrics would've been controversial then, but maybe not now so much. Which says a lot, really. There was a lot of controversial stuff back then. Wendy O. Williams with electrical tape on her nipps, tits out. Iggy Pop naked on stage. The New York Dolls in glam drag. Bowie in whatever he was wearing that day. There were a lot of folks upsetting the conservative patriarchy.

Prince didn't invent that wave, he rode it in his own way, as many artists did. He was definitely a squeaky wheel. But on a positive tip, he inadvertently became an icon of sexuality for men. And for women. I remember a line from Austin Powers, where Vanessa's mother, Mrs. Kensington, remembered her affair with Powers. "Men wanted to be him, women wanted to be with him."

I think we're still unwrapping the levels of androgyny, inter-sexuality, and transgender people. That extends beyond "Vagina." "Sister" is almost dark humor or satire, instead of a true story. But it touches a few taboos beyond incest. it stabs at human trafficking, prostitution, child abuse, and statutory rape. "Sexuality" delves into hot topics, as do a slew of other songs.

"Vagina," had it been released back then, would've given the PMRC a community stroke.

Sometimes I feel like I could write a short book on just Prince's forays into sexuality and gender through songs like this.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 05/02/22 12:23pm

LoveGalore

Vagina is closer to what I would've wanted The Truth to be than what The Truth became.
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Reply #5 posted 05/02/22 3:20pm

rockford

nayroo2002 said:

Prince played BAMBI on the Ellen Show.

Cheeky enough???

If by cheeky you mean asshole-like, then yes.

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Reply #6 posted 05/02/22 3:41pm

wonderboy

I'm a big fan. Of the song, much less so.

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Reply #7 posted 05/03/22 4:13pm

2freaky

The Truth is the truth

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Reply #8 posted 05/16/22 9:59am

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I remember seeing an interview and reading articles about how "Vagina" was originally going to be Denise's stage name. She rejected that concept, and "Vanity" was the final outcome.

Now, I don't see Denise Matthew's as "half boy, half girl". She was all woman! Just saying that the Vagina name was a concept that was noodling around in Prince's head during that time.

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Reply #9 posted 05/16/22 10:28am

TrivialPursuit

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Se7en said:

I remember seeing an interview and reading articles about how "Vagina" was originally going to be Denise's stage name. She rejected that concept, and "Vanity" was the final outcome.

Now, I don't see Denise Matthew's as "half boy, half girl". She was all woman! Just saying that the Vagina name was a concept that was noodling around in Prince's head during that time.


Vagina was always in Prince's head, let's no mince words here.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #10 posted 05/16/22 3:31pm

LoveGalore

Se7en said:

I remember seeing an interview and reading articles about how "Vagina" was originally going to be Denise's stage name. She rejected that concept, and "Vanity" was the final outcome.

Now, I don't see Denise Matthew's as "half boy, half girl". She was all woman! Just saying that the Vagina name was a concept that was noodling around in Prince's head during that time.



I mean, you're being quite literal I think, but Prince always talked about the duality of gender expression with women like Vanity, Sheila, and Cat. These were women who were CLEARLY gorgeous female specimens but, in modern terms, were always also bossed up and had a very strong (aka masculine) vibe. I think that is the point - not literal hermaphrodite or transsexual people. Women who were essentially femme fatales.

Let's be clear - Prince was pretty smart and had a lot of wisdom about a lot of things but he was not very articulate when it comes to complex gender issues.

I think it's obvious that his vision of Vagina & The Hookers was to take an oft-ridiculed female archetype and transpose a male/strong identity overtop. He succeeded in that with V6 because though they were all dressed in lingerie and had their various character types, they were meant to be strong women. This is exemplified by Brenda's cigarette smoking and short haircut as well as Vanity wearing a tux jacket with tails over her bustier.
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Reply #11 posted 05/17/22 12:13am

andrewm7new

I like the song. It is also interesting from the perspective that there were not that many songs about people who were trans/other gendered at the time. I kind of wish he had released it in 1982.

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Reply #12 posted 05/26/22 10:10pm

woogiebear

rockford said:

nayroo2002 said:

Prince played BAMBI on the Ellen Show.

Cheeky enough???

If by cheeky you mean asshole-like, then yes.

As much as Ellen has Bullied People on Her Show, Prince Performing "Bambi" on Her Show is the ULTIMATE F**K U 2 the Bully!!!

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