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Ultimate Come & Gold articles now updated on Prince Vs. WB-blog

In the past month, the Prince Vs. WB blog featuring the updated and revised editions of the legendary Ultimate Come and Gold articles originally published on Prince.org as well as other chapters covering the 1993-1998 era of all things prince has been thoroughly revised again. biggrin

Besides linking to all the YouTube videoes from this era, there is now a wealth of pictures! biggrin The Prince Vs. WB blog is strictly non-profit and no copyright infringements are intended - only to have it appear as much as a time-capsule as possible - like a historical document for those who can't get enough of this great era in Prince history. wink

If you haven't read the blog recently, there is now major changes like a track list for the April 1994 Come album configuration! biggrin And a Gold album tracklist said to have been from February 1994 has been revealed to actually be a combination of a Come single and The Vault Volume I resulting in major changes for the Gold chapter - including a previously believed April 1994 configuration being moved to January 1994. eek

Also, the chapter about Chaos And Disorder has been thoroughly reworked because it was revealed that the 1996 album evolved from a The Vault Volume II collection from October 1994. eyepop

And these are just the major updates! smile

VaultCurator and TheSilentMikey were instrumental in bringing this major overhaul of Prince Vs. WB: The Fans Lost about so it now presents the most accurate information possible about this era. If you haven't read it in a while, give it a go and see what's new! biggrin

Here's the link: https://princevswarners.blogspot.com/

Please enjoy the experience! biggrin

And of course, if you have any corrections or anything to add, feel free to get in touch. wink

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Scifi

1 May 2022

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Reply #1 posted 05/02/22 4:53am

Chappers72

scififilmnerd said:

In the past month, the Prince Vs. WB blog featuring the updated and revised editions of the legendary Ultimate Come and Gold articles originally published on Prince.org as well as other chapters covering the 1993-1998 era of all things prince has been thoroughly revised again. biggrin



Besides linking to all the YouTube videoes from this era, there is now a wealth of pictures! biggrin The Prince Vs. WB blog is strictly non-profit and no copyright infringements are intended - only to have it appear as much as a time-capsule as possible - like a historical document for those who can't get enough of this great era in Prince history. wink



If you haven't read the blog recently, there is now major changes like a track list for the April 1994 Come album configuration! biggrin And a Gold album tracklist said to have been from February 1994 has been revealed to actually be a combination of a Come single and The Vault Volume I resulting in major changes for the Gold chapter - including a previously believed April 1994 configuration being moved to January 1994. eek



Also, the chapter about Chaos And Disorder has been thoroughly reworked because it was revealed that the 1996 album evolved from a The Vault Volume II collection from October 1994. eyepop



And these are just the major updates! smile



VaultCurator and TheSilentMikey were instrumental in bringing this major overhaul of Prince Vs. WB: The Fans Lost about so it now presents the most accurate information possible about this era. If you haven't read it in a while, give it a go and see what's new! biggrin



Here's the link: https://princevswarners.blogspot.com/



Please enjoy the experience! biggrin



And of course, if you have any corrections or anything to add, feel free to get in touch. wink



Best


Scifi


1 May 2022



These articles in my opinion are the best on this whole forum, ever.
Cheers for updating
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Reply #2 posted 05/02/22 7:54am

fredmagnus

Agreed.

These articles are amazing.

Thanks to all involved.

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Reply #3 posted 05/02/22 8:11am

LoveGalore

The only thing I don't care for on these articles is the editorializing. "This music wasn't good" type commentary. Says who?
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Reply #4 posted 05/02/22 9:16am

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LoveGalore said:

The only thing I don't care for on these articles is the editorializing. "This music wasn't good" type commentary. Says who?


I understand what you're saying. Including opinions on the music can be distracting, like when the blog cites The Chocolate Invasion as one of the few works of greatest Prince had after the mid-90's. When you read something like that, it takes you out of the factual narrative of events and side-tracks you with subjective, highly debatable topics. It's like interjecting politics in the middle of a story that doesn't have to be political, riling up your readers unnecessarily and diverting the focus. When you're trying to be informative, it's better to steer clear of being opinionated.

But hey, it's Scifi's blog, so if he wants to inject his opinions within the factual narrative, so be it. It wouldn't be my approach, but that's what makes this world great -- everyone has their own approach.





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Reply #5 posted 05/02/22 9:33am

LoveGalore

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LoveGalore said:


The only thing I don't care for on these articles is the editorializing. "This music wasn't good" type commentary. Says who?


I understand what you're saying. Including opinions on the music can be distracting, like when the blog cites The Chocolate Invasion as one of the few works of greatest Prince had after the mid-90's. When you read something like that, it takes you out of the factual narrative of events and side-tracks you with subjective, highly debatable topics. It's like interjecting politics in the middle of a story that doesn't have to be political, riling up your readers unnecessarily and diverting the focus. When you're trying to be informative, it's better to steer clear of being opinionated.

But hey, it's Scifi's blog, so if he wants to inject his opinions within the factual narrative, so be it. It wouldn't be my approach, but that's what makes this world great -- everyone has their own approach.







Exactly my thoughts! I only mention it because I really think the whole trove of info is incredible. I just find myself taken out of it and wanting to argue at points - who says this is "strong" or "weak" material? When we present our opinions alongside facts but don't distinguish the two it becomes really muddy.
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Reply #6 posted 05/02/22 11:08pm

Chappers72

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lurker316 said:



LoveGalore said:


The only thing I don't care for on these articles is the editorializing. "This music wasn't good" type commentary. Says who?


I understand what you're saying. Including opinions on the music can be distracting, like when the blog cites The Chocolate Invasion as one of the few works of greatest Prince had after the mid-90's. When you read something like that, it takes you out of the factual narrative of events and side-tracks you with subjective, highly debatable topics. It's like interjecting politics in the middle of a story that doesn't have to be political, riling up your readers unnecessarily and diverting the focus. When you're trying to be informative, it's better to steer clear of being opinionated.

But hey, it's Scifi's blog, so if he wants to inject his opinions within the factual narrative, so be it. It wouldn't be my approach, but that's what makes this world great -- everyone has their own approach.







Exactly my thoughts! I only mention it because I really think the whole trove of info is incredible. I just find myself taken out of it and wanting to argue at points - who says this is "strong" or "weak" material? When we present our opinions alongside facts but don't distinguish the two it becomes really muddy.


Too deep for me, I just read it all and ate it up.
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Reply #7 posted 05/03/22 1:23am

Nightcrawler

Absolutely fantastic - thank you for the link!
Just like the sun, the rainbow children rise...
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Reply #8 posted 05/03/22 11:40am

SoulAlive

this blog is great! I remember that era and it was a wild,unpredictable time smile

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Reply #9 posted 05/03/22 1:28pm

LoveGalore

Chappers72 said:

LoveGalore said:



Exactly my thoughts! I only mention it because I really think the whole trove of info is incredible. I just find myself taken out of it and wanting to argue at points - who says this is "strong" or "weak" material? When we present our opinions alongside facts but don't distinguish the two it becomes really muddy.


Too deep for me, I just read it all and ate it up.


Well, obviously this conversation didn't occur while we were reading the material.
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Reply #10 posted 05/03/22 4:34pm

EnDoRpHn

I could do without the pontificating and editorializing.

Lots of missing context.
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Reply #11 posted 05/04/22 12:03pm

CoolMF

Wow. Long but great read. A few comments:

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-I was in college in DC during this period and remember being very disallusioned as a Prince fan- wasn't feeling the Beautiful Girl single, Come, C&D, or Gold. All of the albums underwhelmed me and I wasn't aware of the bootleg culture so this is my 1st hearing of "superior" Come and Gold configurations.

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-Don't know how it was everywhere else, but I remember the songs Beautiful Girl, Love Sign, and I Hate You as being big hits in the DC area back then. The only bright spot for me during this time was Exodus.

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Reply #12 posted 05/08/22 8:45am

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I think the most obvious lack on the blog is a link to the Peach music video on YouTube, but unfortunately it's nowhere to be found there. sad Maybe the Estate is saving it for it's 30th anniversary next year? razz And they really oughtta make some kind of Come/Gold era Super Deluxe release for 2024 - the 30th anniversary. biggrin Someone please tell Michael Howe to get right on it as soon as he's done with the Parade Super Deluxe Edition which I'm sure he's busy wrapping up now. razz

rainbow woot! FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION! woot! rainbow
rainbow woot! FREE THE JANUARY 1994 THE GOLD ALBUM CONFIGURATION woot! rainbow
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Reply #13 posted 05/09/22 10:28pm

Vannormal

LoveGalore said:

The only thing I don't care for on these articles is the editorializing. "This music wasn't good" type commentary. Says who?

True. It's basically always irrelvant to state if music is good or not.

An interestingly argued study could possibly help, but still the beauty of a song belongs to everyone's ears and brain, and best cannot be judged here on .ORG. wink

You can always agree to disagree not liking a song personally at best.

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Love the article by the way. smile

Lot's of info i did not know.

An era i did not care much about.

Makes me wanna jump into it again, and relisten to it all.

Thank you !

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S U P P O R T --- U K R A I N E --- N O W --- 4 --- MORE PEACE !!!
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #14 posted 05/12/22 5:00am

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I just added mention of the summer 1994 Come single b/w Endorphin Machine and Hide The Bone having a "live" (in the studio) feel to coincide with the summer 1994 Love Experience tour. biggrin Now, imagine the kind of tour The Love Experience could have been if Warner Bros had released the March 1994 Come and Gold Experience albums simultaneously as per prince's wish and put money in him touring in support of the releases. omg A large scale world tour featuring The NPG augmented by The NPG Hornz and the ErotiCity dancers complementing Mayte in choreographies by Jamie King? love

[Edited 5/12/22 5:04am]

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Reply #15 posted 05/12/22 11:39am

NME01

Loved this write-up.

I wonder what made him fall out with the NPG all of a sudden? Pure speculation, but I wonder if he felt they let him down not having ‘star power’ to propel his post-WB status to the level he had come to expect.
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Reply #16 posted 05/12/22 11:59am

SoulAlive

scififilmnerd said:

I just added mention of the summer 1994 Come single b/w Endorphin Machine and Hide The Bone having a "live" (in the studio) feel to coincide with the summer 1994 Love Experience tour. biggrin Now, imagine the kind of tour The Love Experience could have been if Warner Bros had released the March 1994 Come and Gold Experience albums simultaneously as per prince's wish and put money in him touring in support of the releases. omg A large scale world tour featuring The NPG augmented by The NPG Hornz and the ErotiCity dancers complementing Mayte in choreographies by Jamie King? love

This is not a popular opinion,but....I think Prince should have only submitted the Gold Experience album to Warners and that album should have been released in the summer of 1994.Forget about Come. boxed imagine TGE being released in the summer of 1994,only a few months after its first single (TMBGITW) became a big hit.And remember,at that point,the album still had great tracks like "Ripopgodazippa" and "Days Of Wild".He could have added "Love Sign",too.1994 would have been a really impressive year for Prince!

Instead,he released a low-key album (Come) that went nowhere and was quickly forgotten confused

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Reply #17 posted 05/12/22 12:57pm

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SoulAlive said:

scififilmnerd said:

I just added mention of the summer 1994 Come single b/w Endorphin Machine and Hide The Bone having a "live" (in the studio) feel to coincide with the summer 1994 Love Experience tour. biggrin Now, imagine the kind of tour The Love Experience could have been if Warner Bros had released the March 1994 Come and Gold Experience albums simultaneously as per prince's wish and put money in him touring in support of the releases. omg A large scale world tour featuring The NPG augmented by The NPG Hornz and the ErotiCity dancers complementing Mayte in choreographies by Jamie King? love

This is not a popular opinion,but....I think Prince should have only submitted the Gold Experience album to Warners and that album should have been released in the summer of 1994.Forget about Come. boxed imagine TGE being released in the summer of 1994,only a few months after its first single (TMBGITW) became a big hit.And remember,at that point,the album still had great tracks like "Ripopgodazippa" and "Days Of Wild".He could have added "Love Sign",too.1994 would have been a really impressive year for Prince!

Instead,he released a low-key album (Come) that went nowhere and was quickly forgotten confused

I agree. biggrin I think I also say that in the Come chapter - that he should have skipped Come (and let it become mythical like The Black Album) and release The Gold Experience instead. smile But he wanted to give WB music from The Vault = Come and by the time The Gold Experience got released, it was from The Vault too. lol

rainbow woot! FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION! woot! rainbow
rainbow woot! FREE THE JANUARY 1994 THE GOLD ALBUM CONFIGURATION woot! rainbow
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Reply #18 posted 05/12/22 1:36pm

SoulAlive

scififilmnerd said:

SoulAlive said:

This is not a popular opinion,but....I think Prince should have only submitted the Gold Experience album to Warners and that album should have been released in the summer of 1994.Forget about Come. boxed imagine TGE being released in the summer of 1994,only a few months after its first single (TMBGITW) became a big hit.And remember,at that point,the album still had great tracks like "Ripopgodazippa" and "Days Of Wild".He could have added "Love Sign",too.1994 would have been a really impressive year for Prince!

Instead,he released a low-key album (Come) that went nowhere and was quickly forgotten confused

I agree. biggrin I think I also say that in the Come chapter - that he should have skipped Come (and let it become mythical like The Black Album) and release The Gold Experience instead. smile But he wanted to give WB music from The Vault = Come and by the time The Gold Experience got released, it was from The Vault too. lol

Indeed! And he could have went on tour throughout the summer/fall of 1994...the "Days Of Wild" world tour!

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[Edited 5/12/22 13:44pm]

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Reply #19 posted 05/16/22 9:43am

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Loose! was a huge dance hit in summer/fall 1994, at least in the Detroit area. We would hear that pretty much every time we went out. Of course NIN's "Closer" was the much bigger club song at that time.

I was in a new relationship in 1994, and I remember just overall how it was an "off" year for me, which when Prince released Come kind of was par for that year. 1995, the relationship wasn't much better but at least The Gold Experience came out!


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