LoveGalore said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am not sure Camille is female... Camille was a boy in the Lovesexy book was he not?

He said feminine, not female. Boys do come in feminine types. Just look at Prince.

This is me agreeing with you and adding to the conversation, FYI.

I sorta think, before it was a word, Prince's Camille and similar was genderqueer or genderfuck. Non-binary, like myself, for sure.

TrivialPursuit said:

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LoveGalore said:

I think you're right. Prince seemed to be obsessed with genderqueer and proto-trans concepts way before it was even talked about on tv or elsewhere. Look at "Vagina" too. And I think songs like "Head" matter in the conversation as well because nobody says eating pussy is giving head. That's always been distinctly a thing you do on men, even if it was occasionally used otherwise.

And, to add to your point, he did embrace that Gemini side, and talked to Oprah about both sides of himself. So clearly, that manifest in various ways over the years. "Vagina" is such a good example, too. But there are also other moments like "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much, boy or girl...", or "if I gave you diamonds and pearls, would u b a happy boy or a girl," (appealing to either gender, again).

Also, he was doing feminine voices before Camille, because who's voice was it on "If A Girl Answers, Don't Hang Up?" It was him. And frankly, it was more Prince than female.

I, too, was also sorta questioning his choice of the word "head" for eating pussy. Was it always called that? "I gave her head last night." Was that a thing? If it was, I never heard it. Head seems to relate directly to the head of the penis. But, on the other hand, a bathroom on a ship is called a head. Why? Because on olden days ships the toilet was at the - wait for it - head (or front) of the ship. Folks were "going to the head" of the ship to piss or shit. So - head being "on the front" could be where he used that.

Or he just took an oral sex term in general and switched it up. Or maybe, he suc.... nah.

TrivialPursuit said:

EmmaMcG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

I think you're right. Prince seemed to be obsessed with genderqueer and proto-trans concepts way before it was even talked about on tv or elsewhere. Look at "Vagina" too. And I think songs like "Head" matter in the conversation as well because nobody says eating pussy is giving head. That's always been distinctly a thing you do on men, even if it was occasionally used otherwise.

And, to add to your point, he did embrace that Gemini side, and talked to Oprah about both sides of himself. So clearly, that manifest in various ways over the years. "Vagina" is such a good example, too. But there are also other moments like "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much, boy or girl...", or "if I gave you diamonds and pearls, would u b a happy boy or a girl," (appealing to either gender, again).

Also, he was doing feminine voices before Camille, because who's voice was it on "If A Girl Answers, Don't Hang Up?" It was him. And frankly, it was more Prince than female.

I, too, was also sorta questioning his choice of the word "head" for eating pussy. Was it always called that? "I gave her head last night." Was that a thing? If it was, I never heard it. Head seems to relate directly to the head of the penis. But, on the other hand, a bathroom on a ship is called a head. Why? Because on olden days ships the toilet was at the - wait for it - head (or front) of the ship. Folks were "going to the head" of the ship to piss or shit. So - head being "on the front" could be where he used that.

Or he just took an oral sex term in general and switched it up. Or maybe, he suc.... nah.

LoL yes, the term "head" can and has been used as a term for oral sex for both men and women.

Also, I always thought that the "boy or a girl" line in Diamonds & Pearls was Prince talking to his future children. Maybe due to a bunch of kids appearing in the video. Either way, I don't think Prince was alluding to being bisexual or anything. But that's just my interpretation.

Don't forget that he also said "my claim to fame is scandal" so I have a feeling that a lot of his lyrics were designed to create conversations like these amongst his fanbase so in that regard, mission accomplished
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LoveGalore said:

EmmaMcG said:

LoL yes, the term "head" can and has been used as a term for oral sex for both men and women.

Also, I always thought that the "boy or a girl" line in Diamonds & Pearls was Prince talking to his future children. Maybe due to a bunch of kids appearing in the video. Either way, I don't think Prince was alluding to being bisexual or anything. But that's just my interpretation.

Don't forget that he also said "my claim to fame is scandal" so I have a feeling that a lot of his lyrics were designed to create conversations like these amongst his fanbase so in that regard, mission accomplished
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Right, but the phrase is clearly almost always referring to a blowjob not eating a girl out. Sort of like the phrase "having sex" almost always refers to penetrative sex but can also be used for non penetrative sex.

I'm pretty sure Prince knew he was being cheeky with the phrase and that may have impacted why he stopped playing it live by the end of the 80s.

cant wait to see this released.

and am curious to see if it ends up being released in a plain sleeve or if they go with the illustrations.

i think jack will do it right, in a way that most people wont fault, as he is quite thorough and meticulous that way. though, make no mistake, this will be an estate release, ie overseen by them, not totally controlled by third man exclusively. hopefully though as its just a single disc issue, and not a big box set, there is less potential for fans to gripe about anything.

i love jack, or at least i loved the white stripes. still like hearing what he has to say, but his music has become way too overstuffed and maximal since he went solo, and i think its too easy for him now to not really try very hard. maybe as he has a big subscriber base, not sure, but hes not been very exciting for a while. i will check out the new one at some point.

EmmaMcG said:

LoveGalore said:

I do believe that a lot of earlier Prince stuff was for the purpose of finding the edge and seeing how close he could get to it, as he admitted on Arsenio. He was thinking with his dick, and his dick made him millions and a household name.

But as he got more confident in himself as a person and musician, and realized he could shelter himself from negativity or whatever, then he started to open up the generqueer stuff more. The constant boy and girl references are in plethora. Even in "I Would Die 4 U," it was, "I'm not a woman, I'm not a man, I am something that you'll never understand."

He really played with BDSM and lesbianism here and there, too, and not just "Bambi."

TrivialPursuit said:

I, too, was also sorta questioning his choice of the word "head" for eating pussy. Was it always called that?

Similarly, I don't think I've ever heard the term "jack off" used in the context of masturbating a woman, anywhere else other than in the song 'Jack U Off'.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

I think you're right. Prince seemed to be obsessed with genderqueer and proto-trans concepts way before it was even talked about on tv or elsewhere. Look at "Vagina" too. And I think songs like "Head" matter in the conversation as well because nobody says eating pussy is giving head. That's always been distinctly a thing you do on men, even if it was occasionally used otherwise.

And, to add to your point, he did embrace that Gemini side, and talked to Oprah about both sides of himself. So clearly, that manifest in various ways over the years. "Vagina" is such a good example, too. But there are also other moments like "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much, boy or girl...", or "if I gave you diamonds and pearls, would u b a happy boy or a girl," (appealing to either gender, again).

Also, he was doing feminine voices before Camille, because who's voice was it on "If A Girl Answers, Don't Hang Up?" It was him. And frankly, it was more Prince than female.

I, too, was also sorta questioning his choice of the word "head" for eating pussy. Was it always called that? "I gave her head last night." Was that a thing? If it was, I never heard it. Head seems to relate directly to the head of the penis. But, on the other hand, a bathroom on a ship is called a head. Why? Because on olden days ships the toilet was at the - wait for it - head (or front) of the ship. Folks were "going to the head" of the ship to piss or shit. So - head being "on the front" could be where he used that.

Or he just took an oral sex term in general and switched it up. Or maybe, he suc.... nah.

OMG, so was the bride to be on 'Head' a trans woman on her way to get married?? That song just got way cooler

VaultCurator said:

LoveGalore said:

VaultCurator said:

EmmaMcG said:

EmmaMcG said:

"...There are some people on here I'd like to keep in touch with. But mostly, I won't miss this place at all."

You don't have to leave Prince.org just because you're going to Japan.

BlueShakooo said:

SoulAlive said:

Mindbells9 said:

EmmaMcG said:

BlueShakooo said:

EmmaMcG said:

BlueShakooo said:

You don't have to leave Prince.org just because you're going to Japan.

I'm leaving for other reasons. The timing just matches up nicely so I figured I'd set myself a deadline. Otherwise, I'd have already deleted my account.

I wish you all the best in whatever comes along and with whatever you do!

Enjoy Japan. I really enjoyed it.

-

It is an unusual country that is difficult to read at first, but try to share some alcohol with the locals, and everything will come loose.

Nature is stunning, cities can be ugly, but their inheritance and parks are so beautiful.

You basically won't find much beaches with people taking a swim, you'll see.

Both north and south island are so different but both beautiful. try to visit the isle of Okinawa.

You will have to deal with a collective society rather than the individual society we're use to.

Oh, and keep your tattoos nicely hidden (in the beginning).

And never be loud.

And listen to the electronic bird sounds which are different in every Shinkansen railway station. (It's for the blind people I heard).

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Vannormal said: