...surely not. Aologies if this is already a thread.

Although I suspect anti-Tony M fans will be delighted! Can't imagine this to be true - 2 very differetnt artistic visions & 2 very different messages. Does a hybrid suggest they just take the best tracks from each? Forgive me but what the heck would you drop from each...Symbol/Love album is stellar & NONE should be removed, D&P - I guess Jughead can go but I'd keep the rest !

So a combined 28 or so tracks pared down to I guess 1 double album of say 16? - where do you even begin?

Thoughts, suggested tracklists etc welcome.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

...surely not. Aologies if this is already a thread.

Although I suspect anti-Tony M fans will be delighted! Can't imagine this to be true - 2 very differetnt artistic visions & 2 very different messages. Does a hybrid suggest they just take the best tracks from each? Forgive me but what the heck would you drop from each...Symbol/Love album is stellar & NONE should be removed, D&P - I guess Jughead can go but I'd keep the rest !

So a combined 28 or so tracks pared down to I guess 1 double album of say 16? - where do you even begin?

Thoughts, suggested tracklists etc welcome.

If they combined them, why would they need to drop tracks? Just release it as a double album with outtakes from both. I'm not sayin that would be a good thing or that I'd want it. I'm just saying I don't understand your assumption that songs would be dropped.

lurker316 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

...surely not. Aologies if this is already a thread.

Although I suspect anti-Tony M fans will be delighted! Can't imagine this to be true - 2 very differetnt artistic visions & 2 very different messages. Does a hybrid suggest they just take the best tracks from each? Forgive me but what the heck would you drop from each...Symbol/Love album is stellar & NONE should be removed, D&P - I guess Jughead can go but I'd keep the rest !

So a combined 28 or so tracks pared down to I guess 1 double album of say 16? - where do you even begin?

Thoughts, suggested tracklists etc welcome.

If they combined them, why would they need to drop tracks? Just release it as a double album with outtakes from both. I'm not sayin that would be a good thing or that I'd want it. I'm just saying I don't understand your assumption that songs would be dropped.

Exacly. The S stands for super and it wouldn't be very super if they dropped tracks.

nosajd said:

It's not a rumor. It's something you made up under the guise of a rumor just to field opinions on everyone's favorite tracks from both. Where'd you hear the rumor? Link? Source?

This is not a rumour, it's a lie!

D&P is Prince's second biggest selling album.

It's Prince's Purple Rain of the '90s.

If, and when, this gets a deluxe treatment, this will be a full-scale release with a significant marketing campaign.

Until we have a press release and release date there is no point in anyone wasting their life speculating.

darkroman said:

Maybe not for thoes 2 albums but YES for the first 4....if not all 4? But the issue is who owns what?

I would love to see these 2 albums merged....

knock out jughead and other clunkers on D&P and a culled down version of Symbol

But that would be like all of us agreeing on a single disc Emancipation... so, not gonna happen.

So, while I am not a big fan of D&P era.... when I talk to younger people... I mean people in their mid to late 30's.... this is their Prince album...

It is kind of like LETS DANCE by David Bowie... a genius needed an album that would allow him to 'contend' again...

To the people that knew and loved the earlier stuff - it probably didn't register

But for the younger people - it was their starting point.

I was 9/10 when Lets Dance came out... I loved it, bought it and started going a little further back in his catalog when I had enough paper route money saved up... which usually meant between prince albums / singles because ALL of my $ went there first!

just a thought

LoveGalore said:

I can't imagine people wanting them to go in and edit prince's albums like that. No thanks. What an artistic travesty that would be, on top of weird and morbid and presumptuous, etc. No.

Let's be clear, for the sake of saying it, no one has ever suggested it that is part of the estate or otherwise. This is a fan's pipe dream.

And honestly, if a fan wants to mush-mush down the two, then go for it. Make your own Diamonds Pearls hybrid. Do you, boo.

The rest of us - not so much. What's next? We gonna put SOTT & Lovesexy together? Try to boil down Dirty Mind and Controversy?

Have all the seats.

nosajd said:

MIRvmn1 said:

nosajd said:

Stupid. Each album deserves their own SDE.

I agree. But unfortunately I think a D&P/ SDE is the the only way will ever get an SDE treatment.
[Edited 4/3/22 11:51am]

TrivialPursuit said:

The rest of us - not so much. What's next? We gonna put SOTT & Lovesexy together? Try to boil down Dirty Mind and Controversy?

Have all the seats.

The ultimate one CD version of Dirty Mind and Controversy is an easy thread. Both albums ft on one CD, perfect.

LoveGalore said:

MIRvmn1 said:

I agree. But unfortunately I think a D&P/ SDE is the the only way will ever get an SDE treatment.
[Edited 4/3/22 11:51am]

Which is a nonsensical thought. The album had multiple hits on it. More hits than his first 5 albums.

EnglishGent2 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

The rest of us - not so much. What's next? We gonna put SOTT & Lovesexy together? Try to boil down Dirty Mind and Controversy?

Have all the seats.

The ultimate one CD version of Dirty Mind and Controversy is an easy thread. Both albums ft on one CD, perfect.

That actually reminds me when they'd put two albums on one cassette.

TrivialPursuit said:

It's not a rumor. It's something you made up under the guise of a rumor just to field opinions on everyone's favorite tracks from both. Where'd you hear the rumor? Link? Source?

oh dear! OK...for absolute clarity it was reported / mentioned by at least 2 high profile posters on twitter.

TrivialPursuit said:

EnglishGent2 said:

The ultimate one CD version of Dirty Mind and Controversy is an easy thread. Both albums ft on one CD, perfect.

That actually reminds me when they'd put two albums on one cassette.

whoaaaaa! I want that !

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Clarity and concerns

Hi everyone.

I believe Purpleized3121 has misunderstood what is being claimed about the rumoured forthcoming release.

Clarity

As it stands, the rumour is that the next super deluxe will be for 'Diamonds and Pearls', however the set will also include the '' album, essentially making it a set covering Prince's 1991-1992 output. So although the set would be a hybrid in the sense that it will cover the two albums, there is no intension of combining or abridging the albums together into one.

What is this rumour based on?

Although this is just a rumour, it does appear to hold some weight. While being interviewed for 'The Current' late last year, Michael B talked about a discussion he'd had with Michael Howe regarding a 'Diamonds and Pearls' re-release that was being worked on. It was also around this time that Dr. Funkenberry discussed 'hypothetically' some details that may or may not have been considered for a 'Diamonds and Pearls' SDE. He made it clear that he had to be careful with his words as he was under NDA, but he implied that the idea of including '' in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' set was being considered. He also pointed out that during the recent wave of re-releases from Sony (the ones that comprised of former WB albums), there were some notable absences. As we know, WB still retains the rights to distribute the soundtrack albums that Prince had recorded for them, but aside from those there were two more albums missing. 'Diamonds and Pearls' and ''. This adds credence to the idea that they will both be included in an upcoming package.

Concerns

When I first heard about 'Diamonds and Pearls' being considered for an SDE release I had pondered just how big this set would be compared to its predecessors. Not only was 'Diamonds and Pearls' a double album, but it also generated two maxi singles with several remixes, in addition to a few other smaller singles and the famous "damn near 10 minute" promo version of 'Gett Off'. So there was already a decent amount of ground to cover before getting into the vault tracks and live material. Realistically this is set was already set to match the scale of SOTT at least, and may possibly be bigger still.

Now there is talk of including yet another double LP into the mix? Will this set also cover the '' era singles and remixes? What about the Act I & II tours? Would we be lucky enough to get more vault tracks covering this period?

How is this feasibly possible? The set would have to be enormous. Unless, the inclusion of '' is compensating for the absence of something?

Now, just to be clear, although we have a decent understanding of the current distribution deals and who has permission to release what, we do not know specifics. We've been able to read press releases surrounding certain deals, yet we haven't been able to read the contracts in any great detail. Even before Prince passed away, there was a grey area surrounding Prince's unreleased studio recordings from when he was under contract with Warner Brothers. I'm sure I'm not alone in suspecting that WB still has a hand in these recordings to some extent, even after a deal was made with Prince for him to earn back the rights to his released masters. If this is the case, this could make Sony's distribution deal very messy.

If you leave the vault material aside, Sony has the rights to distribute 'D&P' and '' in the USA and WB retains the rights for the rest of the world. The live material shouldn't be an issue as the estate can licence the rights to both parties for their respective regions.

However, what if WB isn't prepared to relinquish their rights over Prince's WB era vault tracks to Sony? If they still retain even partial ownership over this material then why hand it over to Sony for the US Super Deluxe release when they could hold onto it and negotiate a worldwide standalone release at a later date?

Could this be why '' is being included in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' Super Deluxe? To make up for the lack of vault tracks? If I'm right about this, then there is a very real possibility that the only previously unreleased material contained within this set will be live.

I could be completely wrong about all of this. For all I know D&P may not even be the next SDE. It's just something that has been bothering me since I heard about it.

VaultCurator said:

Clarity and concerns

Hi everyone.

I believe Purpleized3121 has misunderstood what is being claimed about the rumoured forthcoming release.

Clarity

As it stands, the rumour is that the next super deluxe will be for 'Diamonds and Pearls', however the set will also include the '' album, essentially making it a set covering Prince's 1991-1992 output. So although the set would be a hybrid in the sense that it will cover the two albums, there is no intension of combining or abridging the albums together into one.

What is this rumour based on?

Although this is just a rumour, it does appear to hold some weight. While being interviewed for 'The Current' late last year, Michael B talked about a discussion he'd had with Michael Howe regarding a 'Diamonds and Pearls' re-release that was being worked on. It was also around this time that Dr. Funkenberry discussed 'hypothetically' some details that may or may not have been considered for a 'Diamonds and Pearls' SDE. He made it clear that he had to be careful with his words as he was under NDA, but he implied that the idea of including '' in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' set was being considered. He also pointed out that during the recent wave of re-releases from Sony (the ones that comprised of former WB albums), there were some notable absences. As we know, WB still retains the rights to distribute the soundtrack albums that Prince had recorded for them, but aside from those there were two more albums missing. 'Diamonds and Pearls' and ''. This adds credence to the idea that they will both be included in an upcoming package.

Concerns

When I first heard about 'Diamonds and Pearls' being considered for an SDE release I had pondered just how big this set would be compared to its predecessors. Not only was 'Diamonds and Pearls' a double album, but it also generated two maxi singles with several remixes, in addition to a few other smaller singles and the famous "damn near 10 minute" promo version of 'Gett Off'. So there was already a decent amount of ground to cover before getting into the vault tracks and live material. Realistically this is set was already set to match the scale of SOTT at least, and may possibly be bigger still.

Now there is talk of including yet another double LP into the mix? Will this set also cover the '' era singles and remixes? What about the Act I & II tours? Would we be lucky enough to get more vault tracks covering this period?

How is this feasibly possible? The set would have to be enormous. Unless, the inclusion of '' is compensating for the absence of something?

Now, just to be clear, although we have a decent understanding of the current distribution deals and who has permission to release what, we do not know specifics. We've been able to read press releases surrounding certain deals, yet we haven't been able to read the contracts in any great detail. Even before Prince passed away, there was a grey area surrounding Prince's unreleased studio recordings from when he was under contract with Warner Brothers. I'm sure I'm not alone in suspecting that WB still has a hand in these recordings to some extent, even after a deal was made with Prince for him to earn back the rights to his released masters. If this is the case, this could make Sony's distribution deal very messy.

If you leave the vault material aside, Sony has the rights to distribute 'D&P' and '' in the USA and WB retains the rights for the rest of the world. The live material shouldn't be an issue as the estate can licence the rights to both parties for their respective regions.

However, what if WB isn't prepared to relinquish their rights over Prince's WB era vault tracks to Sony? If they still retain even partial ownership over this material then why hand it over to Sony for the US Super Deluxe release when they could hold onto it and negotiate a worldwide standalone release at a later date?

Could this be why '' is being included in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' Super Deluxe? To make up for the lack of vault tracks? If I'm right about this, then there is a very real possibility that the only previously unreleased material contained within this set will be live.

I could be completely wrong about all of this. For all I know D&P may not even be the next SDE. It's just something that has been bothering me since I heard about it.

Don't forget the Diamonds and Pearls video collection. WB marketed this album a lot. Personally, adding the to DP SDE is not my favorite idea.

I am sure there is enough live material and unrealesed studio tracks from that period to make a SDE. Perhaps not as much unreleased material as SOTT.

The only thing that connects D&P and is the typhoon do and "The Flow". (Just being silly)

I think it'd be a great idea but ain't gonna happen

VaultCurator said:

Clarity and concerns

Hi everyone.

I believe Purpleized3121 has misunderstood what is being claimed about the rumoured forthcoming release.

Clarity

As it stands, the rumour is that the next super deluxe will be for 'Diamonds and Pearls', however the set will also include the '' album, essentially making it a set covering Prince's 1991-1992 output. So although the set would be a hybrid in the sense that it will cover the two albums, there is no intension of combining or abridging the albums together into one.

What is this rumour based on?

Although this is just a rumour, it does appear to hold some weight. While being interviewed for 'The Current' late last year, Michael B talked about a discussion he'd had with Michael Howe regarding a 'Diamonds and Pearls' re-release that was being worked on. It was also around this time that Dr. Funkenberry discussed 'hypothetically' some details that may or may not have been considered for a 'Diamonds and Pearls' SDE. He made it clear that he had to be careful with his words as he was under NDA, but he implied that the idea of including '' in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' set was being considered. He also pointed out that during the recent wave of re-releases from Sony (the ones that comprised of former WB albums), there were some notable absences. As we know, WB still retains the rights to distribute the soundtrack albums that Prince had recorded for them, but aside from those there were two more albums missing. 'Diamonds and Pearls' and ''. This adds credence to the idea that they will both be included in an upcoming package.

Concerns

When I first heard about 'Diamonds and Pearls' being considered for an SDE release I had pondered just how big this set would be compared to its predecessors. Not only was 'Diamonds and Pearls' a double album, but it also generated two maxi singles with several remixes, in addition to a few other smaller singles and the famous "damn near 10 minute" promo version of 'Gett Off'. So there was already a decent amount of ground to cover before getting into the vault tracks and live material. Realistically this is set was already set to match the scale of SOTT at least, and may possibly be bigger still.

Now there is talk of including yet another double LP into the mix? Will this set also cover the '' era singles and remixes? What about the Act I & II tours? Would we be lucky enough to get more vault tracks covering this period?

How is this feasibly possible? The set would have to be enormous. Unless, the inclusion of '' is compensating for the absence of something?

Now, just to be clear, although we have a decent understanding of the current distribution deals and who has permission to release what, we do not know specifics. We've been able to read press releases surrounding certain deals, yet we haven't been able to read the contracts in any great detail. Even before Prince passed away, there was a grey area surrounding Prince's unreleased studio recordings from when he was under contract with Warner Brothers. I'm sure I'm not alone in suspecting that WB still has a hand in these recordings to some extent, even after a deal was made with Prince for him to earn back the rights to his released masters. If this is the case, this could make Sony's distribution deal very messy.

If you leave the vault material aside, Sony has the rights to distribute 'D&P' and '' in the USA and WB retains the rights for the rest of the world. The live material shouldn't be an issue as the estate can licence the rights to both parties for their respective regions.

However, what if WB isn't prepared to relinquish their rights over Prince's WB era vault tracks to Sony? If they still retain even partial ownership over this material then why hand it over to Sony for the US Super Deluxe release when they could hold onto it and negotiate a worldwide standalone release at a later date?

Could this be why '' is being included in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' Super Deluxe? To make up for the lack of vault tracks? If I'm right about this, then there is a very real possibility that the only previously unreleased material contained within this set will be live.

I could be completely wrong about all of this. For all I know D&P may not even be the next SDE. It's just something that has been bothering me since I heard about it.

Fabulous info & much appreciated. Christ, imagine a 2 album set with NO VAULT tracks!

See folks, a gentle correction with good quality info goes a long way !

VaultCurator said:

Clarity and concerns

Hi everyone.

I believe Purpleized3121 has misunderstood what is being claimed about the rumoured forthcoming release.

Clarity

As it stands, the rumour is that the next super deluxe will be for 'Diamonds and Pearls', however the set will also include the '' album, essentially making it a set covering Prince's 1991-1992 output. So although the set would be a hybrid in the sense that it will cover the two albums, there is no intension of combining or abridging the albums together into one.

I tried making that point above, but you articulated it more fullly and clearly. Thanks.

VaultCurator said:

Clarity and concerns

Misunderstood.
Although this is just a rumour.

Considered.

Hypothetically.
I could be completely wrong about all of this.

Thank you so much for your clear insight.

-

These are the words and frases I'll remember from your much needed clarification.

VaultCurator said:

Concerns

When I first heard about 'Diamonds and Pearls' being considered for an SDE release I had pondered just how big this set would be compared to its predecessors. Not only was 'Diamonds and Pearls' a double album, but it also generated two maxi singles with several remixes, in addition to a few other smaller singles and the famous "damn near 10 minute" promo version of 'Gett Off'. So there was already a decent amount of ground to cover before getting into the vault tracks and live material. Realistically this is set was already set to match the scale of SOTT at least, and may possibly be bigger still.

Now there is talk of including yet another double LP into the mix? Will this set also cover the '' era singles and remixes? What about the Act I & II tours? Would we be lucky enough to get more vault tracks covering this period?

How is this feasibly possible? The set would have to be enormous. Unless, the inclusion of '' is compensating for the absence of something?

Now, just to be clear, although we have a decent understanding of the current distribution deals and who has permission to release what, we do not know specifics. We've been able to read press releases surrounding certain deals, yet we haven't been able to read the contracts in any great detail. Even before Prince passed away, there was a grey area surrounding Prince's unreleased studio recordings from when he was under contract with Warner Brothers. I'm sure I'm not alone in suspecting that WB still has a hand in these recordings to some extent, even after a deal was made with Prince for him to earn back the rights to his released masters. If this is the case, this could make Sony's distribution deal very messy.

If you leave the vault material aside, Sony has the rights to distribute 'D&P' and '' in the USA and WB retains the rights for the rest of the world. The live material shouldn't be an issue as the estate can licence the rights to both parties for their respective regions.

However, what if WB isn't prepared to relinquish their rights over Prince's WB era vault tracks to Sony? If they still retain even partial ownership over this material then why hand it over to Sony for the US Super Deluxe release when they could hold onto it and negotiate a worldwide standalone release at a later date?

Could this be why '' is being included in the 'Diamonds and Pearls' Super Deluxe? To make up for the lack of vault tracks? If I'm right about this, then there is a very real possibility that the only previously unreleased material contained within this set will be live.

I could be completely wrong about all of this. For all I know D&P may not even be the next SDE. It's just something that has been bothering me since I heard about it.

Indeed.

This really could be a matter of concern. I also think Warner still has the rights for the outakes from the WB era so The Estate would surely need some kind of agreement between Warner & Sony to release a SDE set containing unrealeased studio material.

Will that happen ? Idk but why would Warner leave a piece of his precious cake to Sony ?

Besides, could this be the reason why the set has been postponed last year ?

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

That actually reminds me when they'd put two albums on one cassette.

whoaaaaa! I want that !

I had this and played it to DEATH. My crap car cassette player ate it back around 87ish. I literally cried.

such a fucking terrible idea