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Reply #30 posted 01/27/22 8:19am

Vannormal

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Yeah, the vitriol on this thread is a perfect example of the trashcan that prince.org is these days.

This place is a shithole these days.

God forbid anyone should say anything bad about our beloved Prince, right?

Please, people, grow up. I'm not a fan of O'Connor's particularly, but her own struggles with mental health and the recent suicide of her son far outweigh any petty nonsense bullshit you have about protecting your holy beloved purple idol.

I'm a big Prince fan, I don't particularly care for or about Sinead O'Connor, and I do not care AT ALL what Sinead O'Connor has to say about Prince. Neither should you.

You badmouthing her and wishing her ill should be ashamed of yourselves. Seriously.

Grow up. Fucking prince.org. mad

Thank you for backing me up on this.

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All that name calling, and indeed; making a saint out of Prince...

I don't like it either.

Prince wasn't exactly a 'nice' person all the time, from all we heard and read by now.

He was just a mere human who used the toilet just like all of us...

Whiped his tiny-tight-purple-ass with the same kind of toiletpaper, just like most of us.

He actually broke many women's hearts, had many women at the same time, trying to keep them hanging on by his own demands.

And all these things I'm pointing at right now are not always accdepted here by many so called fans.

But dissin' Sinead for something that might have happened in the past between her and Prince is completely as irrelevant as what I'm saying about Prince.

It doesn't add anything to the music - no one of us was there when they met - and certianly doesn't do neither Sinead, Prince or any of us any good.

Peace to us ALL.

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Concerning the use of Prince's written song... it's all about legal rights.

Those who made the documentary maybe should've done their homework.

Even a simple sample used in any song is paid for.

Think of Fat Boy Slim.

He wrote the song "The Rockafeller Skank", full of many samples.

He used so much samples, that this song, his biggest hit at the time, did not earn him the money he expected from that song. Still not till this day apparently.

He even said there still is one sample in that song by a very big artist that was not covered by legal matters, and he keeps it quiet for obvious reasons.

So if Prince music is used in a documentary, copyright needs to be paid, iirc.

Again, I'm not an expert, but this seems logic.

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Reply #31 posted 01/27/22 8:27am

Vannormal

heartpeacesheart said:

clapping it's clapping not clapping her clapping song

Yeah, right.

But she made that song to what it is and from what it is know for, up to this day.

Without her version, it would probably have vanished in time, just like The Family album.

Without her version, Prince propably would not have picked it up and played it live.

Think about it. It's not science, but an intersting debate if you like.

Prince had many many good songs in his own catalogue, written for others, with which could've happened exactly the same.

Also, think about "I Feel For U"...

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Reply #32 posted 01/27/22 9:38am

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Vannormal said:



heartpeacesheart said:


clapping it's clapping not clapping her clapping song

Yeah, right.


But she made that song to what it is and from what it is know for, up to this day.


Without her version, it would probably have vanished in time, just like The Family album.


Without her version, Prince propably would not have picked it up and played it live.


Think about it. It's not science, but an intersting debate if you like.


Prince had many many good songs in his own catalogue, written for others, with which could've happened exactly the same.


Also, think about "I Feel For U"...



I guess the estate will just have to take the devastating loss of the superiority of this one song in its entire portfolio.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #33 posted 01/27/22 12:28pm

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billymeade said:

Anna's wiki page tries to make it sound like she was 18 when anything happened, like how he wrote "Pink Cashmere" for her "18th birthday", even though it was when she was 14. Same with "Vicki Waiting", which would have been when she was 15. She was born in December 1973.

Ugh, I sincerely hope that birth date on her page is a mistake, because if not... feeling ill

Agreed, their relationship was already troublesome enough when we all thought she was born in 1970. neutral (Actually Anna might still be born in 1970 for all we know, we haven't seen her birth certificate. I sincerely hope she is...)

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Reply #34 posted 01/27/22 1:21pm

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That's a petty move. Sinead O'Connor has issues and have done a lot of weird stuff, but she is (or was?) a talented and original artist and as such her version of the song belongs in the story about her.

Btw, while NC2U was obviously a major breakthrough for her, it's not like she was a total unknown who owes her career to Prince. I recommend checking out her debut album.

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Reply #35 posted 01/27/22 6:53pm

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It's not a petty move, I don't think she's said 1 thing good about Prince. I agree with the Estate, I'm glad they did this. Prince nor the Estate owes her anything.

And in case any of you forgot, this is a Prince fan site. We are well aware of his faults.

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Reply #36 posted 01/27/22 8:02pm

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Good.


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Reply #37 posted 01/27/22 10:33pm

LoveGalore

Vannormal said:



LoveGalore said:


Yeah fuck her.

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The poor woman very recently lost her son...


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I don't care that much for her music, or her person,


but how on earth can you all be so openly rude about her ?


Because she dissed Prince ?


Is that it ? Is that what Prince.org has become ?


How disparaging and banal.


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What's disparaging and banal is the garbage that comes out of that person's mouth about the man who made it so she could eat.

It has nothing to do with her son and it is weird you even brought that up.
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Reply #38 posted 01/28/22 1:54am

Vannormal

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

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The poor woman very recently lost her son...

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I don't care that much for her music, or her person,

but how on earth can you all be so openly rude about her ?

Because she dissed Prince ?

Is that it ? Is that what Prince.org has become ?

How disparaging and banal.

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What's disparaging and banal is the garbage that comes out of that person's mouth about the man who made it so she could eat. It has nothing to do with her son and it is weird you even brought that up.

It is not about that at all.

You can dislike what she does or says... but just, why bluntly insult people over a forum tha doesn't have anything tod do with her ?

Why spitting hate and for which reason ?

SHE picked up the not-so-know-Prince-song at the time.

SHE made it to what it is today.

The money went straight to Prince if you like to know.

I don't care for her or her music all that much, but I dare to recognize talent, and she has it!

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A well meant peace to all of us.

It is more necessary than ever, given the desperate times of divisive polarization in which we live right now.

I have nothing personal against you. Why should I?

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Reply #39 posted 01/28/22 6:49am

fortuneandsere
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funkaholic1972 said:

bozojones said:

Ugh, I sincerely hope that birth date on her page is a mistake, because if not... feeling ill

Agreed, their relationship was already troublesome enough when we all thought she was born in 1970. neutral (Actually Anna might still be born in 1970 for all we know, we haven't seen her birth certificate. I sincerely hope she is...)


It's not quite what you think. The story of what happened is online if you look hard enough. And it's clear she lied about her age, making out she was younger than she was. When P did the thing, after keeping her waiting, she had just turned 18, which he was correctly aware of. But when she first met him, she had lied about her age, telling him she was 18 when she was in fact 15. How long she kept the lie going, anyone's guess. And yes, she was born in 1970.


If you're pro human rights, then you should also be very pro freedom from oppression. Anything less is double standards.

If you can add value to someone's life then why not?
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Reply #40 posted 01/28/22 7:25am

LoveGalore

Vannormal said:



LoveGalore said:


Vannormal said:


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The poor woman very recently lost her son...


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I don't care that much for her music, or her person,


but how on earth can you all be so openly rude about her ?


Because she dissed Prince ?


Is that it ? Is that what Prince.org has become ?


How disparaging and banal.


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[Edited 1/26/22 2:08am]



What's disparaging and banal is the garbage that comes out of that person's mouth about the man who made it so she could eat. It has nothing to do with her son and it is weird you even brought that up.

It is not about that at all.


You can dislike what she does or says... but just, why bluntly insult people over a forum tha doesn't have anything tod do with her ?


Why spitting hate and for which reason ?


SHE picked up the not-so-know-Prince-song at the time.


SHE made it to what it is today.


The money went straight to Prince if you like to know.


I don't care for her or her music all that much, but I dare to recognize talent, and she has it!


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A well meant peace to all of us.


It is more necessary than ever, given the desperate times of divisive polarization in which we live right now.


I have nothing personal against you. Why should I?





You're injecting a lot of stuff that isn't present in my message. That's your deal. Not mine.
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Reply #41 posted 01/28/22 8:35am

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I'm torn on this. The Prince fan side of me thinks "GOOD" and the other side of me thinks it's a bit petty on the part of the Estate.

Yes, she has badmouthed Prince over the years (even around the time of his death), but I think she has always praised the song itself.

But I get it. They want to control the narrative and the Prince legacy.

To those who don't think Prince groomed Anna or Mayte . . . c'mon. Pretty well known stuff. I don't recall that happening with any other women though.

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Reply #42 posted 01/28/22 9:29am

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Vannormal said:



heartpeacesheart said:


clapping it's clapping not clapping her clapping song

Yeah, right.


But she made that song to what it is and from what it is know for, up to this day.


Without her version, it would probably have vanished in time, just like The Family album.


Without her version, Prince propably would not have picked it up and played it live.


Think about it. It's not science, but an intersting debate if you like.


Prince had many many good songs in his own catalogue, written for others, with which could've happened exactly the same.


Also, think about "I Feel For U"...




How are you going to discount every Prince and let's get real Family fan who defended the song neverendingl I
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Reply #43 posted 01/28/22 9:55am

Se7en

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heartpeacesheart said:

Vannormal said:

Yeah, right.

But she made that song to what it is and from what it is know for, up to this day.

Without her version, it would probably have vanished in time, just like The Family album.

Without her version, Prince propably would not have picked it up and played it live.

Think about it. It's not science, but an intersting debate if you like.

Prince had many many good songs in his own catalogue, written for others, with which could've happened exactly the same.

Also, think about "I Feel For U"...

How are you going to discount every Prince and let's get real Family fan who defended the song neverendingl I


Nobody really knew the song until she did it. Only uber-Prince fans really even knew who The Family were.

She put the song on the map.

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Reply #44 posted 01/28/22 11:48am

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Se7en said:

heartpeacesheart said:

Vannormal said: How are you going to discount every Prince and let's get real Family fan who defended the song neverendingl I


Nobody really knew the song until she did it. Only uber-Prince fans really even knew who The Family were.

She put the song on the map.

Seriously, the general public never knew or gave a shit about that song until Sinead did her amazing cover. Say what you want about her as a person, but pretending that Prince is responsible for her success is just straight up reductive and delusional (and sexist, if we wanna go there)

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Reply #45 posted 01/28/22 12:59pm

SoulAlive

The estate did the right thing.Sinead has spent many years spreading lies and talking trash about Prince,even after his death.So,let her make a documentary without the one song in her catalog that the masses care about.

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Reply #46 posted 01/28/22 4:58pm

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You can't diss Prince fans on a Prince fan site. It's an abomination. I doubt the estate denied the song for anything to do with Sinead. But honest to God what is with female singers from the 80's and that Sade slash Sinead SHhhhhh thing. We've got to break it on down. You can ask my friend Tammy how obsessed I was about the live version of NCTY or is it NC2U or NC2Y or whatever. I love it when Prince sang it with Rosie Gaines. Best version ever.
Plus how much role playing is there in the music and entertainment industry.
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Reply #47 posted 01/29/22 3:54pm

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luv4u said:

The estate of world-renowned singer Prince denied the use of 'Nothing Compares 2 U' in a recently debuted documentary about the life and career of Sinéad O'Connor.

Originally written by Prince for his side project The Family, the song was released in 1985 but shot to popularity after O'Connor released her own version of the song for her second studio album I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got in 1989.

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Not surprised though.

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Reply #48 posted 01/29/22 8:48pm

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Whatever the reason is why the Estate said she couldn't use the song, I am happy they said no. People must be held accountable for their words and actions. Consequences are the result. Even Arsenio Hall filed a $5 million dollar lawsuit against her for her shit-talk. She's lucky he dropped it when she apologized. Trials and tribulations aside, she's the one who brings trouble upon herself.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #49 posted 01/30/22 8:30am

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How and why did Prince and his relationships get dropped into this conversation?

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Reply #50 posted 01/30/22 10:13am

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muleFunk said:

How and why did Prince and his relationships get dropped into this conversation?




Because we're strange and he likes it.
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Reply #51 posted 01/30/22 11:26am

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muleFunk said:

How and why did Prince and his relationships get dropped into this conversation?


I'm pretty sure it's related to the many thing Sinead has said about Prince over the years.

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Reply #52 posted 01/30/22 11:31am

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Se7en said:

muleFunk said:

How and why did Prince and his relationships get dropped into this conversation?


I'm pretty sure it's related to the many thing Sinead has said about Prince over the years.

I sure that's why someone said F her too.

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Reply #53 posted 01/31/22 1:54am

Vannormal

SoulAlive said:

The estate did the right thing.Sinead has spent many years spreading lies and talking trash about Prince,even after his death.So,let her make a documentary without the one song in her catalog that the masses care about.

There we go again.

Another one.

Sigh.

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Reply #54 posted 01/31/22 2:01am

Vannormal

heartpeacesheart said:

You can't diss Prince fans on a Prince fan site. It's an abomination. I doubt the estate denied the song for anything to do with Sinead. But honest to God what is with female singers from the 80's and that Sade slash Sinead SHhhhhhhh thing. We've got to break it on down. You can ask my friend Tammy how obsessed I was about the live version of NCTY or is it NC2U or NC2Y or whatever. I love it when Prince sang it with Rosie Gaines. Best version ever. Plus how much role playing is there in the music and entertainment industry.

So in other words, here on a public forum about an artist (we all like) we all just have to accept insults and overt reproach and bigotry of other artists...

Publicaly insulting is an abomination, by no matter who,

that's what I was learned when responding on the internet in general.

Wouldn't that make the .Org a better place to begin with..

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Reply #55 posted 01/31/22 4:39am

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Vannormal said:

SoulAlive said:

The estate did the right thing.Sinead has spent many years spreading lies and talking trash about Prince,even after his death.So,let her make a documentary without the one song in her catalog that the masses care about.

There we go again.

Another one.

Sigh.

Another what? Another FACT! ??

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Reply #56 posted 02/01/22 10:52am

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Vannormal said:



heartpeacesheart said:


You can't diss Prince fans on a Prince fan site. It's an abomination. I doubt the estate denied the song for anything to do with Sinead. But honest to God what is with female singers from the 80's and that Sade slash Sinead SHhhhhh thing. We've got to break it on down. You can ask my friend Tammy how obsessed I was about the live version of NCTY or is it NC2U or NC2Y or whatever. I love it when Prince sang it with Rosie Gaines. Best version ever. Plus how much role playing is there in the music and entertainment industry.

So in other words, here on a public forum about an artist (we all like) we all just have to accept insults and overt reproach and bigotry of other artists...


Publicaly insulting is an abomination, by no matter who,


that's what I was learned when responding on the internet in general.


Wouldn't that make the .Org a better place to begin with..





I'm saying we shouldn't diss the artist or the fans. I

I guess I just dissed the dissers now huh

If you could see the code mashup on my screen right now it's so funny
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Reply #57 posted 02/01/22 11:12am

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and that would be the correct move......

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Reply #58 posted 02/02/22 3:03am

Vannormal

PennyPurple said:

Vannormal said:

There we go again.

Another one.

Sigh.

Another what? Another FACT! ??

If you think someone is telling lies, ignore them.

No attention is the best solution for that.

Unless you're some sort of media, wanting to make money out of it, opinionate it (in public), explaining it, using it, giving it all the attention it wants.

I focus on the talent of those I like. If lies are told or whatever, I avoid it.

It does not affect my point of view on the good positive issues.

S U P P O R T --- U K R A I N E --- N O W --- 4 --- MORE PEACE !!!
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Reply #59 posted 02/02/22 5:38am

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Vannormal said:

PennyPurple said:

Another what? Another FACT! ??

If you think someone is telling lies, ignore them.

No attention is the best solution for that.

Unless you're some sort of media, wanting to make money out of it, opinionate it (in public), explaining it, using it, giving it all the attention it wants.

I focus on the talent of those I like. If lies are told or whatever, I avoid it.

It does not affect my point of view on the good positive issues.

The Estate DID ignore her. lol

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