LoveGalore said:

You don't make peace with someone by trying to invalidate their opinions. You could've just shared your own opinion and kept it moving but you decided to make a pit stop at some folks you disagreed with to defend Prince, a man who needs not your defense.

P'zackly.

TrivialPursuit said:

Phase3 said:

You are entitled to your opinion. But I still think this album is fantastic I always thought 20ten sucked ass though What do you think of that album?

And I'm cool with that. I certainly don't want to try and convince others how to think about The Rainbow Children. Hell, I've spent the better part of a decade or more defending "The Arms of Orion." hahaha

20Ten is sorta iffy. On some levels, I appreciate it. Other times, it's like "yawn." I think it was put more in perspective when Welcome 2 America came out because some stuff on there sounded like 20Ten. There are some very specific keyboard sounds on W2A that make me think of 20Ten. I guess in general, I don't hate it. I'm not repelled by it. I can let it groove in the background and not get overly impatient with it.

I'm not always a fan of Prince's sing-talking thing he does (like on "Welcome 2 America") and there's not much any of that on 20Ten. He actually sings. So for that, I can get with 20Ten for a little while.

TrivialPursuit said:

EVERY Prince album has at least ONE great song!

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said: You're serious? I would not expect that from you! It's the antithesis of plastic/acrylic production, I'd think you would have loved it.

I. Fucking. Hate. It.

I have tried and tried and tried to listen to it, get a new perspective on it. Something about it truly makes me upset and pissed that he did it. I don't care about the narrator's voice.

(Plot twist: it's not Darth Vader, like y'all are sayin'. Darth spoke through a machine that helped him breath. Prince slowed down his voice. The differences are clear.)

Moreover, it's the fucking dogma. OMG just shut up already about the accurate understanding of law and all that shit. It's nothing more than a Jehovah's Witness promo. I don't care how he frames it, that's what it is. It's dogma.

And while he touched on religious things in the past, it was always more nuanced. Sure, there were more pointed things like "God" or the Lord's Prayer in "Controversy," but it was still almost treated like a pastiche. It was religious tinged, like "Anna Stesia," "The Ladder," "Purple Rain, "Free" (a favorite), "Still Would Stand All Time," or even "Moonbeam Levels."

He mixed God and sexuality, and I get that. I trully understood what his thinking was on it. To have sex, and have those open, uninhibited feelings of love and bliss and pleasure are the highest form of feeling we can have on earth to that of being in God's presence. And even then, it pales when/if we ever are eventually in the presence of God.

But The Rainbow Children isn't nuanced. It's preachy, uncompassionate, it's "my way or the highway." Because anyone in the storyline that isn't a rainbow child or a follower or whatever is rubbish. Like Prince said, "you can cut that how you want, but it's the truth." No, Prince, it's your truth.

I think about Wendy & Lisa, and how they had to deal with Trevor Horn's homophobic ass, then circled back around to Prince with his bullshit post-Rainbow Children.

And yeah, I can appreciate the production. It's not acrylic, which is odd since he started that with Emancipation five years before. The organic, trippy, LSD-inspired trip on it; I really can. But man, I can't get past his words and lyrics. For a man who used to promote things like a utopic Uptown full of of acceptance, positivity, live and let live, he certainly made a 180º on The Rainbow Children.

It's a Karen record - you do what I say, cuz this is how it should be, periodt! He channeled his inner-slightly-inconvenienced-white-women vibe on it.

In the end, what was proven is that "The Rainbow Children" BS wasn't even HIS damn truth to begin with.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

In the end, what was proven is that "The Rainbow Children" BS wasn't even HIS damn truth to begin with.

Yeah, he didn't stick with it that long. He stuck with no cursing, but he still flirted with the X-rated stuff. He'd play parts of "Erotic City" or "Nasty Girl" in the piano sampler section of concerts.

I remember folks saying this too shall pass, and we were mostly right. Hell, remember when Prince wasn't going to tour anymore and went looking for the ladder?

Dalia11 said:

laytonian said:

Dalia11 said:

One of my favorite Albums, phenomenal! He is actually referencing what Sylvia Browne wrote in her books. There are many YouTube videos of Sylvia Browne on the Montel Williams Show. Montel is a Cancer Sun sign and Sylvia Browne was a Libra/the second Decanate of libra - Libra/Gemini-Venus and Mercury.

Sylvia Browne was a known fraud. Merely an entertainer who unfortunately, people took seriously. https://www.theguardian.c....jonronson

Yep. Any of those goddamn quasi-psychics are full of nothing but lies. Miss Cleo, Sylvia Browne, etc.

TraSoul82 said:

Seeing how D'angelo's career was derailed by crafting an oversexualized neo-soul ode to Prince, I can't blame him. Prince's rebuttal (YMMSS), was also served with "gospel-delic" undertones.

Where do y'all get your information???? You're saying D'Angelo - a straight Black man - is singing an ode to Prince, another straight Black man? If it was undersexualized, would it have been better? An ode is a poem written to a specific topic. So was D'Angelo singing about fucking Prince? Cuz that's what you're basically saying.

I'd love to make you wet
In between your thighs 'cause
I love when it comes inside you, mm
I get so excited when I'm around you

That's the song you think is an "ode to Prince?" Asking for a friend.

Back to the real topic:

The only person who derailed D'Angelo's career was... wait for it... D'Angelo.

Alan Leeds, his tour manager for The Voodoo Tour, said the experience of him being the naked dude in the video ""took away his confidence, because he's not convinced why any given fan is supporting him." He later became an alcoholic after a friend committed suicide. He backed off from the scene because he didn't particularly like being a sex symbol. He wasn't talking to his friends or family, and his management as well as Leeds dropped him. That was all of his own volition.

"U Make My Sun Shine" wasn't a rebuttal. Prince worked with Angie Stone, who had also collaborated with D in the past. She's free to work with whoever she wants, so Prince snagging her wasn't some diss. Anyone who gets an opportunity to work with Prince is going to do it.

I honestly don't understand the nutty bullshit folks come up with sometimes. I really don't.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said: You're serious? I would not expect that from you! It's the antithesis of plastic/acrylic production, I'd think you would have loved it.

I. Fucking. Hate. It.

I have tried and tried and tried to listen to it, get a new perspective on it. Something about it truly makes me upset and pissed that he did it. I don't care about the narrator's voice.

(Plot twist: it's not Darth Vader, like y'all are sayin'. Darth spoke through a machine that helped him breath. Prince slowed down his voice. The differences are clear.)

Moreover, it's the fucking dogma. OMG just shut up already about the accurate understanding of law and all that shit. It's nothing more than a Jehovah's Witness promo. I don't care how he frames it, that's what it is. It's dogma.

And while he touched on religious things in the past, it was always more nuanced. Sure, there were more pointed things like "God" or the Lord's Prayer in "Controversy," but it was still almost treated like a pastiche. It was religious tinged, like "Anna Stesia," "The Ladder," "Purple Rain, "Free" (a favorite), "Still Would Stand All Time," or even "Moonbeam Levels."

He mixed God and sexuality, and I get that. I trully understood what his thinking was on it. To have sex, and have those open, uninhibited feelings of love and bliss and pleasure are the highest form of feeling we can have on earth to that of being in God's presence. And even then, it pales when/if we ever are eventually in the presence of God.

But The Rainbow Children isn't nuanced. It's preachy, uncompassionate, it's "my way or the highway." Because anyone in the storyline that isn't a rainbow child or a follower or whatever is rubbish. Like Prince said, "you can cut that how you want, but it's the truth." No, Prince, it's your truth.

I think about Wendy & Lisa, and how they had to deal with Trevor Horn's homophobic ass, then circled back around to Prince with his bullshit post-Rainbow Children.

And yeah, I can appreciate the production. It's not acrylic, which is odd since he started that with Emancipation five years before. The organic, trippy, LSD-inspired trip on it; I really can. But man, I can't get past his words and lyrics. For a man who used to promote things like a utopic Uptown full of of acceptance, positivity, live and let live, he certainly made a 180º on The Rainbow Children.

It's a Karen record - you do what I say, cuz this is how it should be, periodt! He channeled his inner-slightly-inconvenienced-white-women vibe on it.

Couldn't have said it any better.

Do like me, try to get into it, by making your own mix.

Leave out the nonsense, and speed up that voice and play it backwards with some echo to it... give it a deveish feel. Fuck that shit up. I kinda had fun with it.

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said: You're serious? I would not expect that from you! It's the antithesis of plastic/acrylic production, I'd think you would have loved it.

I. Fucking. Hate. It.

I have tried and tried and tried to listen to it, get a new perspective on it. Something about it truly makes me upset and pissed that he did it. I don't care about the narrator's voice.

(Plot twist: it's not Darth Vader, like y'all are sayin'. Darth spoke through a machine that helped him breath. Prince slowed down his voice. The differences are clear.)

Moreover, it's the fucking dogma. OMG just shut up already about the accurate understanding of law and all that shit. It's nothing more than a Jehovah's Witness promo. I don't care how he frames it, that's what it is. It's dogma.

And while he touched on religious things in the past, it was always more nuanced. Sure, there were more pointed things like "God" or the Lord's Prayer in "Controversy," but it was still almost treated like a pastiche. It was religious tinged, like "Anna Stesia," "The Ladder," "Purple Rain, "Free" (a favorite), "Still Would Stand All Time," or even "Moonbeam Levels."

He mixed God and sexuality, and I get that. I trully understood what his thinking was on it. To have sex, and have those open, uninhibited feelings of love and bliss and pleasure are the highest form of feeling we can have on earth to that of being in God's presence. And even then, it pales when/if we ever are eventually in the presence of God.

But The Rainbow Children isn't nuanced. It's preachy, uncompassionate, it's "my way or the highway." Because anyone in the storyline that isn't a rainbow child or a follower or whatever is rubbish. Like Prince said, "you can cut that how you want, but it's the truth." No, Prince, it's your truth.

I think all of that is true, it just doesn't bother me. I love the music and tune out the lyrics.

Also, not all of the lyrics on this album are direct and hit you over the head. While dogmatism may be his underlying point at all times, some of the lyrics just sound like nonsense on the surface. It's not until you think about them that what he's saying becomes obvious. Since I don't take the time to think about them, they don't hit me over the head.

TrivialPursuit said:

I remember folks saying this too shall pass, and we were mostly right.

Screwdriver gave us alll indication that dirty Prince was still in there, he was just an adult contemporary dirty gentleman that still played Cream right before he died.

lurker316 said:

I think all of that is true, it just doesn't bother me. I love the music and tune out the lyrics.

Also, not all of the lyrics on this album are direct and hit you over the head. While dogmatism may be his underlying point at all times, some of the lyrics just sound like nonsense on the surface. It's not until you think about them that what he's saying becomes obvious. Since I don't take the time to think about them, they don't hit me over the head.

Honestly, I wish I was more like you think. I wish lyrics didn't always seep into my head like they do (with anyone). But, they do. And moreover, he made such a point about this album and its lyrical content, living the role of calmed down, Jehovah's Witness enlightened human being - which his sweaters, double-breasted wrapped suits, and thoughtful glasses - that it's hard to ignore the lyrics. They basically defined him. If there was ever a Prince record that stated "this is me," it was The Rainbow Children.

Most every other previous record is just Prince doing what he does in that moment. TRC was different. It was calculated. And no, not all the lyrics are brow-beating, but they far outweight lighter fluff like "She Loves Me 4 Me."

I wish it didn't bother me. I'd probably at least enjoy the music itself more. Give me an instrumental of the record, and I'm all in.

lavendardrummachine said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I remember folks saying this too shall pass, and we were mostly right.

Screwdriver gave us alll indication that dirty Prince was still in there, he was just an adult contemporary dirty gentleman that still played Cream right before he died.

"Mellow" is very sexual.

jdcxc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I have always loved the album. Clicked with it from first listen, and I'm not religious in any way. I also can't listen to parts of it. I've always listened to it as a whole, from start to finish. I like to put it on when I have a long drive so I can hear it all.

And I understand the people that don't like it. It's OK to hate a Prince album. It doesn't make you less of a fan. I've tried and tried for years to get into Rave Un2, and I just can't get into it. Small parts of it, but never have I ever tried to listen to it and not skip, skip, skip, tracks as I go.

I've never listened to Kamasutra completely either.

TrivialPursuit said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

In the end, what was proven is that "The Rainbow Children" BS wasn't even HIS damn truth to begin with.

Yeah, he didn't stick with it that long. He stuck with no cursing, but he still flirted with the X-rated stuff. He'd play parts of "Erotic City" or "Nasty Girl" in the piano sampler section of concerts.

I remember folks saying this too shall pass, and we were mostly right. Hell, remember when Prince wasn't going to tour anymore and went looking for the ladder?

Add to that, The Rainbow Children has it's fair share of sexually explicit lyrics. I mean, in "Mellow", Prince is graphically describing a woman masturbating with her sex toy.

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skywalker said:

Add to that, The Rainbow Children has it's fair share of sexually explicit lyrics. I mean, in "Mellow", Prince is graphically describing a woman masturbating with her sex toy.

At the very end, he does.

Can I sing 2 U while U bring yourself 2 joy?
I'll go slow at first, while U quench your thirst
Wet circles around the toy
While U bring yourself 2 joy

And he's still adding his JW-meets-vegan propaganda even to that song. Remember "One Song," where he used terms like "stand under" and "understand?"

I'm a good learner and once I understand
I'll stand under U and let U show me what U want your man 2 be

And he is going full on "When 2 R In Love"

If U desire I'll shed my attire - anything 2 get U wet

jjhunsecker said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Screwdriver gave us alll indication that dirty Prince was still in there, he was just an adult contemporary dirty gentleman that still played Cream right before he died.

[Not them snip - luv4u]

I don't have the first clue what you're talking about even after someone messaged me to try and translate. Whatever you're on about is out of style and doesn't sound like it's what the org needs more of. We need more activity, not less.

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TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"U Make My Sun Shine" wasn't a rebuttal. Prince worked with Angie Stone, who had also collaborated with D in the past. She's free to work with whoever she wants, so Prince snagging her wasn't some diss. Anyone who gets an opportunity to work with Prince is going to do it.

You guys aren't even disagreeing about the sexualized Prince-inspired thing being his derailment. I mean, I've always heard that Untitled or whatever was D'Angelo-does-Prince. I think "an ode to" was used as a figure of speech, not that D'Angelo wanted to make Prince wet. Lmao. And anyway the UMMSS thing being with Angie Stone is more than just cuz she's any old singer. It's Dangelos baby mama, lol.

Well, that fact certainly wasn't lost on any of us back then. But was that a diss to D in some fashion? Like I said, she has a right to work with who she wants. And I don't remember D and Prince having beef per se.

And I think the OP was mis-using "ode." And ode would be something toward Prince, for him in a positive way. Like an ode to sex, or an ode to honey baked ham. It's a tribute. Not a diss. I feel like the OP was using "ode" as a diss. Or did I miss that all together?

Eh, doesn't matter. I don't think D was dissing Prince. Emulating, sure.

lavendardrummachine said:

jjhunsecker said:

lavendardrummachine said: [Not them snip - luv4u].

I don't have the first clue what you're talking about even after someone messaged me to try and translate. Whatever you're on about is out of style and doesn't sound like it's what the org needs more of. We need more activity, not less.

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[Not them snip - luv4u]

TrivialPursuit said:

LoveGalore said:

A diss? No. No more than releasing Shockadelica was a diss. Was Violet the Organ Grinder a diss to Susannah? I don't even consider I Hate U a diss to Carmen. But to imagine Prince was unaware that he was working with his copycat's baby mama is a bit of a reach. Especially around that time, he was keenly aware of that whole crew from Stone to Badu to Quest to Dangelos and on.

Oh, I think Prince knew all of Angie & D's background. Don't get me wrong. I'm only saying I don't believe he did it as a push toward D. That's all.

Violet about Susannah? Never heard that. "I Hate U" is pointedly about Carmen, as much as "I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore" (and half of Rave) is about Mayte). But yeah, "Shockadelica" always felt more like Prince needling Jesse, which really... sorta funny, than a diss. I would've liked to hear Jesse sing that one, put some of his guitar work over it or something.

See, now I'm just missing neo-soul. Someone said Tevin tried to get into Neo Soul quite a few years ago. I never heard it.

Let me just go listen to Embrya or something.

jjhunsecker said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I don't have the first clue what you're talking about even after someone messaged me to try and translate. Whatever you're on about is out of style and doesn't sound like it's what the org needs more of. We need more activity, not less.

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[Not them snip - luv4u]

The hell? You're the one harrassing someone in a forum that needs more posts and participation, not less.... and I think we've intereacted once (?) so whatever weird internet vendettas you have imagined have nothing to do with me or this topic or Prince. Go take a look in the mirror and think about your contributions here. If your demons from bullying people on a Prince forum caught up to you to the point where you stop posting, and you need to project that on some random screen name, that's....wow.