Just think hours of the instructions Prince gives in the intro to Power Fantastic on SOTT Deluxe but in high def video.

emesem said:

Just think hours of the instructions Prince gives in the intro to Power Fantastic on SOTT Deluxe but in high def video.

That would be great to watch. There is rehearsal footage circulating of him and the NPG from the D&P era and so I'm sure there is more. Well,I would hope so anyway.

The "Let it Be" film footage was shot with a professional crew and intended for theatrical release (alhough it was shot on 16mm).

It's quite possible Prince did the same at some point (like the Magnoli directed doc shoots during Lovesexy) I mean we've seen bits of it in that mini doc edit.

Supposedly he recorded a lot of it, but it's going to be a one shot like the rehearsal material we've seen so far, not a full on produced thing.

The other thing is if it's true he recorded a lot of practice sessions, they likely weren't stored in the vault. The photos showed what looked like boxes of VHS, but again, if you're methodically documenting practice sessions, there would probably be more evidence of that.I think if he shot more video, there would be more of it circulating already from band members.

I think the direction on the SOTT set was really special, which is why they included it. Do any practice tapes have anything like that? He's mostly just calling out keys, and verbally conducting instead.

emesem said:

Just think hours of the instructions Prince gives in the intro to Power Fantastic on SOTT Deluxe but in high def video.

I'm no expert when it comes to professional film etc...

But if i'm not mistaken, there are hundreds if not thousands of film rolls in the vault.

Just look at the official Vault pictures.

What's on it, we don't know.

There is possibly even more film/video material since the digital recording is available.

Some here say bluntly ''no''. We just don't know anything for sure.

I would rather think ''yes''.

Professional 16mm film ? Perhaps, yes, and even that remains uncertain.

We all know that Prince made (small) unreleased movies/videos (see PrinceVault for that).

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Apparently that documentary in the works might reveal more.

If you're talking about the quality level of the 'Get Back' docu technically, that's thanks to Peter Jackson and his team and a big montain of money available.

If you're talking about the way these four guys act perfectly 'normal' in front of a camera; there I should bet a serious 'no'.

Prince being silly in front of a camera, yes, without a doubt. Prince the prankster.

Prince doubting or debating, or messin' around on any instrument, for example 'vocally' in front of a camera, I seriously don't think so, for all we know by now.

He wanted to be all alone in front of the console to record his vocals.

He was super super super private.

Remember that director guy who filmed those 'Celebrations' at PP (forgot his name).

Also, i'm sure that Prince wanted us to see a very specific image of him.

Not his daily life, not him 'acting' normal.

The Beatles at the end of their career were barely in their mid twenties behaving like young adult do at that age.

They didn't really thought about it all too much.

Driven by their friendships, sillyness and innocence.

Don't forget they lived in a complete other time frame.

Compared that to Prince's.

emesem said:

Just think hours of the instructions Prince gives in the intro to Power Fantastic on SOTT Deluxe but in high def video.

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Video yes, but not HD.

So please wake up or dream on.

Yes, but at certain moments, like in the (Magnoli) 1988 mini-doc, you see footage resembling to those types of sessions, for example, the opening shot of Prince jamming with Miko and Levi, the shot of Prince directing the band on where to go on stage, then also we got little footage of the soundchecks in the mini-doc. Then aside from the mini-doc, we do got rehearsal footage (it's kinda clear but not that clear) Ex: The Nothing Compares 2 U (Prince's Version) video, we got the unseen different shots of Prince rehearsing with the Revolution in 1984, mixed with the already circulating footage of the summer rehearsals. I'd say they got some footage matching those levels in the vault. I know we won't see it all, but I'm certain we'll see some. This is a key reason why I'm looking foward to the video vault more than the actual music vault itself, because I know they got lots of video rehearsals and candid moments in the vault.

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Vannormal said:

But if i'm not mistaken, there are hundreds if not thousands of film rolls in the vault.

Just look at the official Vault pictures.

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LOL. There is no such picture. Otherwise you'd have linked to it.

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andykeen said:

What about Kevin Smiths movie?

That's the guy I meant, filming the Celebration(s) at PP

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

But if i'm not mistaken, there are hundreds if not thousands of film rolls in the vault.

Just look at the official Vault pictures.

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LOL. There is no such picture. Otherwise you'd have linked to it.

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Knowitall, like I said, I'm no expert in this matter, but what are these boxes then ?

What is in it ?

Some same boxes (pic 3) are PR related... looks like notitions of scenes or something, anyone ?

And these PR boxes... (no idea really what's inside...)

Which of those hint to 'HD' or 'film'?

Virtually all of the things on those photos are audio tapes. Except for the cardboard boxes with loose VHS tapes, which I assume are tapes of rehearsals or concerts etc., but those are barely SD quality. Nobody's going to watch hours and hours of that unless they're a hardcore fan.

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Now I did forget that there are a handful photos of an actual "video vault", they're in this article: https://www.prosoundnetwo...vault-more And that one does appear to contain film canisters and professional tapes. What's on those? I assume footage shot for music videos, for various TV specials, etc. Probably a ton of previously unseen music videos. And who knows, perhaps Purple Rain outtakes, UTCM outtakes, GB outtakes,... And we know there was a documentary filmed in 1988 by Magnoli, of which 10 minutes or so were shown on the BBC: with any luck all of the raw footage of that is still there.

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Who knows, maybe there are surprises. But enough to make a ten hour documentary series on one specific period? I very much doubt that.

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(And then there is the question what state all that material is in. The fact that one of the photos shows a plastic tarp over one section isn't exactly comforting.)

I'd be completely shocked if footage like that wasn't unearthed in the vault.

We know how much stuff he filmed and recorded that just got shelved (music videos, live shows, albums), like Bart pointed out. Several people over the years have mentioned fully shot music videos, extended stuff like 3 Chains of Gold, The UNdertaker, Love4OneAnother or whatever that VH1 thing was called, and IIRC, Prince shot an awful lot of his live shows. In the early years, I remember reading that he would make the band watch the performance right after the concert to critique everybody, but stuff like that is probably very poor quality and I'd assume that Prince would use the same cassette over and over and just record over stuff during a tour.

Only real question is how much Netflix is granted access to it - or whoever winds up doing with Prince what Peter Jackson did with the Beatles. I'd wager good money that, if anything, there's even MORE footage for a Prince project than "Get Back", for several very obvious reasons (more ubiquitous recording capabilities starting in 1980 being the main one). The Beatles never had cam-corders, digital recorders, their own sound stage nor a huge house/recording studio with cameras everywhere.

Also, PJ's footage was enhanced, filtered and reworked. If the estate let a film maker loose with the entire contents of the vault (Kevin Smith's footage too), it would blow Get Back away I think.

Vannormal said:

emesem said:

Just think hours of the instructions Prince gives in the intro to Power Fantastic on SOTT Deluxe but in high def video.

I'm no expert when it comes to professional film etc...

But if i'm not mistaken, there are hundreds if not thousands of film rolls in the vault.

Just look at the official Vault pictures.

What's on it, we don't know.

There is possibly even more film/video material since the digital recording is available.

Some here say bluntly ''no''. We just don't know anything for sure.

I would rather think ''yes''.

Professional 16mm film ? Perhaps, yes, and even that remains uncertain.

We all know that Prince made (small) unreleased movies/videos (see PrinceVault for that).

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Apparently that documentary in the works might reveal more.

If you're talking about the quality level of the 'Get Back' docu technically, that's thanks to Peter Jackson and his team and a big montain of money available.

If you're talking about the way these four guys act perfectly 'normal' in front of a camera; there I should bet a serious 'no'.

Prince being silly in front of a camera, yes, without a doubt. Prince the prankster.

Prince doubting or debating, or messin' around on any instrument, for example 'vocally' in front of a camera, I seriously don't think so, for all we know by now.

He wanted to be all alone in front of the console to record his vocals.

He was super super super private.

Remember that director guy who filmed those 'Celebrations' at PP (forgot his name).

Also, i'm sure that Prince wanted us to see a very specific image of him.

Not his daily life, not him 'acting' normal.

The Beatles at the end of their career were barely in their mid twenties behaving like young adult do at that age.

They didn't really thought about it all too much.

Driven by their friendships, sillyness and innocence.

Don't forget they lived in a complete other time frame.

Compared that to Prince's.

"No" lol

Milty2 said:

Vannormal said:

bunch of stuff

"No" lol

Wow. Great drive by post, Milty2. Really fantastic. Totally makes ya think.

So much to parse here and insight I never considered. Very constructive, thoughtful, well worded and concise. 5 entire letters to read and even two quote marks!! Gonna print this one out and frame it I think. It's that good.

Keep up the quality content.



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herb4 said:

Also, PJ's footage was enhanced, filtered and reworked. If the estate let a film maker loose with the entire contents of the vault (Kevin Smith's footage too), it would blow Get Back away I think.

We'll find out when the Netflix doc drops. But that's going to cover a whole career. The beatles doc like that already exists and was a prime time network event back in the late 90's. The Beatles Anthology

https://en.wikipedia.org/...TV_series)



The Get Back movie is focussed on one moment, and one general setting, and shows them actually coming up with a few songs that became hit singles that were even hit covers for others later on.

It would be tough for a Prince doc about one single project to pull that unless it was Purple Rain, and we know that doesn't exist for that era. If footage of behind the scenes does exist, its most likely VHS home movies quality that have none of the artful filmic footage that Peter Jackson had to edit from.

How many are also aware of the recent 6 part doc on HULU where Rick Rubin just hangs out with McCartney at the mixing console and they playback various songs throughout his career and tlak about how they came about and even isolate tracks and talks about specific intruments and vocals?

McCartney 3,2,1

https://www.hulu.com/seri...?cmp=11932

But I certainly wish some really cool Prince doc stuff would come out. The Diamonds and Pearls / Symbol era seems to have had a ton of filmed footage (shot on film) which could be made into something.

herb4 said:

Milty2 said:

"No" lol

Wow. Great drive by post, Milty2. Really fantastic. Totally makes ya think.

So much to parse here and insight I never considered. Very constructive, thoughtful, well worded and concise. 5 entire letters to read and even two quote marks!! Gonna print this one out and frame it I think. It's that good.

Keep up the quality content.



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I know this is the Org and all which means that sarcasm, cynicism and vitriol are the rule but I was actually bouncing off your comment: "Some here say bluntly ''no''. We just don't know anything for sure." and agreeing with it.

There isn't much else to add to this topic because yes: no one knows anything. We can only think wishfully.

What's that poster or painting in the far back, left ?

That guy with his yellow speedo ?

It sure isn't Prince...

Anyone ?

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..see that big box with 'office CD/DVD private'

Wonder what that is

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It's so sad to see all these pictures, and how sad and aweful eveything was handled and

maintained.

Even posters and pictures in cheap frames... a wrinckled WDC poster we all know...

Really hurts to see all this, while i'm very well oganised myself.

There are hundres, possibly thousands of videos. They said he recorded everything...and as the pictures show.
My old boss told me when they went down to a storage area they couldnt get in one of the doors because it was blocked by boxes of betamax tapes

This photo should be the tip of the iceberg.

Not enough boxes for a significant part of his career.

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Vannormal said:

What's that poster or painting in the far back, left ?

That guy with his yellow speedo ?

It sure isn't Prince...

Anyone ?

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..see that big box with 'office CD/DVD private'

Wonder what that is

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It's so sad to see all these pictures, and how sad and aweful eveything was handled and

maintained.

Even posters and pictures in cheap frames... a wrinckled WDC poster we all know...

Really hurts to see all this, while i'm very well oganised myself.

Those plastic poster frames were the in thing in the 80s and early 90s. I'm sure Prince could have invested in much more elaborate graphics, but I don't think that's where his focus (and budget) was. Remember, this was a room outside the Vault that was not public-facing. Styles change, even in things such as the light oak shelving and furniture.

The historic timeline graphic that is on the main floor hallway is also very "90s" in its design and execution. It seemed like something that was done in-house just to get something on the walls. I guess it got the job done? I highly doubt Paisley Park will be updating anything from here on out, unless they put it back exactly how it was.

That poster is driving me crazy.

Kinda looks like George Harrison crossed with Frank Zappa wearing a disco outfit sitting on a horse saddle in outer space. You know, as one does. It's probably something a friend gave Prince during his early years that he stuck in a shitty WalMart frame and forgot about once he became rich.

But he cared enough about it to SAVE it so...

Now I must solve this mystery. Google is failing me. Maybe I can download it, crop it and do a reverse image search.


EDIT: Wait...I think it's actually a painting/poster of Prince from the early 80's

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herb4 said:

That poster is driving me crazy.

Kinda looks like George Harrison crossed with Frank Zappa wearing a disco outfit sitting on a horse saddle in outer space. You know, as one does. It's probably something a friend gave Prince during his early years that he stuck in a shitty WalMart frame and forgot about once he became rich.

But he cared enough about it to SAVE it so...

Now I must solve this mystery. Google is failing me. Maybe I can download it, crop it and do a reverse image search.


EDIT: Wait...I think it's actually a painting/poster of Prince from the early 80's

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You might be onto something with the painting being of Prince. It looks like it's from 1979, the "Prince" album look. maybe it was promo art for that album cover or liner notes?

Se7en said:

I downloaded it, cropped it and blew it up and...I dunno if it's Prince but I think it's someone's best effort, is clearly an original painting (you can see the tacks holding the canvas to the stretcher) and it's probably supposed to be him. Maybe an early fan tried to do a painting or something and he liked whoever did it so he kept it? Some girl he liked was all "look at my art"! The hair looks like 1980 American Bandstand Prince but I guess he's missing his left hand. Both of his hands actually. And is that a red couch maybe?

The more I look at it the funnier it gets.

I wonder if whoever painted it knows that it stayed in Prince's vault all these years and that he kept it?

Artist might be able to make some bank off a cute but pretty bad painting.

https://i.imgur.com/t5wkAA3.jpg

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Who knows what he has, I mean obvioulsy there are unreleased videos and films he has also protege stuff, and also I always saw things filmed at shows I was at, so who knows what he kept and even if he set it aside or had a plan. But also because of NO unified estate, I mean as bitter as the Beatles break up may have seemed, they all get along well enough to sign off on things and have equal interests.

lastdecember said:

But also because of NO unified estate, I mean as bitter as the Beatles break up may have seemed, they all get along well enough to sign off on things and have equal interests.

True, but two of the band members still being alive probably makes things a little simpler. Also, the Beatles members all have kids so that probably helps sort out matters of estates, at least as far as George and John.

Then again, didn't MJ wind up buying the Beatles' entire back catalog at some point? I guess that was just the rights to the songs themselves but I wonder anyway what kind of weird shit that created after Jackson died whenever McCartney or Ringo wanted to do something with Beatles tracks? Or anyone else for that matter.

Did Paris inheret the rights to all that music?

I believe the poster is probably a poor likeness of Prince, but it sure looks like the WWE wrestler Marc Mero:

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