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Thread started 04/29/03 8:58am

piflacoco

prince cannot make BIG hits or doenst want 2?

what u think?

in the 90s acting like a frontin wanksta did not help much anyway...

actually it seems he doesnt care about hits anymore...or not?
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Reply #1 posted 04/29/03 9:01am

VelvetSplash

As recently as 1999 he wanted to (Rave album).

As recently as 1999 he proved he can't (Rave album).

Whether he should or shouldn't is another matter entirely.

I think She Loves Me 4 Me was quite poppy in melody, construction and length.
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Reply #2 posted 04/29/03 9:10am

shausler

i believe that he has made many lately

just hasnt released them
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Reply #3 posted 04/29/03 9:12am

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Probably doesn't want to. The style he was exploring on TRC doesn't really lend itself to the radio. And you wouldn't hear anything like She Loves Me For Me on the radio.
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Reply #4 posted 04/29/03 9:13am

shausler

he loves me for me
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Reply #5 posted 04/29/03 9:19am

Marrk

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How about not in a position to?

Airplay, promotion etc.How would he get those?

Even if he wanted to, which i don't think he does, he wouldn't stand a chance these days, can you imagine TRC on the radio? no way.As long as we get to hear his new stuff, who gives a rats ass about people that don't even like him i.e. casual radio listeners and the like.
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Reply #6 posted 04/29/03 9:22am

shausler

Marrk said:

How about not in a position to?

Airplay, promotion etc.How would he get those?

Even if he wanted to, which i don't think he does, he wouldn't stand a chance these days, can you imagine TRC on the radio? no way.As long as we get to hear his new stuff, who gives a rats ass about people that don't even like him i.e. casual radio listeners and the like.



remember


mccartney went from hit wonder to hit blunder in 1 year
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Reply #7 posted 04/29/03 9:26am

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He WANTS a hit. He wouldn't be so pissed off at the "multi-national entertainment conglomerates" if this was not the case. When he dumbs-down and releases his tepid mainstream singles, it just seems that there is not a big enough marketing push behind them. He didn't need to do this years ago when the public at large would lap up anything and everything that sounded different. He has been releasing mediocre singles for years now in vain.

Put out a GREAT song and get behind the muthafucka, Prince.
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Reply #8 posted 04/29/03 10:52am

FunLovin

VelvetSplash said:

As recently as 1999 he wanted to (Rave album).

As recently as 1999 he proved he can't (Rave album).

Whether he should or shouldn't is another matter entirely.

I think She Loves Me 4 Me was quite poppy in melody, construction and length.



U r very very negative, aren't u?
I get the feeling that u have been hurt terribly by someone, and now u letting it all ou here,which I think is good. But maybe u should b a little bit more supportting on Prince if u're a tue fan - he needs that support to b shown!
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Reply #9 posted 04/29/03 10:56am

shausler

rave is great


nod

boxed
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Reply #10 posted 04/29/03 11:03am

FunLovin

shausler said:

rave is great


nod

boxed



Rave is okay - I wouldn't call it great
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Reply #11 posted 04/29/03 11:06am

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Prince wants to but cannot, because he wants his hits to have a heavy JW religious jazz vibe to them. He wants NPGMC to go down as the greatest musical revolution of his time, but it will not, because word will not spread around about it, and it's not revolutionary. He does NOT want to have hits if they are controlled by the big record companies, which means he CAN NOT have hits.

And, even if none of this stuff mattered, he still could not make another hit, because, unfortunately people remember him as nothing more than a pop relic of the '80s, with 7 hits: 1999, LRC, When Doves Cry, Purple Rain, Kiss, Raspberry Beret and Let's Go Crazy. Unfortunate for them, fortunate for me.
"Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring faith. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal" - Carl Sagan
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Reply #12 posted 04/29/03 11:11am

shausler

FunLovin said:

shausler said:

rave is great


nod

boxed



Rave is okay - I wouldn't call it great



great in a relative sense of

i aint gott my musical fix fixed


lately
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Reply #13 posted 04/29/03 11:17am

ConsciousConta
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savoirfaire said:

He wants NPGMC to go down as the greatest musical revolution of his time, but it will not, because word will not spread around about it, and it's not revolutionary.


The respected music critic Nelson George is on record as saying that Prince is a visionary with the way he has released his music through the internet. So who's right and who's wrong. It's your opinion. Doesn't make u right.
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Reply #14 posted 04/29/03 11:39am

VelvetSplash

FunLovin said:

VelvetSplash said:

As recently as 1999 he wanted to (Rave album).

As recently as 1999 he proved he can't (Rave album).

Whether he should or shouldn't is another matter entirely.

I think She Loves Me 4 Me was quite poppy in melody, construction and length.



U r very very negative, aren't u?
I get the feeling that u have been hurt terribly by someone, and now u letting it all ou here,which I think is good. But maybe u should b a little bit more supportting on Prince if u're a tue fan - he needs that support to b shown!


Oh dear God, you are serious! LOL!

Not everything in someone's life is related to Prince you know!!

I think Rave SUCKS big time, it makes me feel sick that someone so talented could stoop so low.

Conversely, let's analyze you - Maybe your constant fauning and blinkered view of Prince's music is an indication of denial in your own life - your projection of your whole life onto Prince's music might indicate underlying emotions in yourself.

See how ridiculous that sounds; as ridiculous as the psychobabble you purported about me wink


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[This message was edited Tue Apr 29 11:40:45 PDT 2003 by VelvetSplash]
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Reply #15 posted 04/29/03 12:05pm

Jonathan

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Well, 4 me, I enjoy ALL that PRINCE has released especially everything in the 90's 2 present. My 1st album I bought from the man was "Controversy" back in '81 and I have been hooked ever since.

I think that the music on "Emancipation", Chaos and Disorder", "Rave in2/un2 the Joy Fantastic", The Truth" and "The Rainbow Children" are not only incredible but also diversed with musical flavors and lyrical emotions.

Again, 4 me, PRINCE is STILL doing what he does BEST, CREATE exceptional music that is always evolving...

And 4 me, I would rather sit back and listen 2 all that he creates new than sit and criticize what I "want" him to record...but, that's just me. : )
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Reply #16 posted 04/29/03 12:16pm

NME

FunLovin said:

VelvetSplash said:

As recently as 1999 he wanted to (Rave album).

As recently as 1999 he proved he can't (Rave album).

Whether he should or shouldn't is another matter entirely.

I think She Loves Me 4 Me was quite poppy in melody, construction and length.



U r very very negative, aren't u?
I get the feeling that u have been hurt terribly by someone, and now u letting it all ou here,which I think is good. But maybe u should b a little bit more supportting on Prince if u're a tue fan - he needs that support to b shown!


what a stupid fucking comment. what? so if you don't support an album of his you're not a true fan. get a life. no, even better get an OPINION of your OWN. it's quite liberating. twat.
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Reply #17 posted 04/29/03 12:17pm

Handclapsfinga
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FunLovin said:

U r very very negative, aren't u?
I get the feeling that u have been hurt terribly by someone, and now u letting it all ou here,which I think is good. But maybe u should b a little bit more supportting on Prince if u're a tue fan - he needs that support to b shown!



now get off it!!!
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Reply #18 posted 04/29/03 12:20pm

joelmarable

hits are made by radio stations and video channels very little has 2 actually do with the music, and thats a damn shame. if they play it enough on regular rotation, u got yourself a hit. if it stays underground or computer only music, u got yourself wondering what would have happen if this gem would have been heard.prince music is 2 versitile not 2 b shared by all.i hate he's gone underground i really do. i think its the end of hearing him on radio or seeing him in record stores. in other words he is fading like a rainbow.
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Reply #19 posted 04/29/03 12:26pm

SpcMs

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She Loves Me 4 Me was quite a radio hit here in Belgium, 4 over a month i heard it once or twice a day on the radio, and i'm no big radio-listener.

And i think he cannot AND doesn't want 2. What i mean by that is, he doesn't want to do an imitation of Purple Rain era, and he cannot make a hit in the style he prefers these days, although he'd love 2.
"It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."

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Reply #20 posted 04/29/03 12:39pm

purplecam

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joelmarable said:

hits are made by radio stations and video channels very little has 2 actually do with the music, and thats a damn shame. if they play it enough on regular rotation, u got yourself a hit. if it stays underground or computer only music, u got yourself wondering what would have happen if this gem would have been heard.prince music is 2 versitile not 2 b shared by all.i hate he's gone underground i really do. i think its the end of hearing him on radio or seeing him in record stores. in other words he is fading like a rainbow.

Ain't that a shame? It really is. Prince isn't trying to have a hit because he wants a hit HIS way and as long as he has that mindset, he'll never have a hit again. The worst part is that I think he could have another hit but as I said, he's not trying. Plus, if his music continues to have that "force your ideas down my throat" vibe on it, even if he does go with a label, it won't be something that can be marketed well no matter how funky the music is, so we'll see a rerun of Rave all over again.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #21 posted 04/29/03 12:51pm

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Why wouldn't an artist wanna produce big hits? He's just dried up, so all he can do is make boring jazz bullshit music.
"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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Reply #22 posted 04/29/03 1:13pm

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Prince can make hits, but the only problem is that he doesn't have the backing to promote a hit song. The industry has blackballed him so that's his first strike. If he doesn't have "the big machine" pushing a hit on the radio, you'll never hear it and that's strike two. And for strike three and your out, MTV hates Prince now and he'll never have a hit as long as they control the video air waves as well as what's played on the radio.
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Reply #23 posted 04/29/03 1:35pm

jtgillia

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Strike 4 is how his last 5 or 6 singles only got lukewarm, mediocre videos put out for them, 5 months after the single drops.

It's all in the marketing. If Prince doesn't give a fuck about promoting his music to make it a hit, why should we?
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Reply #24 posted 04/29/03 1:51pm

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A hit only becomes a hit when people get a chance to hear it.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #25 posted 04/29/03 1:55pm

rdhull

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EvilWhiteMale said:

Why wouldn't an artist wanna produce big hits? He's just dried up, so all he can do is make boring jazz bullshit music.

give it a rest for a minute.Damn.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #26 posted 04/29/03 2:07pm

NME

joyinrepetition said:

Prince can make hits, but the only problem is that he doesn't have the backing to promote a hit song. The industry has blackballed him so that's his first strike. If he doesn't have "the big machine" pushing a hit on the radio, you'll never hear it and that's strike two. And for strike three and your out, MTV hates Prince now and he'll never have a hit as long as they control the video air waves as well as what's played on the radio.


please don't go down the blackballed by MTV route.. have you any idea of the countless video's that don't get playlisted...? He's not the only one. Wasn't P at the MTV awards only a couple of years ago to introduce TLC. to be honest MTV has given P a huge amount of support in his career.

the people that run the media aren't from the planet zog, they're not 12 years old. They know he's more than earn't his stripes. BUT they're also not stupid or caught up in the the Prince persona. Therefore he doesn't get treated as a priority artist unless the music is commercial.

it's very simple. If Justin or Britney came out with some Avant Garde electro whistle song, it too would be ignored by MTV.
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Reply #27 posted 04/29/03 2:07pm

Handclapsfinga
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don't know...
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Reply #28 posted 04/29/03 2:35pm

Marrk

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NME said:

joyinrepetition said:

Prince can make hits, but the only problem is that he doesn't have the backing to promote a hit song. The industry has blackballed him so that's his first strike. If he doesn't have "the big machine" pushing a hit on the radio, you'll never hear it and that's strike two. And for strike three and your out, MTV hates Prince now and he'll never have a hit as long as they control the video air waves as well as what's played on the radio.


please don't go down the blackballed by MTV route.. have you any idea of the countless video's that don't get playlisted...? He's not the only one. Wasn't P at the MTV awards only a couple of years ago to introduce TLC. to be honest MTV has given P a huge amount of support in his career.

the people that run the media aren't from the planet zog, they're not 12 years old. They know he's more than earn't his stripes. BUT they're also not stupid or caught up in the the Prince persona. Therefore he doesn't get treated as a priority artist unless the music is commercial.

it's very simple. If Justin or Britney came out with some Avant Garde electro whistle song, it too would be ignored by MTV.


No, they'd be labelled both brave and genius, and it would chart no matter how 'out there' it was.
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Reply #29 posted 04/29/03 4:10pm

diamondpearl1

bein the increduble musician that he is of course he can still make hits, but i think since the name change in 93' he got bored with doin the radio thang...all n all i think that change had brought us 10 years of music we're still thinkin bout and discussin 2 this day...
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