lurker316 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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It's you who is speculating instead of looking at the facts.

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https://musicfans.stackex...a/3719/129

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Bart, there is nothing in the article you cite that contradicts what I wrote.

1.) It says the release was negotiated to "fulfill part of his contractual obligations"... which is exactly what I said.

2.) It aslo says "This didn't mean that Prince was all that happy with its release"... which is exactly what I said.

3.) Finally, the article is silent on whether there was a "one-time release" stipulation. Therefore, as I said, there is no factual evidence that such stipulation exists.

So this article supports (rather than contradicts) all of the points I made. What exactly do you think I got wrong? Please enlighten me.

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Bart, I noticed you responded to other posts, but not mine. Typically if you believe you're right you'll keep arguing. It's when you realize you're wrong you go silent. You're bold enough to call people out for their mistakes, but not humble enough to admit when you've made your own.

Do you see the irony in admonishing me to "check the facts" and them citing an article that supports me? Next time, before you challenge me, perhaps you should check the facts.

RODSERLING said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Because it was a one-off deal.

A one-off deal at one million $ to print how many copies? How do you define "one-off"?

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Not known but at the time it was announced as a limited edition, and it became unavailable rather quickly after not selling huge numbers.

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Again : what label currently owns The Black Album? You have absolutely no idea.

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No, but considering the album was never reprinted and its songs were never included on any compilation, my guess is that the rights either went back to Prince, or they became part of whatever complicated legal mess a lot of that 1994/95 era output appears to be in (notice how TGE also went out of print and how compilations avoid its songs).

lurker316 said:

Bart, I noticed you responded to other posts, but not mine. Typically if you believe you're right you'll keep arguing. It's when you realize you're wrong you go silent. You're bold enough to call people out for their mistakes, but not humble enough to admit when you've made your own.

Do you see the irony in admonishing me to "check the facts" and them citing an article that supports me? Next time, before you challenge me, perhaps you should check the facts.

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Do we know for sure that it was a one-time release? Well, let's see, does it behave like a one-time release? Oh look, it does. Does all the evidence suggest it was a one-time release? Yup.

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As for the facts: you said "he only begrudgingly agreed to allow WB to release TBA to get out of his contract" and while that was originally part of the negotiations, in the end that didn't happen. See also https://musicfans.stackex...a/2171/129 .

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You said "speculation that there was an agreement at the time that it would be a one-time only release with no re-releases permitted" and sure, that's speculation but it is speculation supported by the observable facts.

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It looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quaks like a duck -- call me crazy but I'd say chances are it is a duck. Is that speculation? Sure, but it's not like I said some random object is a duck. We'll likely never get the truth of all that went on back then, quite frankly I'm astonished we know so much behind the scenes details already.

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See also: the speculation that at one point Warners told Prince to stop releasing Warner-era outtakes and live recordings via NPGMC et al. Do we know that for sure? Nope. But the observable facts are that he did this repeatedly, and then suddenly stopped doing it and never did it again, and that the few times he did go back to a known outtake, he re-recorded that song. (Honestly, the crazy thing from that era is Warners allowing him to get away with so much blatant infringement; I mean at one time they released a cassette rip from a song that was a B-Side during the D&P era via NPGMC! The least crazy thing is thinking that Warners sent him a C&D.)

The Estate's vinyl webpage added pre-orders of 6 reprint catalog titles on Sony Legacy, all on 150g black vinyl:

FOR YOU https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

PRINCE https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

DIRTY MIND https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

CONTROVERSY https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

1999 https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

ATWIAD https://store.prince.com/...233_103248

The page for 1999 doesn't indicate if it's the original mastered or the remastered.

I wonder if they'll also have another reprint of the remastered SOTT at the same time seeing as Target is getting this exclusive the same week: https://www.target.com/p/...A-85383181 I see that The Estate store still has some Warner copies remaining, but I'll bet there will be a Sony Legacy reprint on 150g black vinyl after that stock sells out. Or perhaps on teal vinyl! Or purple vinyl... LOL.

Vannormal said:

They couldn't at least add B-Sides to these? What are they saving them for? Do we really anticipate a ATWIAD Deluxe??

homesquid said:

RODSERLING said:

homesquid said:

They couldn't at least add B-Sides to these? What are they saving them for? Do we really anticipate a ATWIAD Deluxe??

You know, when Prince was alive, I could have luved with reissues with only one disc of b-sides, remixes, etc. , or even not wn additional disc but on the disc of the album itself. I would have still been happy with this. Why WB couldn't do that, circa 2004, etc? If Sony bought the rights to Musicology, etc. Why couldn't they add the b-sides to it? Simple lazyness, lack of care, or simply they don't have the rights?

Yeah but the WB stuff. Surely Sony has the rights to "She's Always In My Hair", "Girl" and "Hello". What future project will these end up on? I mean I would adore an ATWIAD deluxe if that's even possible. It's too bad they didn't ask Rhino to do reissues.

homesquid said:

homesquid said:

They couldn't at least add B-Sides to these? What are they saving them for? Do we really anticipate a ATWIAD Deluxe??

I do.

I have a feeling from what we see here we can get an idea of what we are not going to see coming from the estate, meaning I doubt a ATWID or For You or Prince etc....vault type issues. I still think there is a major issue with Gold Experience because of TMBGITW and I know some might say take the song off, but I have a feeling Prince has something somewhere in some contract that no issues of albums can be changed. The love symbol I think could see a vault type issue because it has stuff that was removed switched out, and also I have an idea we could see a concert dvd from that era tour. I think that's probably sadly the last commercial appealing type of issue that they might do from the 90's and on. As much as I want to see a Come Gold type issue with the way he wanted it I think there's so much red tape and things out of wack, this is not a Beatles type of situation where all the albums are in play for reissues and deluxes .

Personally, I do not own Prince and Controversy on vinyl and I just ordered both for US$50, so I'm not mad. It's actually not expensive at all.

I'm excited

dm3857 said:

RODSERLING said:

dm3857 said:

Disappointed that most of these have been apart of the rereleases the past few years.. I mean there is literally 3 copies of for you at my local books a million as of yesterday.. excited about Lovesexy and Come, but where is.. • Vanity 6 • The Family • D&P • the love symbol • black album • the gold experience • crystal ball • Exodus • New power Soul & it still baffles me that a large chunk of his officially released material is still not on streaming service’s half a decade after his passing.

What's exciting about Lovesexy and Come? 😂 They were already available in stores.

Yeah, they were available in stores 25 years ago... They have been out of print for a long time. I actually just looked for come on vinyl out of curiosity and you can buy it used for an absurd price, the average prie on discogs.com says 202 dollars.. meanwhile i can get for you at books a million for 20 bucks.. that's what i was referring to.

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darkroman said:

Pointless!

Many of those titles have already been re-issued in the last five years.

The Prince Estate continually prove themselves to be run by the mentally disabled.

It's pointless to you. They have a plan, which frankly has been laid out 100x on here.

darkroman said:

Pointless!

Many of those titles have already been re-issued in the last five years.

The Prince Estate continually prove themselves to be run by the mentally disabled.

Don't use that as an insult. I'm mentally disabled and still a functional member of society. We aren't gibbering idiots, we're people.

TrivialPursuit said:

darkroman said:

Pointless!

Many of those titles have already been re-issued in the last five years.

The Prince Estate continually prove themselves to be run by the mentally disabled.

It's pointless to you. They have a plan, which frankly has been laid out 100x on here.

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RODSERLING said:

They have a plan? My ass. I was right, again. Dr Funkenberry apparently said "they" Were atill hesitating between Parade and D&P. Thanks the trolls here that were kept on saying for months they didn't want a D&P SDE. Don't expect it before the end of the year... 2022.

anyway....plan or not except if the box is already made stocked somewhere & ready to go.....they need several months to made a box (vinyls/cds etc..) so this is a long way to go before something in our hands !

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love2thenines2003 said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

anyway....plan or not except if the box is already made stocked somewhere & ready to go.....they need several months to made a box (vinyls/cds etc..) so this is a long way to go before something in our hands !

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Just for the vinyls they need at least four months between the official announcement and the actual release. Let's just hope they scheduled something else before, but it seems unlikely. Sony just went to acquire some WB rights, that means D&P would be a Sony/WB release, amd as I suspected it for months, there are some unresolved issues between all the parts involved.

Sony rights are only for back catalogue (except PR/Parade/GB/Black Album and some others) but no aggreement for Vault material & remastering.....they need both...agreement from WB/The Estate for WB Era & The Estate agreement for the other periods .....at this stage ....their imput is very limited to press records without any bonus & remastering process.

love2thenines2003 said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Sony rights are only for back catalogue (except PR/Parade/GB/Black Album and some others) but no aggreement for Vault material & remastering.....they need both...agreement from WB/The Estate for WB Era & The Estate agreement for the other periods .....at this stage ....their imput is very limited to press records without any bonus & remastering process.

I know that very well, but that's not the point here. D&P the album, doesn't belong anymore 100% to WB. They have to share some rights with Sony. Then why would they bother release it now, when they can release a soundtrack from which they have 100% of the rights? It's been months I m asking that question. WB had a window to release it for 2021, but they passed on the option. Now it must be a mess in negotiations between the two labels. [Edited 12/16/21 8:39am] [Edited 12/16/21 8:40am]

.....nope.....rights from all the unreleased stuff where Prince was under WB contract belong to WB and not Sony !

love2thenines2003 said:

RODSERLING said:

love2thenines2003 said:

.....nope.....rights from all the unreleased stuff where Prince was under WB contract belong to WB and not Sony !

D&P, the album that sold 7 millions copies worldwide, unreleased stuff? Or would you imply the SDE of D&P won't include the album itself?

from my understanding but i can be wrong ......WB/The Estate can release D&P SDE (official and unreleased content) because Warner has always under control the Vault material from this era & rights for distribution in some parts of the world ..if they decide to release it..they can do it !