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Thread started 11/25/21 1:40am

donnadiavolo

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What Prince songs get a surprisingly low play rate on Spotify?

I'm shocked to know Temptation sits on 695k plays. It is the least played track on ATWIAD, but I get it; it's like drinking a cool glass of water after eating some pineapple. And while I'm at it, is I Wanna Melt With U really that bad? 480k plays?

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Reply #1 posted 11/25/21 2:55am

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If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc.
You can't expect it to have strong streaming.
Especially if it's on a not well-known album.

Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end.
A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical.

And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜
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Reply #2 posted 11/25/21 3:30am

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RODSERLING said:

If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜

You've scorched me and the Temptation fans.

I don't agree that a final song should be less heard considering the option of shuffling through an album nowadays, but I see your logic.

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Reply #3 posted 11/25/21 10:51am

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donnadiavolo said:



RODSERLING said:


If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜

You've scorched me and the Temptation fans.



I don't agree that a final song should be less heard considering the option of shuffling through an album nowadays, but I see your logic.



By the same logic, the first track of an album has a listening boost.
How many listenings for the opening track of ATWIAD?
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Reply #4 posted 11/25/21 11:26am

SoulAlive

"Temptation" is a terrible song.I hardly ever listen to it.

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Reply #5 posted 11/25/21 12:10pm

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RODSERLING said:


Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end.
A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical.


Like Purple Rain, for example. razz
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Reply #6 posted 11/25/21 1:33pm

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All you gotta do is put BTS on the songs and they will hit a billion in a few days.


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Reply #7 posted 11/25/21 1:40pm

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RODSERLING said:

If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜

Not sure exactly how long someone has to listen for before it's considered a play, but it's not the whole song.

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Reply #8 posted 11/25/21 2:27pm

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RODSERLING said:


If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜


Not sure exactly how long someone has to listen for before it's considered a play, but it's not the whole song.



Good point, but when you're not familiar with the artist, yyou see a 9 min song, ythat s a trial.
You d rather try a shorter song
Of course, Temptation is not Purple Rain.
There was a reason why Prince made hit amd run 1 so short : it was his first album on streaming. He wanted to be sure people went to the end of the album amd the songs.
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Reply #9 posted 11/25/21 6:33pm

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RODSERLING said:

donnadiavolo said:



RODSERLING said:


If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜

You've scorched me and the Temptation fans.



I don't agree that a final song should be less heard considering the option of shuffling through an album nowadays, but I see your logic.



By the same logic, the first track of an album has a listening boost.
How many listenings for the opening track of ATWIAD?


More than Temptation lol The theory that an opening track should have many listens more is not applicable of every album. Look at an album like UTCM; the first three tracks are the least played.
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Reply #10 posted 11/25/21 6:45pm

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RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said:



RODSERLING said:


If a song wasn't released on single or promoted on the radio, movie, etc. You can't expect it to have strong streaming. Especially if it's on a not well-known album. Moreover, generally the last song on an album is the least played, because most people give up the listening in its entirety before the end. A song of 9 minutes length would get less play than a 3 or 4 minutes song, that's logical. And by the way, 695k for Temptation is already huge for such a crappy song😜


Not sure exactly how long someone has to listen for before it's considered a play, but it's not the whole song.



Good point, but when you're not familiar with the artist, yyou see a 9 min song, ythat s a trial.
You d rather try a shorter song
Of course, Temptation is not Purple Rain.
There was a reason why Prince made hit amd run 1 so short : it was his first album on streaming. He wanted to be sure people went to the end of the album amd the songs.


Maybe so, but how does streaming make a difference to how one plays through an album? It’s no different to moving a needle or hitting skip on a CD player. HITNRUN Phase One is only a song short of 40 minutes.
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Reply #11 posted 11/26/21 2:07am

RODSERLING

donnadiavolo said:

RODSERLING said:



Good point, but when you're not familiar with the artist, yyou see a 9 min song, ythat s a trial.
You d rather try a shorter song
Of course, Temptation is not Purple Rain.
There was a reason why Prince made hit amd run 1 so short : it was his first album on streaming. He wanted to be sure people went to the end of the album amd the songs.


Maybe so, but how does streaming make a difference to how one plays through an album? It’s no different to moving a needle or hitting skip on a CD player. HITNRUN Phase One is only a song short of 40 minutes.


But there are 11 songs for 38 minutes, so an average of about 3 minutes by songs. So that maximises the chance of a casual listener listening to it without him getting too bored and skip a song.

That's the common strategy used nowadays by many popular artists whose "sales" Comes mostly from streaming.
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Reply #12 posted 11/26/21 2:13am

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RODSERLING said:

donnadiavolo said:
Maybe so, but how does streaming make a difference to how one plays through an album? It’s no different to moving a needle or hitting skip on a CD player. HITNRUN Phase One is only a song short of 40 minutes.
But there are 11 songs for 38 minutes, so an average of about 3 minutes by songs. So that maximises the chance of a casual listener listening to it without him getting too bored and skip a song. That's the common strategy used nowadays by many popular artists whose "sales" Comes mostly from streaming.

Ah, I had no idea. Thanks for explaining smile

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Reply #13 posted 11/26/21 2:58am

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"Temptation" is a terrible song.I hardly ever listen to it.

Well, it's a fantastic song to me.

I never ever skip it.

It ends in fear and desperation... as he says 'goodbye'.

Fantastic creepy ass song to me.

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Reply #14 posted 11/26/21 10:44am

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Vannormal said:



SoulAlive said:


"Temptation" is a terrible song.I hardly ever listen to it.



Well, it's a fantastic song to me.


I never ever skip it.


It ends in fear and desperation... as he says 'goodbye'.


Fantastic creepy ass song to me.



"Goodbye", and remember it was supposed to be the end of his career.
After founding the ladder, and understood that love was more important than sex, one cycle was over.
He came back only because he found out the reason for all that April's Snow, amd then became more spiritual.
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Reply #15 posted 11/26/21 12:33pm

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donnadiavolo said:

I'm shocked to know Temptation sits on 695k plays. It is the least played track on ATWIAD, but I get it; it's like drinking a cool glass of water after eating some pineapple. And while I'm at it, is I Wanna Melt With U really that bad? 480k plays?



I love eye wanna melt with you it's such a fun song... it's crazy to me it wasn't going to be on the finished track list
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Reply #16 posted 11/27/21 3:51am

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RODSERLING said:

"Goodbye", and remember it was supposed to be the end of his career.
After founding the ladder, and understood that love was more important than sex, one cycle was over.
He came back only because he found out the reason for all that April's Snow, amd then became more spiritual.

Really?! I’ve never heard that before. What’s the story behind what was meant to be “the end of his career”?
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Reply #17 posted 11/27/21 4:01am

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Vannormal said:



SoulAlive said:


"Temptation" is a terrible song.I hardly ever listen to it.



Well, it's a fantastic song to me.


I never ever skip it.


It ends in fear and desperation... as he says 'goodbye'.


Fantastic creepy ass song to me.


Fear and desperation indeed. I love how his voice fluctuates on the track, then his screaming like his mind’s in a straitjacket.
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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

donnadiavolo said:

I'm shocked to know Temptation sits on 695k plays. It is the least played track on ATWIAD, but I get it; it's like drinking a cool glass of water after eating some pineapple. And while I'm at it, is I Wanna Melt With U really that bad? 480k plays?



I love eye wanna melt with you it's such a fun song... it's crazy to me it wasn't going to be on the finished track list

If it weren’t on the album we’d probably be listening to it in solid potato quality right now bheart
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Reply #19 posted 11/27/21 7:24am

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Temptation is one of his worst songs. That silly God talk then he lies about leaving, then he goes and fires Wendy And Lisa.

I Wanna Melt With You is the jam. Fuck em.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 11/27/21 8:29pm

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2freaky4church1 said:


I Wanna Melt With You is the jam. Fuck em.


lol lol
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Reply #21 posted 11/29/21 5:53am

Vannormal

RODSERLING said:

Vannormal said:

Well, it's a fantastic song to me.

I never ever skip it.

It ends in fear and desperation... as he says 'goodbye'.

Fantastic creepy ass song to me.

"Goodbye", and remember it was supposed to be the end of his career. After founding the ladder, and understood that love was more important than sex, one cycle was over. He came back only because he found out the reason for all that April's Snow, amd then became more spiritual.

All ever so true. wink

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Actually, how many times did Prince officialy announced that he would stop ?

There are at least a few times that I remember... from back in the days.

Aaahhhhhhh, back in the dayzzz. smile

When Prince was mad as fuck, and we all took it the way it came.

wink

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Reply #22 posted 11/29/21 5:59am

Vannormal

RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said:

Not sure exactly how long someone has to listen for before it's considered a play, but it's not the whole song.

Good point, but when you're not familiar with the artist, yyou see a 9 min song, ythat s a trial. You d rather try a shorter song Of course, Temptation is not Purple Rain. There was a reason why Prince made hit amd run 1 so short : it was his first album on streaming. He wanted to be sure people went to the end of the album amd the songs.

"albums matter, like black lives..."

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Streaming... I believe Prince didn't get that quite right imho.

Yet he wanted an album to be heard as an album, by making a short one for streaming ?

Naaaah, nope.

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My nephew, 14yo, first gives a quick few seconds spin of each track on an album of his most favorite artist.

Then he quickly selects some for his playlist, dletes te rest, thus never listens to that album again - ...is what he told me.

''Why should I'', he said, "when the rest is crap..."

Quick consumerism is a term he did not wanted to hear about, when I tried to explained that to him.

...and I felt old. Very old.

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Reply #23 posted 11/29/21 6:00am

Vannormal

donnadiavolo said:

Vannormal said:

Well, it's a fantastic song to me.

I never ever skip it.

It ends in fear and desperation... as he says 'goodbye'.

Fantastic creepy ass song to me.

Fear and desperation indeed. I love how his voice fluctuates on the track, then his screaming like his mind’s in a straitjacket.

I just long for a better masterred version.

The one on the LP and CD are so loud, and also not well mixed.

Same for Raspberry Beret and a few others...

Love that album by the way.

Really do.

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Reply #24 posted 11/29/21 6:31am

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All of them


I just saw the figures for the modern rappers and the likes of cardi b ....oh no no no
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Reply #25 posted 11/29/21 10:16am

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Apparently 150 streams equal one single track sale, and 1250 streams of an album equal one album sale.

Meanwhile, Spotify pays artist on average $0.0038 per stream. Tidal pays over double that, which is why Prince was more OK with them.

The thing Prince didn't "get" about streaming is volume . . . he could have milked his past catalog -- stuff that was never going to sell huge amounts of CDs anyway -- and rake in the cash by basically doing nothing.

He could have held back the newer stuff to drive up CD sales.

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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

All of them I just saw the figures for the modern rappers and the likes of cardi b ....oh no no no

Somebody currently popular is always going to be bigger than oldies artists. It's not like Al Jolson & The Andrews Sisters was a thing for the 1980s MTV audience. lol There's some oldies songs that are currently big though, because they are used a lot in movies, TV shows, video games, commercials, etc. Such as:

A-ha ~ Take On Me
Rick Astley ~ Never Gonna Give You Up
Michael Jackson ~ Billie Jean
Wham! ~ Last Christmas
Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell ~ Ain't No Mountain High Enough
Earth Wind & Fire ~ September / Boogie Wonderland

MC Hammer ~ U Can't Touch This

Queen ~ Bohemian Rhapsody

Kool & The Gang ~ Celebration

Whitney Houston ~ I Will Always Love You

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