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Thread started 11/09/21 4:22am

LoveGalore

Joy in Repetition with no segue in.

Could this be the biggest oversight since leaving off those two songs from the 1999 SDE?

When Michael Howe brought up making streaming playlists, I can't believe he thought people would want to make a version of Crystal Ball or DF with songs that have variating sound levels much less chopped segues like this case.

One of my biggest wishes now, aside from unheard material, is a one off single release of Joy in Repetition where it has a clean intro. And maybe put a demo or other song as a bside. But holy shit, does this make anyone else go insane?
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Reply #1 posted 11/09/21 4:27am

Seahawkeye

LoveGalore said:

But holy shit, does this make anyone else go insane?

Absolutely drives me nuts.

It's the one track I really want, and I come to this forum literally every day in the hope that there'll be some news about it.

Your thread heading raised my hopes for a moment, but still, happy to know I'm not the only person who feels like this.

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Reply #2 posted 11/09/21 5:10am

JorisE73

LoveGalore said:

Could this be the biggest oversight since leaving off those two songs from the 1999 SDE? When Michael Howe brought up making streaming playlists, I can't believe he thought people would want to make a version of Crystal Ball or DF with songs that have variating sound levels much less chopped segues like this case. One of my biggest wishes now, aside from unheard material, is a one off single release of Joy in Repetition where it has a clean intro. And maybe put a demo or other song as a bside. But holy shit, does this make anyone else go insane?



Even tho it doesn't belong on there I still naively hope for this one to appear on a Parade SDE (just like the other material they didn't put on SOTT SDE.)

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Reply #3 posted 11/09/21 6:29am

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One of his greatest songs, but kind of trashed by how he offically released it, and made the laziest "music video" for it in the movie (to an edited, abbreviated version of the song).

This should have been an SOTT b-side since it didn't make the final album. With the lone intro. Imagine if we had had that instead of only super generic remixes of Hot Thing on that 12"?

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Reply #4 posted 11/09/21 7:04am

JorisE73

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One of his greatest songs, but kind of trashed by how he offically released it, and made the laziest "music video" for it in the movie (to an edited, abbreviated version of the song).

This should have been an SOTT b-side since it didn't make the final album. With the lone intro. Imagine if we had had that instead of only super generic remixes of Hot Thing on that 12"?


The Hot Thing remixes belong on there becuase they were released on 12". But that Strange Relationship remix by that corny every-remix-sounds-teh-same hack Pettibone could have been left off and replaced by this.

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Reply #5 posted 11/09/21 7:12am

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JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

Could this be the biggest oversight since leaving off those two songs from the 1999 SDE? When Michael Howe brought up making streaming playlists, I can't believe he thought people would want to make a version of Crystal Ball or DF with songs that have variating sound levels much less chopped segues like this case. One of my biggest wishes now, aside from unheard material, is a one off single release of Joy in Repetition where it has a clean intro. And maybe put a demo or other song as a bside. But holy shit, does this make anyone else go insane?



Even tho it doesn't belong on there I still naively hope for this one to appear on a Parade SDE (just like the other material they didn't put on SOTT SDE.)

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !

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Reply #6 posted 11/09/21 7:27am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:



Even tho it doesn't belong on there I still naively hope for this one to appear on a Parade SDE (just like the other material they didn't put on SOTT SDE.)

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !


Yeah, well the Estate could at least give us the full version. It's not like we're asking for those 3 guitar take versions, even tho i would love to hear those but unless the Estate releases those we'll probab;y never hear those.

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/21 8:23am

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Surely some fan has frankensteined the intro to the released…
"I like to watch."
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/21 8:29am

paisleypark4

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sulls said:

Surely some fan has frankensteined the intro to the released…

Yes, I believe I have a version a friend mashed up with the original outro from the cassette version as well.

That is the only issue with this classic song. So many ranging sources...also Prince himself placed it on different configurations with the intro also spliced in wrong areas. The released version's crowd introduction even starts in stereo and splits into mono by accident.

By the time he was going digital I think he was like.."f**k it I am not doing that all over again!" and moved on especially considering that song was old and played out to him by that time.

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Reply #9 posted 11/09/21 8:41am

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JorisE73 said:

ufoclub said:

One of his greatest songs, but kind of trashed by how he offically released it, and made the laziest "music video" for it in the movie (to an edited, abbreviated version of the song).

This should have been an SOTT b-side since it didn't make the final album. With the lone intro. Imagine if we had had that instead of only super generic remixes of Hot Thing on that 12"?


The Hot Thing remixes belong on there becuase they were released on 12". But that Strange Relationship remix by that corny every-remix-sounds-teh-same hack Pettibone could have been left off and replaced by this.

I'm talking about back in 1987, not now. I mean on vinyl.

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Reply #10 posted 11/09/21 10:39am

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The haunting beat at the start make the mood so different. Kind like a different angle of approach.
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Reply #11 posted 11/09/21 11:27am

glamlife2

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The haunting beat at the start make the mood so different. Kind like a different angle of approach.

I love that intro so much. I have frankensteined it myself several times over the years but never really satisfied with the outcome. Last version I applied noise reduction to the intro which did help match it to the GBridge version.

But yes, please let it come out at some point! smile

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Reply #12 posted 11/09/21 12:09pm

Wolfie87

Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/21 1:23pm

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love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:



Even tho it doesn't belong on there I still naively hope for this one to appear on a Parade SDE (just like the other material they didn't put on SOTT SDE.)

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !


interesting. but how much more amazing could they possibly be?

i mean, the joy in repetition guitar work is the most amazing and emotive in his glorious catalogue of amazing parts.


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Reply #14 posted 11/09/21 1:24pm

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but yes, this song NEEDS TO NEEDS TO NEEDS TO be released in full.

the cassette version ending is already a big improvement over the cd one.


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Reply #15 posted 11/09/21 1:30pm

ufoclub

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Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.

That segue pre-dates "Lovesexy" and "Alphabet St".

In other words he reused the 1987 segue from "The Ball" to "Joy In Repetition" that was made for "Crystal Ball" the album on 1988's "Lovesexy" (He also remixed/reworked "The Ball" into "Eye No", than resused the segue again on 1990's "Graffiti Bridge".

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Reply #16 posted 11/09/21 1:45pm

LoveGalore

ufoclub said:



Wolfie87 said:


Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.


That segue pre-dates "Lovesexy" and "Alphabet St".

In other words he reused the 1987 segue from "The Ball" to "Joy In Repetition" that was made for "Crystal Ball" the album on 1988's "Lovesexy" (He also remixed/reworked "The Ball" into "Eye No", than resused the segue again on 1990's "Graffiti Bridge".



Sure, but it was still a very strange choice to re-edit the song specifically to include it on GB for no ostensible reason.
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Reply #17 posted 11/09/21 3:40pm

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Meh. I've never understood the appeal of the drumbeat intro. I think the alley talk sets the scene much more effectively.

That said, I would be all in for a compilation of alternate mixes such as this, the rough mix of Witness, sax version of Crucial, etc, etc....

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Reply #18 posted 11/09/21 5:45pm

TrivialPursuit

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TwiliteKid said:

Meh. I've never understood the appeal of the drumbeat intro. I think the alley talk sets the scene much more effectively.


But what other instrumentation are we missing with all that alley talk? I'd like to hear it without the sound FX.

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Reply #19 posted 11/10/21 1:01am

JorisE73

ufoclub said:

JorisE73 said:


The Hot Thing remixes belong on there becuase they were released on 12". But that Strange Relationship remix by that corny every-remix-sounds-teh-same hack Pettibone could have been left off and replaced by this.

I'm talking about back in 1987, not now. I mean on vinyl.


Ah you're right. Yes, those Hot Thing could have been left off in favor of teh full Joy.

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Reply #20 posted 11/10/21 1:03am

JorisE73

LILpoundCAKE said:

love2thenines2003 said:

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !


interesting. but how much more amazing could they possibly be?

i mean, the joy in repetition guitar work is the most amazing and emotive in his glorious catalogue of amazing parts.



It would be interesting to hear which of the 3 solos he edited into which part and where.

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Reply #21 posted 11/10/21 1:05am

JorisE73

Wolfie87 said:

Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.


It;s the other way around.

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Reply #22 posted 11/10/21 4:38am

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It'll be on GB SDE, scheduled for 2034.
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Reply #23 posted 11/10/21 5:42am

Vannormal

Wolfie87 said:

Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.

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Agree somehow.

Can't ever listen to that without having 'Eye No' poppin' up in my head.

He should've mixed it backwards into the song.

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Reply #24 posted 11/10/21 9:47am

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I suspect that the original intro was lost during the adding of the segue and therefore stayed this way.

Just like the swap of adore and beautiful night
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Reply #25 posted 11/10/21 2:29pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

TwiliteKid said:

Meh. I've never understood the appeal of the drumbeat intro. I think the alley talk sets the scene much more effectively.


But what other instrumentation are we missing with all that alley talk? I'd like to hear it without the sound FX.

Its just four kick drum echos really from the song...before the song starts. It lasts 32 seconds exactly.

I agree, the Lovesexy alley / bar segue fits because that is what he is talking about in the song.
People like to frequent that club down on 36th.

[Edited 11/10/21 14:31pm]

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Reply #26 posted 11/10/21 4:56pm

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"for every time she said the words, another one of his doubts were gone"

imagine recording songs like Crystal Ball and Joy In Repetition in 1986? he was WAY beyond his time.

my favorite Prince song. unfortunately it's missing from Brazilian streaming services... probably because of some random song by a random artist featured on the Grafitti Bridge soundtrack.

[Edited 11/10/21 16:57pm]

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Reply #27 posted 11/10/21 5:40pm

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love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:



Even tho it doesn't belong on there I still naively hope for this one to appear on a Parade SDE (just like the other material they didn't put on SOTT SDE.)

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !


'Highest circles' lol. I know a few of them and they have old cassettes that are increasingly becoming irrelevant as the SDE's get released.

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Reply #28 posted 11/11/21 12:40am

JorisE73

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love2thenines2003 said:

....among big collectors ...i heard that alternate takes(different guitar parts) of Joy in Repetition do exist... circulating not in public domains but in the highest circles of collectors !


'Highest circles' lol. I know a few of them and they have old cassettes that are increasingly becoming irrelevant as the SDE's get released.


True, but they also have material teh Estate refuses to release and I don't think they care wether what they have is being released on SDE's.
Plus the fact that there are collectors who have more than just some old cassettes.

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Reply #29 posted 11/11/21 2:35am

Wolfie87

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Wolfie87 said:


Was he just that lazy that he really re-used the Alphabet St segue into an official album? "I bet you no one will notice". Sure Prince, sure. Horrible decision.

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Agree somehow.


Can't ever listen to that without having 'Eye No' poppin' up in my head.


He should've mixed it backwards into the song.


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And it's not like he was a underground artist at this particular moment and he probably had state of the art new production gear. And this project was maybe the biggest and most expensive of his entire career. Still couldn't edit 10 seconds of a song. Blows my mind!
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