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Thread started 10/28/21 3:25pm

BartVanHemelen

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Carole Davis says she completely wrote "Slow Love", and Prince was barely involved

https://twitter.com/carol...9357293582

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I wrote the music AND lyrics entirely. He helped me rework and rearrange the bridge. The vocal arrangements were mine. Don’t forget he tried to buy that song out right from me w the intention of not crediting me at all.

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Reply #1 posted 10/28/21 3:36pm

TwiliteKid

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BartVanHemelen said:

https://twitter.com/carol...9357293582

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I wrote the music AND lyrics entirely. He helped me rework and rearrange the bridge. The vocal arrangements were mine. Don’t forget he tried to buy that song out right from me w the intention of not crediting me at all.

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It's weird that she never objected to the co-credit until after he died, but given the other examples of Prince taking credit (Do Me Baby, Party Up, etc) I'm inclined to believe the bulk of the song is hers. That said - she's going to claim the vocal arrangement too? Bullshit - let's hear your demo, Carole!

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Reply #2 posted 10/28/21 4:27pm

TrivialPursuit

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TwiliteKid said:

BartVanHemelen said:

https://twitter.com/carol...9357293582

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It's weird that she never objected to the co-credit until after he died, but given the other examples of Prince taking credit ("Do Me Baby," "Partyup," etc.) I'm inclined to believe the bulk of the song is hers. That said - she's going to claim the vocal arrangement too? Bullshit - let's hear your demo, Carole!


Why couldn't they be hers?

And you're right, Prince did that shit a lot. There's the whole Sandra St. Vincent thing, too. Prince often played fast and loose with writing credits like that.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #3 posted 10/28/21 4:59pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

TwiliteKid said:


It's weird that she never objected to the co-credit until after he died, but given the other examples of Prince taking credit ("Do Me Baby," "Partyup," etc.) I'm inclined to believe the bulk of the song is hers. That said - she's going to claim the vocal arrangement too? Bullshit - let's hear your demo, Carole!


Why couldn't they be hers?

And you're right, Prince did that shit a lot. There's the whole Sandra St. Vincent thing, too. Prince often played fast and loose with writing credits like that.

I suppose they could, but it feels a bit like scope creep - the story is getting broader each time she tells it.

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Reply #4 posted 10/28/21 5:52pm

TrivialPursuit

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TwiliteKid said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Why couldn't they be hers?

And you're right, Prince did that shit a lot. There's the whole Sandra St. Vincent thing, too. Prince often played fast and loose with writing credits like that.

I suppose they could, but it feels a bit like scope creep - the story is getting broader each time she tells it.


Listen, I don't disagree. Everyone's story has greatly expanded. Brownmark thinks Prince relied on him to exist, and goddamn Sheila E. thinks she's Prince reincarnated, aside from those times she's in the grieving widow role.

I think we hear Prince song, and because he's so talented and makes a song his own, that maybe it's hard to believe that someone else could write a great song; and when Prince uses the song he so envelopes it and makes it his own that we forget - hey, someone else did that. Someone else wrote it, and Prince just put his stink on it.

But I would like to hear her version or demo pre-1986.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #5 posted 10/28/21 6:49pm

GustavoRibas

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Princevault site already updated the info about it.

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Reply #6 posted 10/28/21 7:48pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Princevault site already updated the info about it.


Please provide link

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Reply #7 posted 10/28/21 8:23pm

TrivialPursuit

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luv4u said:

GustavoRibas said:

Princevault site already updated the info about it.


Please provide link


princevault.com

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #8 posted 10/28/21 8:43pm

Phase3

Ah,so that's why that song is the only tame track on SOTT
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Reply #9 posted 10/28/21 9:05pm

SoulAlive

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Ah,so that's why that song is the only tame track on SOTT


I like this song biggrin I never understood why it gets trashed so much.
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Reply #10 posted 10/28/21 9:42pm

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Oh boy, another one coming out of the woodwork. I mean maybe she did, but I just find it funny at how these people never really spoke up when he was alive.
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Reply #11 posted 10/28/21 9:56pm

yzman

Now it makes sense why I never liked or could get into this song. I must've intuitively knew it didn't come from him. Too clitche and amateurish. He was way beyond the level of that song at that time. Now I no longer feel guilty that i always just skipped it. Thanks

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Reply #12 posted 10/28/21 10:28pm

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Slow Love is the only clunker of the album.
I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince.

If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved.

It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry.
It's a song nobody ever cared.
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Reply #13 posted 10/28/21 11:03pm

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Carole Davis‘S version is freaking hideous. Prince’s own decisions clearly made this a better song

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Reply #14 posted 10/28/21 11:31pm

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automatic said:

Oh boy, another one coming out of the woodwork. I mean maybe she did, but I just find it funny at how these people never really spoke up when he was alive. [Edited 10/28/21 21:43pm]

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If only there was a way to check if she wrote tweets about Prince prior to his death... (Hint: there is.)

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Reply #15 posted 10/28/21 11:32pm

BartVanHemelen

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yzman said:

Now it makes sense why I never liked or could get into this song. I must've intuitively knew it didn't come from him. Too clitche and amateurish. He was way beyond the level of that song at that time. Now I no longer feel guilty that i always just skipped it. Thanks

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LOL. Yeah, it's such a shitty song PRINCE TRIED TO BUY IT FROM HER.

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Reply #16 posted 10/28/21 11:33pm

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RODSERLING said:


If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved.

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Have you tried READING WHAT CAROLE POSTED?

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Reply #17 posted 10/28/21 11:40pm

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luv4u said:


Please provide link


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Reply #18 posted 10/28/21 11:52pm

Vannormal

RODSERLING said:

Slow Love is the only clunker of the album. I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince. If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved. It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry. It's a song nobody ever cared.

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You and your ever competiton of ''the best'' vs ''the worst'', and everything in between is unimportant.

Like you love for numbers, number one's, sold copies, qualtities, price, axrds, etc...

Funny, but i somehow like it. I said it before... smile

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There are far more mediocre things done by Prince that stand out fantastically to for instance ''When Doves Cry'' or ''1999''... but you have to be willing to feel that.

Peace though.

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And for your information, ''Slow Love'', is well placed on ''Sign O The Times''.

It fits in perfectly where it's at. I has the perfect place and is the perfect 'pace' between the songs.

It's even a must on the album for the continuation of this wonderful collection of extremly different songs altogether.

I absolutely love this song, so i DO CARE about it very much.

There is actually not one single song on that cohesive album I don't like.

Simple cause I can't see any song from SOTT as a seperate outstanding song - it' smy handicap i know. smile

They all create the perfect blend and together they make that soft bending that flows throughout this splendid album excisting of a weird collection of writings from different projects, from beginning to end.

Not many Prince albums can enjoy this pace and touchy rhythm with so many diverse songs than SOTT.

And that's it. smile

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Don't ever say ''It's a song nobody ever cared.''

That is something you will never actually know for certain.

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Reply #19 posted 10/29/21 12:27am

JorisE73

I think it's one of the highlights on SOTT and I would love to hear her demo.
She's been claiming this for decades tho even when Prince was alive so it's not like she's sudddenly now that he's dead coming out with this claim.

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Reply #20 posted 10/29/21 12:34am

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Vannormal said:



RODSERLING said:


Slow Love is the only clunker of the album. I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince. If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved. It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry. It's a song nobody ever cared.


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You and your ever competiton of ''the best'' vs ''the worst'', and everything in between is unimportant.


Like you love for numbers, number one's, sold copies, qualtities, price, axrds, etc...


Funny, but i somehow like it. I said it before... smile


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There are far more mediocre things done by Prince that stand out fantastically to for instance ''When Doves Cry'' or ''1999''... but you have to be willing to feel that.


Peace though.


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And for your information, ''Slow Love'', is well placed on ''Sign O The Times''.


It fits in perfectly where it's at. I has the perfect place and is the perfect 'pace' between the songs.


It's even a must on the album for the continuation of this wonderful collection of extremly different songs altogether.


I absolutely love this song, so i DO CARE about it very much.


There is actually not one single song on that cohesive album I don't like.


Simple cause I can't see any song from SOTT as a seperate outstanding song - it' smy handicap i know. smile


They all create the perfect blend and together they make that soft bending that flows throughout this splendid album excisting of a weird collection of writings from different projects, from beginning to end.


Not many Prince albums can enjoy this pace and touchy rhythm with so many diverse songs than SOTT.


And that's it. smile


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Don't ever say ''It's a song nobody ever cared.''


That is something you will never actually know for certain.


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That's the first time I hear someone call the SOTT album cohesive. If there was any criticism at the time, then it was that the album was all over the place and a little too much of everything.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
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Reply #21 posted 10/29/21 1:01am

Romeoblu

I really like Slow Love but I think if he had put Crucial in it's spot on the album it would gave been even stronger.
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Reply #22 posted 10/29/21 3:13am

Wolfie87

Honestly, I really don't like this song. And that medley at the new years eve concert just went off and through the roof as soon as Slow Love stopped and went into Do Me Baby and freaking Adore!

That's why I'm certain that Free is written and arranged by someone else and not Prince. That track is God awful on 1999.
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Reply #23 posted 10/29/21 4:31am

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Romeoblu said:

I really like Slow Love but I think if he had put Crucial in it's spot on the album it would gave been even stronger.

I don't like Slow Love much personally, but I agree replacing it with Crucial would have made SOTT a stronger album.

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Reply #24 posted 10/29/21 10:54am

Vannormal

SantanaMaitreya said:

Vannormal said:

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That's the first time I hear someone call the SOTT album cohesive. If there was any criticism at the time, then it was that the album was all over the place and a little too much of everything.

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Well. Thát was 1987; ''at the time.''

Often, when albums are released, they barely are instantly loved by critics, obvious even.

Not even fans in general love a freshly released album.

Most good/great albums need more listenings, more experience, time, and debate.

In the meantime this album grew (on me and so many others).

I cannot listen to it on random shuffle for example.

It has become a statement as a whole album.

Absolute damn good album. Period.

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Reply #25 posted 10/29/21 12:07pm

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But SOTT was an album that was loved by the critics! And that it was uneven and seemed thrown together (which, of course, it was) was the only thing they complained about, while admitting that that was exactly what made the album so great.
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Reply #26 posted 10/29/21 3:27pm

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It´s always been my least favorite song on SOTT and I wish he had put Crucial on the album instead of Slow Love.

It´s only fair if she gets some sort of compensation if she hasn´t gotten what she deserved but I´ll still skip the song like I always have so far. lol

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Reply #27 posted 10/29/21 3:48pm

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luv4u said:

GustavoRibas said:

Princevault site already updated the info about it.


Please provide link

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https://www.princevault.c...=Slow_Love

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"The song was longtime thought to be co-written by Carole Davis, whom Prince met in 1984, but in fact it is essentially a sole-composition by Davis, who wrote the lyrics and music and did the vocal arrangement. Prince only helped to rewrite and re-arrange the bridge."

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But at the same time, they still didnt update the info on the album page. Ok, they are not an official site and not 100% accurate, but they are one of the greatest online databases when it comes to recording dates, credits, etc

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[Edited 10/29/21 16:04pm]

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Reply #28 posted 10/29/21 4:08pm

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GustavoRibas said:



luv4u said:




GustavoRibas said:


Princevault site already updated the info about it.




Please provide link



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https://www.princevault.c...=Slow_Love


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"The song was longtime thought to be co-written by Carole Davis, whom Prince met in 1984, but in fact it is essentially a sole-composition by Davis, who wrote the lyrics and music and did the vocal arrangement. Prince only helped to rewrite and re-arrange the bridge."


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But at the same time, they still didnt update the info on the album page. Ok, they are not an official site and not 100% accurate, but they are one of the greatest online databases when it comes to recording dates, credits, etc


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What a weak update on their part. A sole composition except not? Earth to Princevault.
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Reply #29 posted 10/29/21 4:26pm

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Well, if Prince wrote the bridge he's a co-writer. Prbably should have been a 75-25 split, however. It's a brilliant song. Glad he "gave up" 50% to have it on the LP

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