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Reply #30 posted 10/29/21 6:32pm

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Slow Love is the only clunker of the album. I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince. If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved. It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry. It's a song nobody ever cared.


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You and your ever competiton of ''the best'' vs ''the worst'', and everything in between is unimportant.


Like you love for numbers, number one's, sold copies, qualtities, price, axrds, etc...


Funny, but i somehow like it. I said it before... smile


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There are far more mediocre things done by Prince that stand out fantastically to for instance ''When Doves Cry'' or ''1999''... but you have to be willing to feel that.


Peace though.


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And for your information, ''Slow Love'', is well placed on ''Sign O The Times''.


It fits in perfectly where it's at. I has the perfect place and is the perfect 'pace' between the songs.


It's even a must on the album for the continuation of this wonderful collection of extremly different songs altogether.


I absolutely love this song, so i DO CARE about it very much.


There is actually not one single song on that cohesive album I don't like.


Simple cause I can't see any song from SOTT as a seperate outstanding song - it' smy handicap i know. smile


They all create the perfect blend and together they make that soft bending that flows throughout this splendid album excisting of a weird collection of writings from different projects, from beginning to end.


Not many Prince albums can enjoy this pace and touchy rhythm with so many diverse songs than SOTT.


And that's it. smile


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Don't ever say ''It's a song nobody ever cared.''


That is something you will never actually know for certain.


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Oh please, stop telling complete BS.
It s not because one track sold better than an other, it s a better song. That's on your silly mind an assumption like that.
I m even completely bore for years to hear these huge hits.

I was quoting When Doves Cry because it was a hit defining Prince career that everybody knows.
This "revelation" About Slow Love doesn't have the same impact as if she claimed she wrote a huge hit such as WDC.

Slow Love, nobody cares. Why? Because it wasn't released on single nor promoted, neither received cult status such as Sometimes it Snows.
When I said " Nobody ", it's obvious I implied " Nobody besides Prince fans", of course.
We all could have lived without Slow Love.
Without When Doves Cry or Purple Rain? The org wouldn't have probably existed, and the face of the entertainment world wouldn't be the same.

I always thought Slow Love didn't fit the album at all and was particularly ill-placed on the album.
It's like Prince overplaying and overwriting a love song, as if it was a parody.
There's one verse in excess, that song is also boringly too long.

If I were Prince, I would have put A Place In Heaven instead.
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Reply #31 posted 10/29/21 6:37pm

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If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved.



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Have you tried READING WHAT CAROLE POSTED?



Well, if he helped to write the bridge, then the co-writing credit IS WELL DESERVED TOO.
IIRC, in the booklet Carole Davis sole writing of the lyrics was never hidden.
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Reply #32 posted 10/29/21 11:42pm

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The only thing that stands out to me about that song is the horns. The vocals are good though and the song works well in the context of the album. No matter who wrote it, it's a good but not great song.

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Reply #33 posted 10/30/21 2:08am

Romeoblu

I went and listened to Carole's released version and I much Prefer the Prince version.
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Reply #34 posted 10/30/21 4:25am

BlueShakooo

For those who don't know:
She released her version of Slow Love in 1989:
https://www.discogs.com/r...rt-Of-Gold

Here it is (but her early demo would be far more interesting of course):
https://youtu.be/fxqISKGwtIk
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Reply #35 posted 10/30/21 4:44am

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The song's a turkey whichever way you carve it up

PIPS! Eurgh...
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Reply #36 posted 10/30/21 10:36am

paraded

It's grown on me a lot over time. It's an acquired taste. Whoever wrote the line "you can see the race car driver" made the whole song work for me.

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Reply #37 posted 10/30/21 10:45am

rusty1

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Honestly, I really don't like this song. And that medley at the new years eve concert just went off and through the roof as soon as Slow Love stopped and went into Do Me Baby and freaking Adore!

That's why I'm certain that Free is written and arranged by someone else and not Prince. That track is God awful on 1999.


i don't understand the hate for " Free"..
it's a really good song musically & lyrically..
Plus the way it builds to the end.
It blows away his 90's stuff & beyond
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Reply #38 posted 10/30/21 11:54am

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Her version is on a scale of 1 to 10 a .5...and in POINT 5. lol....

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Reply #39 posted 10/30/21 1:27pm

PJMcGee

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rusty1 said:

Wolfie87 said:

Honestly, I really don't like this song. And that medley at the new years eve concert just went off and through the roof as soon as Slow Love stopped and went into Do Me Baby and freaking Adore!

That's why I'm certain that Free is written and arranged by someone else and not Prince. That track is God awful on 1999.


i don't understand the hate for " Free"..
it's a really good song musically & lyrically..
Plus the way it builds to the end.
It blows away his 90's stuff & beyond


Yeah, I think of it as a proto-Purple Rain.
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Reply #40 posted 10/30/21 4:25pm

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this song sounds a lot better to me on the SOTT SDE remaster. all of a sudden there were many more things going on to my ears and it became much more interesting.


May U Live 2 See The Release of Parade SDE
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Reply #41 posted 10/30/21 4:50pm

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I read the tweet and then scrolled down and got a way better laugh from reading the Vegan quandry post by @MarcWills2 who was getting frustrated with people asking what do Vegans eat and then the post by @FabvLMusic demanding that people not compare apples to oranges. I was going to reply with "this is an apple: (i'd insert an apple in this space that wasn't so bold if there was one)

and this is an orange: orange " but I can't remember my password.

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Reply #42 posted 10/30/21 5:43pm

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GustavoRibas said:

luv4u said:


Please provide link

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https://www.princevault.c...=Slow_Love

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"The song was longtime thought to be co-written by Carole Davis, whom Prince met in 1984, but in fact it is essentially a sole-composition by Davis, who wrote the lyrics and music and did the vocal arrangement. Prince only helped to rewrite and re-arrange the bridge."

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But at the same time, they still didnt update the info on the album page. Ok, they are not an official site and not 100% accurate, but they are one of the greatest online databases when it comes to recording dates, credits, etc

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So PrinceVault just took her word for it? Don't get me wrong -- I believe her story is probably true. But I'm wondering if the people who maintain PrinceVault have any criteria or standards of proof when updating the site in a way that disagrees with official credits.


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Reply #43 posted 10/30/21 6:28pm

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I feel like I could turn into a Karen over Carole Davis and that is really not like me at all.

Welcome to "the org", heartpeacesheart…
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Reply #44 posted 10/30/21 9:45pm

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rusty1 said:

Wolfie87 said:

Honestly, I really don't like this song. And that medley at the new years eve concert just went off and through the roof as soon as Slow Love stopped and went into Do Me Baby and freaking Adore!

That's why I'm certain that Free is written and arranged by someone else and not Prince. That track is God awful on 1999.


i don't understand the hate for " Free"..
it's a really good song musically & lyrically..
Plus the way it builds to the end.
It blows away his 90's stuff & beyond


Free is a great song indeed. Could have been a hit in1983, and even missed a chance to become an anthem.
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Reply #45 posted 10/31/21 6:57am

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Lots of post death character assassination going on .

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Reply #46 posted 10/31/21 7:15am

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For those of you who think Crucial should have been on the album instead of Slow Love, don't you think Crucial is too similar to Adore?


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Reply #47 posted 10/31/21 8:39am

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LILpoundCAKE said:

this song sounds a lot better to me on the SOTT SDE remaster. all of a sudden there were many more things going on to my ears and it became much more interesting.

Agreed! It is still far from my favorite SOTT song, but the remaster did give it a dash of life.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #48 posted 10/31/21 8:54am

Wolfie87

lurker316 said:


For those of you who think Crucial should have been on the album instead of Slow Love, don't you think Crucial is too similar to Adore?




Yeah, but it's still leaps and bounds better than Slow Love. And the big difference from Adore, Guitar God moment. Especially if he released and arranged it the same way as the last 3 minutes of the SOTT SDE version. Pure bliss.
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Reply #49 posted 10/31/21 8:58am

LoveGalore

lurker316 said:


For those of you who think Crucial should have been on the album instead of Slow Love, don't you think Crucial is too similar to Adore?




Maybe as a concept.

But Crucial is a rock ballad epic. Adore is an old school rnb slow jam. They are actually miles apart beyond being a single word title and also love songs.
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Reply #50 posted 10/31/21 11:13am

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lurker316 said:


For those of you who think Crucial should have been on the album instead of Slow Love, don't you think Crucial is too similar to Adore?




Of course it's too similar, hence the fact it was discardrd. It would have been a mistake to put these two on the same album.
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Reply #51 posted 10/31/21 4:59pm

CAL3

Great song by Carole Davis, elevating to a new level by Prince.

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His vocal on the version in the Sign movie is one of THE single greatest ballad performances of his career. The little twists he puts on the melody are absolutely sublime.

I’ve been informed that my opinion is worth less than those expressed by others here.
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Reply #52 posted 10/31/21 7:08pm

EnDoRpHn

That’s what I always understood.

It sucks.
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Reply #53 posted 10/31/21 8:25pm

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LoveGalore said:

lurker316 said:


For those of you who think Crucial should have been on the album instead of Slow Love, don't you think Crucial is too similar to Adore?


Maybe as a concept. But Crucial is a rock ballad epic. Adore is an old school rnb slow jam. They are actually miles apart beyond being a single word title and also love songs.

...You put "Shhh" and "Loose" in the "rock" category, too, don't you?


The superior sax version has no "rock" elements and is basically the same song only with a superior sax solo, so, can "Crucial" really be considered "rock"?

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Reply #54 posted 10/31/21 8:35pm

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And the people who critique "Slow Love" as overwrought or over generic are really missing the point... It's supposed to be that. It's trying to be one of those schmaltzy big grandiose (often white-penned, oddly enough), kind of MOR almost plastic straighfforward throwback orchestral love ballads, like a Dionne Warwick/Burt Bacharat collab.

It is absolutely an important aspect of what contributes to SOTT being a brilliant kaleidescopic shmorgisborg of Prince's diversity, far more so than a more obviously "better", earnest and genuinely more passionate loverman "Crucial" would do (which "Adore" already does at the proper placement for that kind of climax, plus vinyl runtimes etc.).

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Reply #55 posted 11/01/21 7:29am

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RODSERLING said:

Slow Love is the only clunker of the album. I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince. If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved. It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry. It's a song nobody ever cared.

The live version is where its at...he really lets his voice shine

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Reply #56 posted 11/01/21 10:11am

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RODSERLING said:


Slow Love is the only clunker of the album. I never understood the appealing of that song for Prince. If Prince rewrote the lyrics and the bridge, then his co-credit is well deserved. It's not like Slow Love was a worldwide hit like When Doves Cry. It's a song nobody ever cared.

The live version is where its at...he really lets his voice shine



The live version in the movie is something else, of course.
Prince with his usual talent of performer can turn a dull song into a great performance.
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Reply #57 posted 11/01/21 10:40am

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RODSERLING said:

paisleypark4 said:

The live version is where its at...he really lets his voice shine

The live version in the movie is something else, of course. Prince with his usual talent of performer can turn a dull song into a great performance.

Agree. Never got into the song until I saw the movie and was like eek oh...let me rewind that..

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Reply #58 posted 11/01/21 12:30pm

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Heard this quite a few times . . .

Morris Day wrote Partyup (music only?)
Andre wrote Do Me, Baby (music only?)

David Coleman wrote Around The World In A Day
Carole wrote Slow Love
Sandra St. Victor wrote Soul Sanctuary

U Know wholly sampled Mila J.

Etc.

I don't mind if Prince didn't write all of the songs on his albums. I don't see it as a big issue.

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Reply #59 posted 11/01/21 3:32pm

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Se7en said:

Heard this quite a few times . . .

Morris Day wrote Partyup (music only?)
Andre wrote Do Me, Baby (music only?)

David Coleman wrote Around The World In A Day
Carole wrote Slow Love
Sandra St. Victor wrote Soul Sanctuary

U Know wholly sampled Mila J.

Etc.

I don't mind if Prince didn't write all of the songs on his albums. I don't see it as a big issue.


I don't mind either, but I do wish he would have given proper credit where it's deserved.

This might make for an interesting spinoff topic: what are all the songs Prince supposedly took from other people without giving them credit? (I wouldn't count any of the songs Wendy and Lisa claim to have written if the song was credited to Prince & The Revolution, because that gives them credit, albeit ambigously.)




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