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Reply #30 posted 10/28/21 11:09pm

Vannormal

lurker316 said:

Vannormal said:

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We all know by now that Prince did not always give (the right) credit(s) to those who worked with him on whatever.

So we just don't know exactly !

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David Z makes that point in this interview. Sometimes Prince gave credit to people who weren't involved at all; other times Prince withheld credit from people who deserved it. It didn't make much sense.


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And so many other collaborators and ex band members told this story many times already.

Nothing new.

That's what make this all so damn complex and interesting at the same time.

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What was it that Prince needed so badly from others that he couldn't do himself ?

Remember what he said during an Lovesexy aftershow about ''Miss You'' by The Rolling Stones ?

He said it laughing, but i always felt he meant it.

To Prince, everything was 100% pure competition.

And my guess is he couldn't bare anyone from his entourage writing a good (better?) song (even).

He sure used his power over all of them, that skinny motherfucker with the high power. wink

At least that's what I think.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #31 posted 10/30/21 3:32am

dualboot

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Vannormal said:



lurker316 said:




Vannormal said:


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Listening again...


Oh Waw !


I just heard the moderator David talk about that particular part (where prince played piano for two hours in sunset sound), and it apparently is out there on youtube!


The story starts exactly at


1:05:50


He says it has leaked on youtube : ''just search for Sunset Sound Prince Piano'' he said.


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I looked for it but haven't found the 2 hour tape, only the 16min+ version.


He also tells that The Estate and lawyers were asking and pushing them to hand over the tapes. smile


Great great story!


All so important too.


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[Edited 10/20/21 6:47am]




I can only find the 16 minute version on the You Tube as well. Maybe he mispoke when he said 2 hours? Or maybe there are multiple tapes that total 2 hours?




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I think at one point they ''were'' there.


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I was looking for that too smile. Great to hear David Z. He had a long run.
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Reply #32 posted 11/02/21 8:31am

Germanegro

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I like most of these studio engeneer interviews!
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Perhaps his brother Bobby Z being The Revolution's drummer and Prince's pal was an incentive 4 him to hang around P and the band, and throw in some work expertise along the way.


TrivialPursuit said:



lurker316 said:



There was one thing I didn't understand...

They explained that Susan Rogers was an employee of Prince, but Peggy and David were not. Peggy was an employee of Sunset Sound, and therefore only ever worked with Prince when he was in that studio. That's why she never went to MPLS. That makes sense.

If David also wasn't an employee of Prince, why did he folllow Prince around everywhere? David described working at the wharehouse in MPLS, running the boards on the truck that recorded the benefit concert that become the core of the Purple Rain album, following Prince out to LA and working with him in Sunset Sound, and even working a bit in Paisley Park. Who was David's employer throughout all of that?




Maybe he was just contracted as a freelancer, taking jobs from Prince as they came, opposed to being on call all the time like Rogers was.

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Reply #33 posted 11/02/21 1:04pm

EnDoRpHn

Did anyone notice that Peggy was only paid $10/hr for work as an assistant engineer for the PR sessions?


https://sunsetsoundstore....nset-sound

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Reply #34 posted 11/03/21 3:37am

Vannormal

EnDoRpHn said:

Did anyone notice that Peggy was only paid $10/hr for work as an assistant engineer for the PR sessions?


https://sunsetsoundstore....nset-sound

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My god. The realness.

She only got 45 $ for that particular session.

I do hope she got extra pay for the long hours she did.

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Reply #35 posted 11/03/21 4:27am

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EnDoRpHn said:

Did anyone notice that Peggy was only paid $10/hr for work as an assistant engineer for the PR sessions?


https://sunsetsoundstore....nset-sound



With context in 1983 and inflation corrected that would be $ 27,50 per Hour.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
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Reply #36 posted 11/05/21 10:05am

EnDoRpHn

dualboot said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Did anyone notice that Peggy was only paid $10/hr for work as an assistant engineer for the PR sessions?


https://sunsetsoundstore....nset-sound

With context in 1983 and inflation corrected that would be $ 27,50 per Hour. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Even at that rate, it would still only be a total of $123.75 in 2021 $$$.

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Reply #37 posted 11/14/21 3:05am

FrankieCoco1
Did anyone notice on Sunset Sound Recorders YT there is the Prince “Kiss” demo? To me, the sound seems in better quality than I’d heard before. May be direct from original source?
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #38 posted 11/14/21 11:57am

laytonian

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Vannormal said:

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Peggy McCreary on the early signs of his pain ;

"...You could tell how much in pain he was by the way he was mean to others..."

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And it says a lot about Prince that he never spoke to Peggy again after 1986.

She never saw him again after that. She brought her 8 months old baby to Sunset Sound, he was working there, and the barely talked..."

Honestly what an ashole as a human being Prince often was, when you hear those two recall memories.

Amazing.

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Lmao wtf. He didn’t owe her or anybody else any of that. They weren’t friends. They weren’t acquaintances. She was an employee at the studio he worked in. Y’all gotta chill with this shit. Y’all think he had to be super nice and friends with EVERYBODY. That’s not real life. Put the phone down and go outside.


Exactly. Anyone who's listened to her interviews, knows she was quite dismissive of Prince (she had the hots for Eddie Van Halen).


In one interview, she talks about how she "had to work on my birthday" (didn't we all?) and he came in and recorded “You’re All I Want”,. As he left, he tossed her the tape AND the leather jacket he was wearing.
Peggy related "I didn't care. I gave it away."

All that time working with Prince, and she did not realize that him giving her the "You're All I Want" song was how he expressed his appreciation for her.


She also didn't remember anything about HCYDCMA until she saw it in a record store.


Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #39 posted 11/15/21 8:17pm

LoveGalore

laytonian said:



tab32792 said:


Vannormal said:

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Peggy McCreary on the early signs of his pain ;


"...You could tell how much in pain he was by the way he was mean to others..."


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And it says a lot about Prince that he never spoke to Peggy again after 1986.


She never saw him again after that. She brought her 8 months old baby to Sunset Sound, he was working there, and the barely talked..."


Honestly what an ashole as a human being Prince often was, when you hear those two recall memories.


Amazing.


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Lmao wtf. He didn’t owe her or anybody else any of that. They weren’t friends. They weren’t acquaintances. She was an employee at the studio he worked in. Y’all gotta chill with this shit. Y’all think he had to be super nice and friends with EVERYBODY. That’s not real life. Put the phone down and go outside.


Exactly. Anyone who's listened to her interviews, knows she was quite dismissive of Prince (she had the hots for Eddie Van Halen).



In one interview, she talks about how she "had to work on my birthday" (didn't we all?) and he came in and recorded “You’re All I Want”,. As he left, he tossed her the tape AND the leather jacket he was wearing.
Peggy related "I didn't care. I gave it away."

All that time working with Prince, and she did not realize that him giving her the "You're All I Want" song was how he expressed his appreciation for her.



She also didn't remember anything about HCYDCMA until she saw it in a record store.




It was damn near 40 years ago and she knew him before he was all that famous, lol.

Engineers don't have to be mega fans of the artists they work for. She wasn't. No biggie.

Fact is, Peggy Mac gets almost none of the recognition as someone like Susan Rogers yet she was the one at the boards for Prince's ascent. And she still doesn't spend any time ruminating on his relationships like Susan does. She just talks about her experience frankly.
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Reply #40 posted 11/16/21 8:28am

lurker316

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LoveGalore said:

laytonian said:


Exactly. Anyone who's listened to her interviews, knows she was quite dismissive of Prince (she had the hots for Eddie Van Halen).


In one interview, she talks about how she "had to work on my birthday" (didn't we all?) and he came in and recorded “You’re All I Want”,. As he left, he tossed her the tape AND the leather jacket he was wearing.
Peggy related "I didn't care. I gave it away."

All that time working with Prince, and she did not realize that him giving her the "You're All I Want" song was how he expressed his appreciation for her.


She also didn't remember anything about HCYDCMA until she saw it in a record store.


It was damn near 40 years ago and she knew him before he was all that famous, lol. Engineers don't have to be mega fans of the artists they work for. She wasn't. No biggie. Fact is, Peggy Mac gets almost none of the recognition as someone like Susan Rogers yet she was the one at the boards for Prince's ascent. And she still doesn't spend any time ruminating on his relationships like Susan does. She just talks about her experience frankly.



Peggy didn't have the same relationship with Prince that Susan had, so it's not fair to compare them. Peggy was an employee of Sunset sound who lived in LA. In contrast, Susan was Prince's direct employee and moved to Minnesapolis.

An an anology, who would you expect to ruminate more on a celebrity, a chef at a restaurnt partonized by the celebrity, or a the celebritiy's personal chef that worked out of their home?



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Reply #41 posted 11/16/21 10:56am

FrankieCoco1
Germanegro said:[quote]I like most of these studio engeneer interviews!
Perhaps his brother Bobby Z being The Revolution's drummer and Prince's pal was an incentive 4 him to hang around P and the band, and throw in some work expertise along the way.

There was also mention of David last being at Paisley Park to do some fixing of a board on a console about six months before Prince passes away. I’d like to think it wasn’t so much hanging around but genuinely that David Z’s technical knowhow was a little more vital than perhaps we’ll ever know. Looking after obsolete electronic equipment is something only old timers have the knowledge for - not that David Z is particularly old!
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