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100 songs written for Purple Rain! What were they?

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Reply #1 posted 09/03/21 10:10pm

Phase3

Hell if know but I guess these are some of them

Love and sex
Traffic jam
Wednesday
Electric intercourse
G spot
Temptation
The dance electric
Velvet kitty Kat
We can fuck
Fathers song
Roadhouse garden
Our destiny
Possessed

Maybe "100 MPH"?
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Reply #2 posted 09/04/21 12:28am

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First, Albert Magnoli has a rather colorful way of revisionist history. He was on that panel once with Bob Cavallo, Apollonia, Jerome, and others, and when Magnoli was telling a story, Cavallo kept saying, "wait a minute, that's not quite what happened."

Magnoli's "100 songs" was probably half that, or a third. It was probably just other music that Prince maybe let him listen to in general. I don't believe, nor is there evidence, that Prince specifically wrote 100 songs for Purple Rain.

We know things like "Electric Intercourse," "Wednesday," and others were intended for the soundtrack. But was "100 MPH?" Probably not. Was "Possessed?" It was written two years before, but was still in the movie in some form, albeit a rerecorded version. Was "Modernaire" specifically for Dez, or was it something Prince had that he gave to Dez for his 15 seconds in the movie?

Hell, he wrote "Pop Life" in February 1984, so was that for Purple Rain or was it just a song in general? Where's the line with all that?

[Edited 9/7/21 14:40pm]

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Reply #3 posted 09/04/21 12:35am

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And once again Prince famz fail to read properly and launch nonsense into the world.

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The (dubious) 100 songs claim is a bunch of unreleased songs that Prince gave to Albert Magnoli, yet so far we don't even have any evidence that Prince had that many unreleased songs recorded by then, let alone that this entire backlog would be suitable. Frankly, until Magnoli shows us these tapes and tells us their contents, I would regard this story is wildly exaggerated, that the real number would be far lower and that many of these tracks would not be suitable at all.

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http://www.princevault.co...s_Go_Crazy possibly from fall 1982, recorded on 18 May 1983

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http://www.princevault.co...urple_Rain says "Computer Blue features songwriting input by Dr. Fink, Lisa Coleman, and Wendy Melvoin. Dr. Fink also wrote a keyboard bass line for the track. Prince’s father John L. Nelson was also credited for the Father’s Song component of the track, which had been worked on during rehearsals on the 1983 leg of the 1999 Tour." but the individual entry for CB doesn't contain that info and claims no studio recording exists before the August 1983 concert.

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http://www.princevault.co...ld_Die_4_U IIRC we have a rehearsal/soundcheck recording from before 1983, so that song's entry is seemingly incomplete. Recorded at rehearsal in June 1983.

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http://www.princevault.co...99m_A_Star might have existed in a somewhat embryonical version since 1981. Recorded at rehearsal in June 1983.

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http://www.princevault.co...urple_Rain Stevie Nicks claims to have received an unfinished instrumental version after they collaborated on Stand Back, so that would be after Jan 1983.

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In any case, it is somewhat unclear when Prince first met with Magnoli, but it is most likely sometime during July 1983. So any songs people suggest should come with evidence that these songs were recorded before that date. Even in the above cases there is not much evidence to suggest that "complete studio recordings, ready to release" (Magnoli's claim) exist of most of them.

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Reply #4 posted 09/04/21 12:41am

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BartVanHemelen said:

And once again Prince famz fail to read properly and launch nonsense into the world...


You just wake up angry, don't ya?

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Reply #5 posted 09/04/21 12:56am

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TrivialPursuit said:



BartVanHemelen said:


And once again Prince famz fail to read properly and launch nonsense into the world...




You just wake up angry, don't ya?




Didn’t even read his wall of text. Saw his name and scrolled on.
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Reply #6 posted 09/04/21 1:36am

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Reply #7 posted 09/04/21 3:21am

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Apparently Morris Hayes heard 5 unreleased songs from the Purple Rain era. He thought they were better than anything on Purple Rain.
[Edited 9/4/21 3:29am]
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Reply #8 posted 09/04/21 5:31am

LoveGalore

We know Prince had been envisioning and earmarking songs for Dreams/Purple Rain for several years. I certainly believe Prince had 100 songs recorded by then, but it's likely not that he recorded 100 specifically for this project. He could've given Albert a slew of tapes that had shit back from 1976 for all we know.
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Reply #9 posted 09/04/21 6:09am

jfenster

y r u people constantly trying to discourage the estate from looking for things???
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Reply #10 posted 09/04/21 7:10am

LoveGalore

jfenster said:

y r u people constantly trying to discourage the estate from looking for things???

Huh?
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Reply #11 posted 09/04/21 7:16am

KoolEaze

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lust said:

TrivialPursuit said:


You just wake up angry, don't ya?

Didn’t even read his wall of text. Saw his name and scrolled on.

Not sure if his cranky online persona is just an act but I have NEVER seen him post bullshit, ever, and he always comes with the facts and contributes a lot to this site.

(And yes, I´ve received one not so nice response from him , too, even though I was right, but that was a long time ago. )

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Just saying.

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As far as your initial thread question is concerned, I think Al Magnoli has his heart in the right place and I quite like him but I think he exaggerated a bit when he mentioned those 100 songs, and even though we´ve discussed this topic a gazillion times over the years, we´ve never really come close to a conclusion.

I doubt that there were 100 songs written for that film (see Bart´s comments), and if I recall correctly there was an interview with Bobby Z. in Uptown magazine many , many years ago where Bobby also doubted that number and the mystique around Purple Rain outtakes in general and said something like "There weren´t really that many unused songs for that soundtrack." but I am just paraphrasing here.

It remains an interesting question though, and I´ve always wondered what songs were given to Magnoli to listen to.

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Reply #12 posted 09/04/21 9:23am

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MIRvmn said:

Apparently Morris Hayes heard 5 unreleased songs from the Purple Rain era. He thought they were better than anything on Purple Rain.
[Edited 9/4/21 3:29am]


Yes, Prince told him Purple Rain was the b-sides.
The true album was never released, and made him listen to it in his car.

Morris Hayes told him to absolutely release it, but Prince said " No, I keep that for my children ".
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Reply #13 posted 09/04/21 11:19am

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TrivialPursuit said:

BartVanHemelen said:

And once again Prince famz fail to read properly and launch nonsense into the world...


You just wake up angry, don't ya?


lol Everytime

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Reply #14 posted 09/04/21 12:22pm

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RODSERLING said:

MIRvmn said:

Apparently Morris Hayes heard 5 unreleased songs from the Purple Rain era. He thought they were better than anything on Purple Rain.
[Edited 9/4/21 3:29am]


Yes, Prince told him Purple Rain was the b-sides.
The true album was never released, and made him listen to it in his car.

Morris Hayes told him to absolutely release it, but Prince said " No, I keep that for my children ".

The estate should definitely release it when it's the 40th anniversary of Purple Rain in 2024.
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Reply #15 posted 09/04/21 3:17pm

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KoolEaze said:



lust said:


TrivialPursuit said:



You just wake up angry, don't ya?



Didn’t even read his wall of text. Saw his name and scrolled on.

Not sure if his cranky online persona is just an act but I have NEVER seen him post bullshit, ever, and he always comes with the facts and contributes a lot to this site.


(And yes, I´ve received one not so nice response from him , too, even though I was right, but that was a long time ago. )


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Just saying.


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As far as your initial thread question is concerned, I think Al Magnoli has his heart in the right place and I quite like him but I think he exaggerated a bit when he mentioned those 100 songs, and even though we´ve discussed this topic a gazillion times over the years, we´ve never really come close to a conclusion.


I doubt that there were 100 songs written for that film (see Bart´s comments), and if I recall correctly there was an interview with Bobby Z. in Uptown magazine many , many years ago where Bobby also doubted that number and the mystique around Purple Rain outtakes in general and said something like "There weren´t really that many unused songs for that soundtrack." but I am just paraphrasing here.


It remains an interesting question though, and I´ve always wondered what songs were given to Magnoli to listen to.




I appreciate your comments. For me, I don’t care how amazing the food is at a restaurant, If it’s slammed down on the table with a snarl by the waiter, I’m walking out and not coming back. If it’s ever confirmed that it’s not mere bad behaviour or a purposed persona but a spectrum issue, then I’ll be happy to play. Until then, there’s no information about Prince that is important enough to me to seek it from such a wilfully obnoxious source.

As to the 100 songs. I agree. I’ve always assumed it was spin and an arbitrary tossed place holder that really meant “lots of songs”. We don’t need to list 100 songs so think of my question as more of a place holder inquiry to see how big a list we can speculate and how that might translate to a future Super Massive Fuck Off Deluxe Opus Edition. I was happy enough with the deluxe release until 1999 and SOTT followed.

But KoolEaze, I’ve always appreciated your comments and approach when I’ve see you here.
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Reply #16 posted 09/04/21 4:26pm

Milty2

lust said:

KoolEaze said:

Not sure if his cranky online persona is just an act but I have NEVER seen him post bullshit, ever, and he always comes with the facts and contributes a lot to this site.

(And yes, I´ve received one not so nice response from him , too, even though I was right, but that was a long time ago. )

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Just saying.

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As far as your initial thread question is concerned, I think Al Magnoli has his heart in the right place and I quite like him but I think he exaggerated a bit when he mentioned those 100 songs, and even though we´ve discussed this topic a gazillion times over the years, we´ve never really come close to a conclusion.

I doubt that there were 100 songs written for that film (see Bart´s comments), and if I recall correctly there was an interview with Bobby Z. in Uptown magazine many , many years ago where Bobby also doubted that number and the mystique around Purple Rain outtakes in general and said something like "There weren´t really that many unused songs for that soundtrack." but I am just paraphrasing here.

It remains an interesting question though, and I´ve always wondered what songs were given to Magnoli to listen to.

I appreciate your comments. For me, I don’t care how amazing the food is at a restaurant, If it’s slammed down on the table with a snarl by the waiter, I’m walking out and not coming back. If it’s ever confirmed that it’s not mere bad behaviour or a purposed persona but a spectrum issue, then I’ll be happy to play. Until then, there’s no information about Prince that is important enough to me to seek it from such a wilfully obnoxious source. As to the 100 songs. I agree. I’ve always assumed it was spin and an arbitrary tossed place holder that really meant “lots of songs”. We don’t need to list 100 songs so think of my question as more of a place holder inquiry to see how big a list we can speculate and how that might translate to a future Super Massive Fuck Off Deluxe Opus Edition. I was happy enough with the deluxe release until 1999 and SOTT followed. But KoolEaze, I’ve always appreciated your comments and approach when I’ve see you here.


Key words.

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Reply #17 posted 09/04/21 4:34pm

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MIRvmn said:

RODSERLING said:



Yes, Prince told him Purple Rain was the b-sides.
The true album was never released, and made him listen to it in his car.

Morris Hayes told him to absolutely release it, but Prince said " No, I keep that for my children ".

The estate should definitely release it when it's the 40th anniversary of Purple Rain in 2024.


No, they should release it as a single album.
If they ever find what and where it is.
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Reply #18 posted 09/05/21 2:25pm

KoolEaze

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lust said:

KoolEaze said:

Not sure if his cranky online persona is just an act but I have NEVER seen him post bullshit, ever, and he always comes with the facts and contributes a lot to this site.

(And yes, I´ve received one not so nice response from him , too, even though I was right, but that was a long time ago. )

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Just saying.

-

As far as your initial thread question is concerned, I think Al Magnoli has his heart in the right place and I quite like him but I think he exaggerated a bit when he mentioned those 100 songs, and even though we´ve discussed this topic a gazillion times over the years, we´ve never really come close to a conclusion.

I doubt that there were 100 songs written for that film (see Bart´s comments), and if I recall correctly there was an interview with Bobby Z. in Uptown magazine many , many years ago where Bobby also doubted that number and the mystique around Purple Rain outtakes in general and said something like "There weren´t really that many unused songs for that soundtrack." but I am just paraphrasing here.

It remains an interesting question though, and I´ve always wondered what songs were given to Magnoli to listen to.

I appreciate your comments. For me, I don’t care how amazing the food is at a restaurant, If it’s slammed down on the table with a snarl by the waiter, I’m walking out and not coming back. If it’s ever confirmed that it’s not mere bad behaviour or a purposed persona but a spectrum issue, then I’ll be happy to play. Until then, there’s no information about Prince that is important enough to me to seek it from such a wilfully obnoxious source. As to the 100 songs. I agree. I’ve always assumed it was spin and an arbitrary tossed place holder that really meant “lots of songs”. We don’t need to list 100 songs so think of my question as more of a place holder inquiry to see how big a list we can speculate and how that might translate to a future Super Massive Fuck Off Deluxe Opus Edition. I was happy enough with the deluxe release until 1999 and SOTT followed. But KoolEaze, I’ve always appreciated your comments and approach when I’ve see you here.

That´s actually a great analogy. I never looked at it like that, but you´re using a good example there. I really have no idea why we get such reactions from him and can´t and won´t speculate. The good ( = accurate info) outweighs the bad (= rude behaviour) I guess, but sometimes it´s vice versa. wink

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Reply #19 posted 09/06/21 6:00am

jfenster

Just because we don't know the titles doesn't mean he wasn't given 100 songs as stated.....Let estate do its job and find them
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Reply #20 posted 09/06/21 6:19am

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TrivialPursuit said:

First, Albert Magnoli has a rather colorful way of revisionist histroy. He was on that panel once with Bob Cavallo, Apollonia, Jerome, and others, and when Magnoli was telling a story, Cavallo kept saying, "wait a minute, that's not quite what happened."

Magnoli's "100 songs" was probably half that, or a third. It was probably just other music that Prince maybe let him listen to in general. I don't believe, nor is there evidence, that Prince specifically wrote 100 songs for Purple Rain.

We know things like "Electric Intercourse," "Wednesday," and others were intended for the soundtrack. But was "100 MPH?" Probably not. Was "Possessed?" It was written two years before, but was still in the movie in some form, albeit a rerecorded version. Was "Modernaire" specifically for Dez, or was it something Prince had that he gave to Dez for his 15 seconds in the movie?

Hell, he wrote "Pop Life" in February 1984, so was that for Purple Rain or was it just a song in general? Where's the line with all that?


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Reply #21 posted 09/06/21 6:34am

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BartVanHemelen said:

And once again Prince famz fail to read properly and launch nonsense into the world.

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The (dubious) 100 songs claim is a bunch of unreleased songs that Prince gave to Albert Magnoli, yet so far we don't even have any evidence that Prince had that many unreleased songs recorded by then, let alone that this entire backlog would be suitable. Frankly, until Magnoli shows us these tapes and tells us their contents, I would regard this story is wildly exaggerated, that the real number would be far lower and that many of these tracks would not be suitable at all.


I agree with everything you wrote, except your focus on the suitability issue. While it's true much of Prince's back catalogue would have been unsuitable for the movie, that's not relevent to the number of songs he gave to Magnoli. Prince didn't necessarily appreciate what was suitable or not (or possibly had very different ideas from Magnoli on suitability) and likely gave Magnoli a lot of stuff that you or I (or Magnoli) would consider unsuitable.

In fact, if I recall correctly, Magnoli has made that very point in subsequent interviews... that although Prince gave him a lot of songs for consideration (be it 100 songs or, more realisitically, a far lower number) many of them were unsuitable.

So I agree with you that Prince didn't literally give Magnoli 100 songs and that number has to be hyperbole. And I agree with much or your specific reasoning, to include how many songs existed at that point in time. But I disagee that the lack of suitability itself is relevant in determining how many songs Prince handed over to Magnoli.


[Edited 9/6/21 6:36am]

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Reply #22 posted 09/07/21 12:31pm

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Go….

Hyperbole and bullshit, mostly.

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steakfinger said:



lust said:


Go….

Hyperbole and bullshit, mostly.



Yeah. Most likely.

But, would be good to speculate what a more definitive deluxe edition could look like.
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