Enjoyed the review even more once Iistened to the release a few times. Whether you agree with it or not, this shows how utterly dismissive the folks who are trashing it after only one listen. | |
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Well put. | |
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NUMBER 23 should do a review of his 2 good albums like PURPLE RAIN, SIGN O THE TIMES AND THE TIME ALBUMS. | |
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- I agree. - Thank you Number 23. It indeed is a must read (your reviews) while listening to the record. I just love all of your writngs. Don't leave us. - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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- And that too ! Would be great Number23. Give it a go. - My humble opinion... Could it be that he shelved it because the presence of his own voice is somewhat left out ? Faded ? Not all that much to the front ? Or that most songs are just (mediocre, uninspired) two chord songs with two chord change for chorus ? The uninspiring breaks and additions... we all actually love his music for that alone tbh. The lack of originality of most songs ? The lack of full Prince (hands-all-over) production ? (think about the 20TEN album...) The (slower) pace of the whole album ? The lack of inventive synth use ? (Prince has a trademark on this one imho, and there isn't much 'new sound' to discover). The way-to-much-mixing-to-the-front of the (fine) female voices ? The abscenes of interesting guitar solos ? The diminshing distorted guitar use, or the way most (louder) guitar parts are mostly mixed to the back ? The meager uptempo and dance songs ? The use of a poor electric sounding piano ? (he did that more often lateron too. compare it with the sound of his early piano recordings...) The preaching and the worrying messages ? The absence of colaborations with bigger names ? Or was the Jehova thing coming to some sort an end (for him) ? I mean... - ''When She comes is just fantastic classic Prince'' And is my stand-out track so far. - [Edited 8/4/21 3:07am] "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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Great reviews!... very good album... i can see why certain demographics would be unhappy with the lyrical and musical content though...i loved it when Prince would make songs like these. | |
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This is the most accurate review I have seen on this album. | |
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- And that too ! Would be great Number23. Give it a go. - My humble opinion... Could it be that he shelved it because the presence of his own voice is somewhat left out ? Faded ? Not all that much to the front ? Or that most songs are just (mediocre, uninspired) two chord songs with two chord change for chorus ? The uninspiring breaks and additions... we all actually love his music for that alone tbh. The lack of originality of most songs ? The lack of full Prince (hands-all-over) production ? (think about the 20TEN album...) The (slower) pace of the whole album ? The lack of inventive synth use ? (Prince has a trademark on this one imho, and there isn't much 'new sound' to discover). The way-to-much-mixing-to-the-front of the (fine) female voices ? The abscenes of interesting guitar solos ? The diminshing distorted guitar use, or the way most (louder) guitar parts are mostly mixed to the back ? The meager uptempo and dance songs ? The use of a poor electric sounding piano ? (he did that more often lateron too. compare it with the sound of his early piano recordings...) The preaching and the worrying messages ? The absence of colaborations with bigger names ? Or was the Jehova thing coming to some sort an end (for him) ? I mean... - ''When She comes is just fantastic classic Prince'' And is my stand-out track so far. - [Edited 8/4/21 3:07am] So would u say apart from that, it's fantastic? Better than sign o' the times? Hopefully there's more stuff like this in the vault. | |
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- And that too ! Would be great Number23. Give it a go. - My humble opinion... Could it be that he shelved it because the presence of his own voice is somewhat left out ? Faded ? Not all that much to the front ? Or that most songs are just (mediocre, uninspired) two chord songs with two chord change for chorus ? The uninspiring breaks and additions... we all actually love his music for that alone tbh. The lack of originality of most songs ? The lack of full Prince (hands-all-over) production ? (think about the 20TEN album...) The (slower) pace of the whole album ? The lack of inventive synth use ? (Prince has a trademark on this one imho, and there isn't much 'new sound' to discover). The way-to-much-mixing-to-the-front of the (fine) female voices ? The abscenes of interesting guitar solos ? The diminshing distorted guitar use, or the way most (louder) guitar parts are mostly mixed to the back ? The meager uptempo and dance songs ? The use of a poor electric sounding piano ? (he did that more often lateron too. compare it with the sound of his early piano recordings...) The preaching and the worrying messages ? The absence of colaborations with bigger names ? Or was the Jehova thing coming to some sort an end (for him) ? I mean... - ''When She comes is just fantastic classic Prince'' And is my stand-out track so far. - [Edited 8/4/21 3:07am] I dig your vibe Van. My broadband provider would fine me if I had to adequately respond to all that, but regarding your criticism of P’s guitar playing on this record, I’ll refrain from boring everyone with my own overwrought stream of consciousness and just paste this from Guitar World from a journalist who specialises in that particular aspect of musicianship. Not saying his opinion is definitive, but always good to get another perception from someone who can see things in a slightly more objective way, if such a thing exists with art. Recorded 11 years ago, Welcome 2 America was inexplicably archived without release. Thankfully, Legacy Records is putting that straight,because it combines vintage funk grooves with Prince’s supreme melodies.If you know nothing about funk and gospel guitar, this will teach you. Here are five outstanding guitar moments to listen for: Born 2 Die - This song opens with jazzy extended chords, doubled by synths.They standout thanks to Prince’s languid rocking of his wah pedal, adding expression to each chord after he’s played it. Later in the album,he closes out Stand Up and B Strong with a fiery wah-drenched solo, showing he mastered every type of wah expression. Hot Summer - In the middle of this funk opus comes this unexpected surf-rock tune.Prince’s palm muted, fuzzed out power chords open the track like an R&B Summer of 69. He pulls out his Chuck Berry licks for the middle 8, too. Same Page,Different Book - The guitar tones on this album are sublime. The James Brown-style chord stabs on the high strings are cutting and tight, while the lower single-note funk melody lines on the wound strings are fat and quacky. The riff here reminds us of Mark Ronson’s UptownFunk – an anachronistic comparison because this song is actually four years older. Yes - When the guitars on this album aren’t clean, they’re fuzz-powered. Here that fuzz comes over a Motown drumbeat and gives some serious grunt to this celebratory number’s basslines. One Day We Will All B Free - To close out the album,Prince has one guitar riff that incorporates everything great about funk guitar: syncopated rhythms, compact chords voicings, and staccato single notes. The whole album sounds totally fresh. | |
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Number23 said: Vannormal said:
- And that too ! Would be great Number23. Give it a go. - My humble opinion... Could it be that he shelved it because the presence of his own voice is somewhat left out ? Faded ? Not all that much to the front ? Or that most songs are just (mediocre, uninspired) two chord songs with two chord change for chorus ? The uninspiring breaks and additions... we all actually love his music for that alone tbh. The lack of originality of most songs ? The lack of full Prince (hands-all-over) production ? (think about the 20TEN album...) The (slower) pace of the whole album ? The lack of inventive synth use ? (Prince has a trademark on this one imho, and there isn't much 'new sound' to discover). The way-to-much-mixing-to-the-front of the (fine) female voices ? The abscenes of interesting guitar solos ? The diminshing distorted guitar use, or the way most (louder) guitar parts are mostly mixed to the back ? The meager uptempo and dance songs ? The use of a poor electric sounding piano ? (he did that more often lateron too. compare it with the sound of his early piano recordings...) The preaching and the worrying messages ? The absence of colaborations with bigger names ? Or was the Jehova thing coming to some sort an end (for him) ? I mean... - ''When She comes is just fantastic classic Prince'' And is my stand-out track so far. - [Edited 8/4/21 3:07am] I dig your vibe Van. My broadband provider would fine me if I had to adequately respond to all that, but regarding your criticism of P’s guitar playing on this record, I’ll refrain from boring everyone with my own overwrought stream of consciousness and just paste this from Guitar World from a journalist who specialises in that particular aspect of musicianship. Not saying his opinion is definitive, but always good to get another perception from someone who can see things in a slightly more objective way, if such a thing exists with art. Recorded 11 years ago, Welcome 2 America was inexplicably archived without release. Thankfully, Legacy Records is putting that straight,because it combines vintage funk grooves with Prince’s supreme melodies.If you know nothing about funk and gospel guitar, this will teach you. Here are five outstanding guitar moments to listen for: Born 2 Die - This song opens with jazzy extended chords, doubled by synths.They standout thanks to Prince’s languid rocking of his wah pedal, adding expression to each chord after he’s played it. Later in the album,he closes out Stand Up and B Strong with a fiery wah-drenched solo, showing he mastered every type of wah expression. Hot Summer - In the middle of this funk opus comes this unexpected surf-rock tune.Prince’s palm muted, fuzzed out power chords open the track like an R&B Summer of 69. He pulls out his Chuck Berry licks for the middle 8, too. Same Page,Different Book - The guitar tones on this album are sublime. The James Brown-style chord stabs on the high strings are cutting and tight, while the lower single-note funk melody lines on the wound strings are fat and quacky. The riff here reminds us of Mark Ronson’s UptownFunk – an anachronistic comparison because this song is actually four years older. Yes - When the guitars on this album aren’t clean, they’re fuzz-powered. Here that fuzz comes over a Motown drumbeat and gives some serious grunt to this celebratory number’s basslines. One Day We Will All B Free - To close out the album,Prince has one guitar riff that incorporates everything great about funk guitar: syncopated rhythms, compact chords voicings, and staccato single notes. The whole album sounds totally fresh. My point being, and like I said in my own review, you only get back what you put in. If you come to W2A with, eh, accurate knowledge of what P is aiming to achieve and the records influences, it’s a deeply rewarding and gratifying experience. However, that’s not to say P made it as impenetrable to all but musicians and musicologists - it’s a pretty accessible work I think. Maybe too accessible - that was always P’s kryptonite - sweetening the medicine. | |
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- Certainly not. It remains a mediocre solid Prince album. But being open to another person's way of looking at things I'm capable of listening with another ear or have a different experience. Number23 's review gave me another listen and feel, whisch can be very enrichening. But SOTT is uncomparable and irrelvant to compare even. - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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A 2.5 at best. The fact I've only chosen to listen to it a couple of times reflects this, somehow it doesn't really inspire listening in the same way as his earlier stuff! I've only streamed it and I'm not really motivated to buy it yet but that may change.
The keeps for me are: Check The Record, (funky as hell but let down by lacklustre lyrics) Yes (although this sounds like quite an obvious rip off of Van Halen's Jump mixed with 'Chocolate Box'), 1,000 light years (also a good version, they are both like 2 different songs really, this one feels quite summery), Same Page, Different Book and Born 2 Die despite slightly judgemental lyrics. I find When She Comes somehow a bit cringey as he was then older, I can see why he decided to shelve his more racier stuff as he got older, somehow wasn't as sexy to imagine! The version he released on HnR2 is much more palatable IMO. I keep thinking he's singing about Andy Allo with the reference to 'shooting stars' which was also on Superconductor, and thinking of that age gap (!), but I think this was recorded before she was on the scene? Anyone know who it was about ?? I also find that ish don't stank line rather offputting!
The turkeys for me are: 1010 (irritating antiquated synth a la Alicia Keys, and doesn't really make any sense?!), Hot Summer (same track as released before - still sounds like a DIY commercial) and pretty much the rest. W2A just 'ok'- could be more lively, P just sounds bored, there's too many 'twinkling' sound effects, although I like the other atmospheric sounds. The rest are just 'meh'.. As usual with many of his later albums, this has been massively overproduced and lacks 'air' and breathability and yes I can clearly hear digital dropout on the streaming tracks, I hope for those who bought it it's not on the physical versions too?!
In terms of tracklisting, I keep wondering if it would have worked better for Stand Up and B Strong to be the positive outro track and to be swapped places with One Day We Will All B Free? (which has some musical similarities to Diamonds and Pearls). Stand up and B Strong just like a Hannah/3EG style Christian rock cover (I'm aware it's a cover) and could imagine it on PlectrumElectrum.
Oh and it's missing a hidden track compiled of the best of Shelby's 'Put Yo' Hands Up' chants repeated x 400.
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- Thank you for this nice refreshing view on his guitar playig. Appreciate it. - Two things : Yes the album sounds fresh, but not 'tatally' for me. And what Prince did with his guitar on 'Hot Summer' and 'Same Page Different Book' is something he did so very often on loads of other/older songs. Only, these songs were somehow far better imho, and thus were a part of a greater experience in those songs. But it's all about tastes and opinions of course. And my opinions are just like assholes, like everyone's got one. - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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You should check out the W2A Celebration this weekend to learn what P is saying. Check out "Welcome 2 America Virtual Celebration (#W2AVC)"! Check out "Welcome 2 America Virtual Celebration (#W2AVC)" on Eventbrite! Date: Sat, Aug 21 • 10:00 AM EDT https://www.eventbrite.co...7?aff=eand Number23 said: Now that the other W2A thread has
Others have said this is Prince’s mash up of Gil Scott Heron and P Funk (Wants To Get Funked Up) and they’re not wrong, but it’s actually more reminiscent of his own The War (which, of course, was directly inspired by Heron’s work) where he presents himself as not as an energised master of ceremonies, balladeer or partyman but a preacher/prophet of encroaching societal cataclysm.
RUNNING GAME (SON OF A SLAVE MASTER) A nice cylindrical, smoky, Goldnigga-reminiscent rootsy guitar lick welcomes us to a mature-sounding groove, joined by mellow yet dense, snap crackle n popping organic drums in the mix’s foreground - complimented and sweetened by a lovely little single bell buried deep in the mix at the end of each bar. The main synth hook is a nice future-retro Emancipation/NPS synth but warmer and works due to the juxtaposition with the natural sonic landscape. It arrives as a cool breeze sweeping though the organic cosiness of the live instrumentation.
I suppose everyone reading will have already heard this. I like it more with each listen, reminds me of Shy lyrically in terms of its simple but concise concept of a sensitive ghetto girl ‘gone wrong’. Horns are more Issac than Curtis to me, but the groove is certainly Lil Chile Running Wild-era Mayfield. A huge yet tasteful, lush, summertime production fills the room with sunlight and glittering gold as it plays, but the heat it suggests is perhaps symbolic of the stifling pressure of the streets, an unbearably suffocating and highly pressured existence. As a producer, Morris Hayes certainly has some enviable ears.
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Another great review review from Number23!
I agree that 1010 (Rin Tin Tin) is the highlight, it is a wonderously zany song. I remember reading the allmusic review of 20ten which said something along the lines of being able to hear how Prince has 'stripped the freakiness out of his persona'. It's a fair criticism, it's very rare to find a song in Prince's later catalogue that is satisfactorily off-kilter. 1010 (Rin Tin Tin) fits the bill however, and its vaguely cryptic and very Prince-ly lyricism is perfectly suited to the song's peculiar staccato rhythm. Prince references Beethoven and Bach, but it reminds me more of Maurice Ravel's Bolero in the way that the song grows larger while riffing on the same melody. There are so many little vocal add-libs and voices Prince makes which sound entirely unique to this song. And for its sheer sense of puzzlement and mystery, I cannot help love the way Prince sings, 'Can somebody please tell me the real time?'. The song does have shades of Joint 2 Joint, but is vastly superior in my opinion. It is rare for a late career Prince song to have this much intrigue. It is a marvel. Another favourite is Stand Up & B Strong. I thought I was going to hate it for its soupyness, but it works. It works, I guess, because it is so sincere. It has so much that should ride against it: its almost christian-rock sweetness, the X Factor style turns from Shelby & Co, the sentiment. It is like a train rocking side to side on the tracks, willing itself to derail. But it doesn't, it powers through. I actually think it is great how Prince's voice weaves in and out. It carries a lot of weight. After a few listens, I love the gospel-rave up of the second half, with the handclaps and the back and forth between the signers, organ and (autotuned?) guitar. It is euphoric. Curriously, as well as The Holy River it also reminds me of Walkin' in Glory from SOTT deluxe. Two of his most heavily gospel influenced songs have now appeared on sets of unreleased music - how much more might there be in the vault?
It is a shame that the album leaked before you had the chance to post your review. The week or so before SOTT deluxe was so much more exciting for the inventive way you wrote about the songs (even if I think you occasionally over-sell some of them!).
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Have listened now a few times, including last night. I have listened to a few podcast reviews too get other's opinions. This is a top 10 album for me...top 10 of Prince albums and that saying a lot. What I think I love about it is, its cohesiveness...both in music and message. The lone oddity is Hot Summer but even that one is pulled into the rest b/c of the prominent vocals of Shelby or Liv. I doubt Prince sequenced this...just b/c it is so cohesive:) He would have throw in a Screw Driver or messed the flow up with a Funk and Roll. Whatever the case, I love this album. I haven't spent this time tryingi to understand the lyrics as I have for this album. I have often said, he probably could have used a 2nd set of eyes at times I"m not saying he needed another writer...just someone who could say..'don't put Screw Driver on Phase 2 or, 'don't put FUnk and Roll between Way Back Home and Time' on Art Official. For W2A, everything fits so well that I am actually enjoying the album far more.
To think, there may be countless other super albums like this for us.
Now the sad part, it seemed as the Mountains and Sea podcaster said, he was returing to centre from the very conservative times of his early 2000s. There was so much more he had to say....I suspect, these were a collection of his more personal songs, where he wanted to say exactly what was on his mind that he made a pattern of vaulting. It gives me a lot of hope that there will be more fantastic releases like this going forward. | |
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