No one.

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

robertgeorge said:

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

Lat I hear there was 8,500 plus unreleased songs.

How is that exagerrated?

Graycap23 said:

robertgeorge said:

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

Lat I hear there was 8,500 plus unreleased songs.

How is that exagerrated?

Exaggerated in terms of quality, such as Prince having songs better than Purple Rain that he was keeping for himself and his children (well that won't happen), the wildest most psychedelic Revolution tracks or something like that was what he said. Morris Hayes claimed to have heard those better than Purple Rain tracks, but who knows when it is all subjective.

Exaggerated in the sense that the 8500 songs are all unique and completed, and not a reasonable amount of alternative takes, remixes and incomplete jams.

That being said, I am not detracting from the accomplishments of Prince and the Vault. I just don't believe he was sleeping on stuff better than Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O the Times etc.

Sure he kept some cool stuff unreleased (a lot of our faves), I just don't believe all of his process was platinum when his later albums lost that quality control and it factor for me.

I see no real reason to not have it be open to hear the contents of. I think it would be a disservice to both, Prince fans and music historians, to not have the full scope of what he was up to in his life

let's face it,folks.....in our lifetime,we're not gonna be able to hear everything that's in the vaults.We can only dream about and speculate about what's really there I'm OK with this.I enjoy hearing the outtakes on the SDEs.We'll just have to have to settle for that.

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robertgeorge said:

Graycap23 said:

Lat I hear there was 8,500 plus unreleased songs.

How is that exagerrated?

Exaggerated in terms of quality, such as Prince having songs better than Purple Rain that he was keeping for himself and his children (well that won't happen), the wildest most psychedelic Revolution tracks or something like that was what he said. Morris Hayes claimed to have heard those better than Purple Rain tracks, but who knows when it is all subjective.

Exaggerated in the sense that the 8500 songs are all unique and completed, and not a reasonable amount of alternative takes, remixes and incomplete jams.

That being said, I am not detracting from the accomplishments of Prince and the Vault. I just don't believe he was sleeping on stuff better than Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O the Times etc.

Sure he kept some cool stuff unreleased (a lot of our faves), I just don't believe all of his process was platinum when his later albums lost that quality control and it factor for me.

I'll bet u cash money the unreleased stuff from Exodus with Prince singing the lead will kick PR in the behind.

robertgeorge said:

Graycap23 said:

Lat I hear there was 8,500 plus unreleased songs.

How is that exagerrated?

Exaggerated in terms of quality, such as Prince having songs better than Purple Rain that he was keeping for himself and his children (well that won't happen), the wildest most psychedelic Revolution tracks or something like that was what he said. Morris Hayes claimed to have heard those better than Purple Rain tracks, but who knows when it is all subjective.

Exaggerated in the sense that the 8500 songs are all unique and completed, and not a reasonable amount of alternative takes, remixes and incomplete jams.

That being said, I am not detracting from the accomplishments of Prince and the Vault. I just don't believe he was sleeping on stuff better than Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O the Times etc.

Sure he kept some cool stuff unreleased (a lot of our faves), I just don't believe all of his process was platinum when his later albums lost that quality control and it factor for me.

I heard 8000 but it's probably a latest estimate. And including instrumentals, how are they going to know at this stage? I can't believe everything in the vault has been properly curated yet.

Since Purple Rain is the perfect album, the idea of having songs any better is like, unfathomable.

As a huge fan I find tracks like Possessed, The Dance Electric, Purple Music disappointing. Meandering pop jam filler compared to his best work - good maybe, not great. I also think with his alternate (2nd version) takes, as well as his remixes, he forgets about harmony. And I would prefer that those remixes and 2nd song versions make up but a tiny amount of the overall vault content. Was he sleeping on stuff better than Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O the Times?! I've heard enough bootlegs to know the quality is often on the same level. And by that I mean, better than some of the official 90s/00s... material

Romeoblu said:

Well personally i think the Bonnie Riatt songs were great. The Vault is proving to be a wonderful treasure trove and we still haven't had the Parade SDE.

They are. Exhibit A. !!!

Graycap23 said:

No one.

Only Sheila E. wants the vault to remain closed.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Romeoblu said:

Well personally i think the Bonnie Riatt songs were great. The Vault is proving to be a wonderful treasure trove and we still haven't had the Parade SDE.

They are. Exhibit A. !!!

I too have enjoyed a lot those Bonnie Raitt demos. I'm glad they chose to release them.

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I'm not waiting for every outake to be "In All My Dreams" or "Witness 4 The Prosecution"

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Those unheard gems are essentiel to understand the full scope of Prince's artistry.

Which songs were the Bonnie songs?

What sort of Prince fan doesn't want the vault opened? That's just nonsense.

JorisE73 said:

robertgeorge said:

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

lust said:

JorisE73 said:

Only Sheila E. wants the vault to remain closed.

Because she doesn’t want anyone to hear the unreleased track “Lies of engagement”

Bertrand said:

robertgeorge said:

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

Kind of redundant because the Estate is already releasing vault material so I don't see the use of this petition.
Now if someone made a clear and more focussed petition opting for example an subsrcription based NPGMC like website with every single recording (audio and video) Prince did then that would be more useful I think.

robertgeorge said:

Graycap23 said:

Lat I hear there was 8,500 plus unreleased songs.

How is that exagerrated?

Exaggerated in terms of quality, such as Prince having songs better than Purple Rain that he was keeping for himself and his children (well that won't happen), the wildest most psychedelic Revolution tracks or something like that was what he said. Morris Hayes claimed to have heard those better than Purple Rain tracks, but who knows when it is all subjective.

Exaggerated in the sense that the 8500 songs are all unique and completed, and not a reasonable amount of alternative takes, remixes and incomplete jams.

That being said, I am not detracting from the accomplishments of Prince and the Vault. I just don't believe he was sleeping on stuff better than Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O the Times etc.

Sure he kept some cool stuff unreleased (a lot of our faves), I just don't believe all of his process was platinum when his later albums lost that quality control and it factor for me.

Obviously, it's all subjective but I've heard plenty of material that could easily have held its own sitting on any of the classic albums. I guess the bigger question is whether there is stuff that hasn't been widely bootlegged that is of similar quality.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

JorisE73 said:

Bertrand said:

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

Kind of redundant because the Estate is already releasing vault material so I don't see the use of this petition.
Now if someone made a clear and more focussed petition opting for example an subsrcription based NPGMC like website with every single recording (audio and video) Prince did then that would be more useful I think.

My thoughts too.

Bertrand said:

robertgeorge said:

I think all of the vault should be released (unfortunately I don't see the market or the Estate being able to do this)

I don't think releasing everything destroys his legacy even if we never got another good song. Why? Because some songs should be treated as pencil sketches, drafts, jottings on a cocktail napkins or a beer coaster. I think it is an important document for an important artist.

The vault was legendary so of course it was exaggerated, but it should still have some stunning songs. The video footage alone should justify opening it.

Everything you wanted or needed to know about is in his music/the vault.

Release it!!!

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

I don't see how this is going to be of any use. If you wanna bully a private company into releasing something, aren't Twitter hashtags the best way to go anyway?

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This is how Zack Snyder and DC fans managed to make WB finance and release Justice League's director's cut, with a #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign. I see they also had a petition, though, with 179 000 signatures. But I think the hashtag campaign brought more media attention.

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Good luck getting that many signature for Prince anyway. Motivated Prince fans are probably way too few by comparison to motivated Snyder/DC fans, I doubt there could be an efficient #OpenThePrinceVault campaign. + the situation was different anyway, because it was a case of artist and fans together vs corporate, while in P's case there's no more artist, it'd just be fans vs corporate.

databank said:

Bertrand said:

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

I don't see how this is going to be of any use. If you wanna bully a private company into releasing something, aren't Twitter hashtags the best way to go anyway?

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This is how Zack Snyder and DC fans managed to make WB finance and release Justice League's director's cut, with a #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign. I see they also had a petition, though, with 179 000 signatures. But I think the hashtag campaign brought more media attention.

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Good luck getting that many signature for Prince anyway. Motivated Prince fans are probably way too few by comparison to motivated Snyder/DC fans, I doubt there could be an efficient #OpenThePrinceVault campaign. + the situation was different anyway, because it was a case of artist and fans together vs corporate, while in P's case there's no more artist, it'd just be fans vs corporate.

You could use the Snyder Cut as a reference point, but really only for ONE project. i.e. #ReleaseBlackIsTheNewBlack. You could not strongarm the Estate into releasing the Vault with a simple social media campaign.

I personally feel that the Estate is scrambling to find something new to release. We got P&M'83 and Originals, and then the shelved W2A album. Unless they are holding back until the SDEs have all come out. Pacing things out.

JorisE73 said:

Bertrand said:

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

Kind of redundant because the Estate is already releasing vault material so I don't see the use of this petition.
Now if someone made a clear and more focussed petition opting for example an subsrcription based NPGMC like website with every single recording (audio and video) Prince did then that would be more useful I think.

When I read the petition, my understanding was that it left room for options.

Read the last point of the petition.

databank said:

Bertrand said:

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

I don't see how this is going to be of any use. If you wanna bully a private company into releasing something, aren't Twitter hashtags the best way to go anyway?

.

This is how Zack Snyder and DC fans managed to make WB finance and release Justice League's director's cut, with a #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign. I see they also had a petition, though, with 179 000 signatures. But I think the hashtag campaign brought more media attention.

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Good luck getting that many signature for Prince anyway. Motivated Prince fans are probably way too few by comparison to motivated Snyder/DC fans, I doubt there could be an efficient #OpenThePrinceVault campaign. + the situation was different anyway, because it was a case of artist and fans together vs corporate, while in P's case there's no more artist, it'd just be fans vs corporate.

Happy to support a hashtag campaign if somebody wants to start one.

no.

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Bertrand said:

Somebody started this :

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/message-for-the-release-of-princes-vault-material

Another idiotic, useless "petition" that does nothing but collect signers' personal information for sale.
There's nothing sillier than fan petitions. Ignored with good reason.

This one's particularly silly. Too many "quotation" marks and passive "We would like to ask" crap. Well, ASK. No one is keeping you from asking except your own grammar.

these past few weeks I've rediscovered "Dreamer" and the vault is bound to have a few more of those hard hitting raw rock tracks from his later years in there. i would cut someone for one of those right now.