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Thread started 06/30/21 11:58am

Phase3

Was Susan Rodgers wrong about "Adonis & Bathsheba"?

This song has always been a gem in my opinion.O have always been curious because I had heard about the song before it even leaked.
I reqd that upon hearing some of the song ,Susan busted out laughing at the song in front of Prince.
Maybe that is why prince didn't release it?
I don't hear why she would laugh because the song is great and kinda stands out in the Prince catalog
[Edited 6/30/21 13:31pm]
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Reply #1 posted 06/30/21 12:07pm

peedub

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She was wrong. It's easily in my top ten list, a contender for top five and on any given day could be my all-time favorite.
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Reply #2 posted 06/30/21 12:08pm

Romeoblu

Absolutely brilliant song.

Maybe has my favourite ever guitar solo.

10/10.
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Reply #3 posted 06/30/21 12:46pm

wilmer

Not a bad song but defly not one of my favorites. I never put it in my SOT Vault Trax playlist. There's no way Susan Rogers or anybody else for that matter could have been wrong. You like what you like
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Reply #4 posted 06/30/21 12:50pm

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It's an utterly brilliant song and uniquely Prince.

While all art is necessarily subjective, I do indeed consider Susan utterly wrong. What a howler of a comment.

Shame Prince didn't re-release it in 94/95 as it appears he was planning given the CD single artwork created. The lyrics were also in his Neo Manifesto book published during the same period, so it was obviously on his mind at the time along with 'Empty Room', which I heard and saw the video for on The Live Experience tour at Wembley Arena in 1995.
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Reply #5 posted 06/30/21 1:22pm

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No, it's as unsafe as trying to fly an aeroplane without any training. It's as unsafe as trying to fight a tiger with your bare hands. It's as unsafe as trying to promote democracy in Hong Kong. And now we're getting somewhere. Freedom of speech! It's worth something. Susan has her opinion, you have yours. Thankfully, it is safe to say that.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #6 posted 06/30/21 1:32pm

Phase3

SantanaMaitreya said:

No, it's as unsafe as trying to fly an aeroplane without any training. It's as unsafe as trying to fight a tiger with your bare hands. It's as unsafe as trying to promote democracy in Hong Kong. And now we're getting somewhere. Freedom of speech! It's worth something. Susan has her opinion, you have yours. Thankfully, it is safe to say that.

I edited the thread title.The title is a little "safer"
I know it is freedom of speech.I just wanted to get a discussion going on the opinions of this great song.
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Reply #7 posted 06/30/21 1:42pm

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Phase3 said:

This song has always been a gem in my opinion.O have always been curious because I had heard about the song before it even leaked.
I reqd that upon hearing some of the song ,Susan busted out laughing at the song in front of Prince.
Maybe that is why prince didn't release it?
I don't hear why she would laugh because the song is great and kinda stands out in the Prince catalog
[Edited 6/30/21 13:31pm]


Love it

Maybe she laughed as she wasn't ready for it yet smile
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Reply #8 posted 06/30/21 2:22pm

SantanaMaitrey
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Phase3 said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

No, it's as unsafe as trying to fly an aeroplane without any training. It's as unsafe as trying to fight a tiger with your bare hands. It's as unsafe as trying to promote democracy in Hong Kong. And now we're getting somewhere. Freedom of speech! It's worth something. Susan has her opinion, you have yours. Thankfully, it is safe to say that.

I edited the thread title.The title is a little "safer"
I know it is freedom of speech.I just wanted to get a discussion going on the opinions of this great song.

Yeah, I know, I was just joking. I really like the song, it's a weird little fairy tale put to music.
If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger tool than I am.
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Reply #9 posted 06/30/21 2:29pm

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It's way over the top...and I love it. lol

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #10 posted 06/30/21 2:53pm

TheEnglishGent

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I like it. I wonder if Susan heard the finished version. Maybe her reaction was to an earlier cut?

RIP sad
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Reply #11 posted 06/30/21 6:38pm

Phase3

I will add that some Prince songs are meant to be funny and I know it's good to have a sense of humor.But I believe prince was serious when he was writing this and was puzzled when Susan started laughing at the lyrics.
Some songs are hilarious though like "work that fat" or "movie star"
"Cloreen bacon skin" is another
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Reply #12 posted 06/30/21 6:47pm

playtime92

For what it's worth I was looking at the Spotify streaming data for SOTT deluxe the other week and, aside from the pre-release singles, Adonis & Bathsheba had the most plays of the vault material
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Reply #13 posted 06/30/21 6:50pm

jdcxc

Brilliant, gorgeous, ecstatic song. Phil Spector via Prince. What are her Prince faves...besides Wally?

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Reply #14 posted 06/30/21 6:53pm

fortuneandsere
ndipity

She laughed at the harp overdub. He scowled slightly in response.
The rest of the recording staff were like...

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #15 posted 07/01/21 8:32am

Musze

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Yes. If nothing else, for the epic guitar solo.


I will fight Susan in the street over this song.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #16 posted 07/01/21 8:48am

Vannormal

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Meh.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #17 posted 07/01/21 9:06am

gandorb

I love the Price songs that are completely unique in his catalog as well as in music in general. Adonis & Bathsheba is one of those wonderful originals.
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Reply #18 posted 07/01/21 9:17am

LoveGalore

One of my most played songs in his catalog.

Opinions are like assholes and mine has time and space for the harp.
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Reply #19 posted 07/01/21 9:40am

sulls

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She should admit only Prince could pull off a song like A&B - and he did.
"I like to watch."
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Reply #20 posted 07/01/21 9:51am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

OperatingThetan said:

It's an utterly brilliant song and uniquely Prince. While all art is necessarily subjective, I do indeed consider Susan utterly wrong. What a howler of a comment. Shame Prince didn't re-release it in 94/95 as it appears he was planning given the CD single artwork created. The lyrics were also in his Neo Manifesto book published during the same period, so it was obviously on his mind at the time along with 'Empty Room', which I heard and saw the video for on The Live Experience tour at Wembley Arena in 1995.


Not so. Art is only subjective if either people approach it with subjective emotional bias ('I'm probably not going to like this song as I don't like the artist'). Or the music processing in the brain is flawed. This applies to vast majority of people because most people only listen to a few genres at best. But in turn, their limited taste incurs a snobby bias once again. So it's both, subjective bias and dodgy processing.

Now, to the idea people like different songs across multiple genres, yes ok. But really, two abstract things determine the quality of music. How much does it cohere, the anti-chaos quotient if you will? And second, how much element of surprise is there, the anti-boredom quotient?

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #21 posted 07/01/21 12:58pm

laytonian

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It's way over the top...and I love it. lol

I love it...but I also laughed (more giggled) at
"They decide to stand
No bed, they decide to stand"

Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me.
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Reply #22 posted 07/01/21 9:17pm

ForceofNature

I like the song, especially the solo. But I never really gave the song much thought to be honest

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Reply #23 posted 07/02/21 5:06am

tab32792

ABSOLUTELY. She thought it was corny but what would her opinion of all people on a song mean to me? Lol Wonderful engineer but no
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Reply #24 posted 07/02/21 6:35pm

jfenster

Since when is there freedom of speech on here?
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Reply #25 posted 07/03/21 3:26am

NouveauDance

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It is corny as hell, but I still like it. Unlike some on here I'm not calling for her to be burned at the stake for having an opinion about a pop song.

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Reply #26 posted 07/03/21 4:40am

MattyJam

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NouveauDance said:

It is corny as hell, but I still like it. Unlike some on here I'm not calling for her to be burned at the stake for having an opinion about a pop song.


Burn the witch.

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Reply #27 posted 07/03/21 12:56pm

RJOrion

Of course she was wrong
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Reply #28 posted 07/03/21 2:23pm

jaawwnn

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She's down on record saying its the only song she worked on she didn't like, if you dislike any Prince song at all you're in the same boat as her.

Also, duh, she said she didn't like a song, there's no being wrong or being right involved. Grow up children.
"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #29 posted 07/03/21 2:25pm

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playtime92 said:

For what it's worth I was looking at the Spotify streaming data for SOTT deluxe the other week and, aside from the pre-release singles, Adonis & Bathsheba had the most plays of the vault material

That's very interesting, i wonder if people consider it a very eye-catching title?
"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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