lustmealways said:

lustmealways said:

RJOrion said:

lustmealways said:

people just having a conversation, bro, kind of weird to come in here all angry, bro, people just trying to talk about it, bro.

put some respect on the "superior purple music" thread and have a cup of herbal tea.

SNIP - of4$
Do not instigate, engage in, or encourage 'flame wars'.
Don't make posts that are inflammatory just to get people riled up.

Yep.......and it's nuts.

U guys don't know more about Prince and his thoughts than he did. Stop the madness.

lustmealways said:

RJOrion said:

SNIP - of4$
Do not instigate, engage in, or encourage 'flame wars'.
Don't make posts that are inflammatory just to get people riled up.

people just having a conversation, bro, kind of weird to come in here all angry, bro, people just trying to talk about it, bro.

put some respect on the "superior purple music" thread and have a cup of herbal tea.

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LOL

Herbal tea for peace.

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Prince lied a lot, ís a recurring theme on itself.

Misleading is kind of lying or cheating too.

Morris hayes came in way after Purple Rain; whatever Prince told him about the PR tracks is something we will never be able to check for sure.

And don't forget, Prince alsways said that he never looked back, remember ?

So I personally think it's very doubtfull there are held back better songs.

And why didn't he do that for other albums too, or even mentioned it ?

With The Super Deluxe Editions, we are all aware of the unknown jams/gems.

But overall these gems did not always fit the released project, or vice versa.

And, he more than often went back to his own held back catalogue to pick up older songs again.

So, the ''not looking back'' part that Prince often made us believe is also doubtfull, all of a sudden.

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He was never really consistent, except for never trusting anyone and recording music.

And that's what makes him partly so unpredictable and interesting,

that skunny motherfucker with the big ego.

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Graycap23 said:

Yep.......and it's nuts.

U guys don't know more about Prince and his thoughts than he did. Stop the madness.

What does that even mean? How is anyone correcting Prince? We don't even know what material and the discussion is what might exist.

Do you think his self evaluations of his own music were always accurate though? He released Poom Poom.

The great thing about Purple Rain (the album), is that its sequencing and editing are perfection - yes the songs are also good - but isn't it all really about framing, timing and the whole frenzy over the film back then? Let's say there was a PR2 ready to go in the vault - would people (the general population and maybe fams) be interested and hold it up as one of his best?

We can see by the outtake discs on Spotify that no one is really listening to those songs. Now that's not a true sign of how good they are, but we have to be pragmatic in the reception that these songs might get. Even a song that is better than WDC might not make any impact on the world of music at this point.

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Prince has said before that there are songs no one has ever heard, including engineers.

Was Prince ever able to record anything without an engineer being present? I was under the impression that he was always dependant on an engineer being available to him.

According to PrinceVault, Prince recorded most of Controversy and a chunk of 1999 at his at his Kiowa Trail home studio prior to him hiring Susan Rogers in the summer of '83. When I look through the 1981-1982 recordings there is usually no other personnel mentioned other than Prince, although the name Don Batts does appear occasionally. I don't really know anything about Don. Was he a full time employee of Prince's in the same way Susan was? Could Prince record and mix on his own?

Dandroppedadime said:

The great thing about Purple Rain (the album), is that its sequencing and editing are perfection - yes the songs are also good - but isn't it all really about framing, timing and the whole frenzy over the film back then? Let's say there was a PR2 ready to go in the vault - would people (the general population and maybe fams) be interested and hold it up as one of his best?

We can see by the outtake discs on Spotify that no one is really listening to those songs. Now that's not a true sign of how good they are, but we have to be pragmatic in the reception that these songs might get. Even a song that is better than WDC might not make any impact on the world of music at this point.

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Fully agree.

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he said shit like this literally all the time and it was nearly always hyperbole to fluff his image or ego, it may be charming to think about, but 99 percent of the times his claims don't hold that much veracity...

lavendardrummachine said:

Graycap23 said:

Yep.......and it's nuts.

U guys don't know more about Prince and his thoughts than he did. Stop the madness.

What does that even mean? How is anyone correcting Prince? We don't even know what material and the discussion is what might exist.

Do you think his self evaluations of his own music were always accurate though? He released Poom Poom.

Of course his self evaluation was accurate, it was self evaluation. His own subjective view of what he thought worthy of release. Prince must have liked everything he released. I doubt everyone here liked everything he released but the beatuy of it is, we can all pick and choose our favourites and ignore what we don't like.

For what it's worth, I love Poom Poom.

VaultCurator said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Se7en said:

TrevorAyer said:

Prince: nobody wants purple rain 2 Everybody: yes we do!!!

Prince: nobody wants Purple Rain 2
Everybody: Yes we do!
Prince: here's the Graffiti Bridge movie. Take it or leave it.

LOL

TrivialPursuit said:

SANSKER7 said:

Right, and this was his breakout to stardom. Why would you hold out on this lp. I think he did put his best stuff on it but was limited. It could have been a double lp but he just had one with 1999.

Yeah, we know how hard he worked on the PR project, and the effort he put into it. To think he held out a great song is utterly ridiculous. We already know he left off "Wednesday" and "Father's Song," re-recorded "Let's Go Crazy" and "Computer Blue" (a couple of times?), and replaced "Electric Intercourse."

And honestly, I am fully grateful for the vault stuff being put on 1999, Purple Rain, Sign O The Times. But have we actually heard something better than what's on the album itself? It's nice to have "Father's Song" or "Wednesday," but are they better songs than what's there? Is "Love and Sex" just a banger that never saw the light of day as it should have?

The only real crime in the PR project is the longer original version being edited down.

TrivialPursuit said:

SANSKER7 said:

Right, and this was his breakout to stardom. Why would you hold out on this lp. I think he did put his best stuff on it but was limited. It could have been a double lp but he just had one with 1999.

Yeah, we know how hard he worked on the PR project, and the effort he put into it. To think he held out a great song is utterly ridiculous. We already know he left off "Wednesday" and "Father's Song," re-recorded "Let's Go Crazy" and "Computer Blue" (a couple of times?), and replaced "Electric Intercourse."

And honestly, I am fully grateful for the vault stuff being put on 1999, Purple Rain, Sign O The Times. But have we actually heard something better than what's on the album itself? It's nice to have "Father's Song" or "Wednesday," but are they better songs than what's there? Is "Love and Sex" just a banger that never saw the light of day as it should have?

The only real crime in the PR project is the longer original version being edited down.

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I Agree.

The hard work on the Purple Rain project involved acting lessons for hi and all others involved,

sScreenwritings, script, location scouting, and whatever else.

And just for that reason i can imagine Prince wanted to have as much control about all of it.

He just did not have enough time to record more.

It's been said and repeated befor by otheres involved.

It's all just as simple as that.

He did it all (his album, othere's albums, a movie, etc) in a year and a few months.

Go figure.

It's already fucking amazing what he did and achieved.

Impossible for any other artist out there to even try that.

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Vannormal said:

lustmealways said:

people just having a conversation, bro, kind of weird to come in here all angry, bro, people just trying to talk about it, bro.

put some respect on the "superior purple music" thread and have a cup of herbal tea.

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LOL

Herbal tea for peace.

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Prince lied a lot, ís a recurring theme on itself.

Misleading is kind of lying or cheating too.

Morris hayes came in way after Purple Rain; whatever Prince told him about the PR tracks is something we will never be able to check for sure.

Again, I don't think this is a question of whether or not he lied. He may have genuinely believed that there are vault tracks better than those on PR. This is really a question of whether his assessment of the quality of those vault tracks was realistic.

love and sex is one of the all time greats

lurker316 said:

Vannormal said:

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LOL

Herbal tea for peace.

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Prince lied a lot, ís a recurring theme on itself.

Misleading is kind of lying or cheating too.

Morris hayes came in way after Purple Rain; whatever Prince told him about the PR tracks is something we will never be able to check for sure.

Again, I don't think this is a question of whether or not he lied. He may have genuinely believed that there are vault tracks better than those on PR. This is really a question of whether his assessment of the quality of those vault tracks was realistic.

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True.

But he never talked like that about other big projects.

And he sure did alot of 'm.

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lavendardrummachine said:

TheEnglishGent said:

In fact, we already had the studio version of Electric Intercourse released, which I prefer to WDC.

When Doves Cry is an undeniable great song, and massive hit because of that. We're talking about classic songs that tap into something bigger, not really what you or I prefer to listen to or consider a favorite song. I would guess it's very possible Electric Intercourse could have been one of those 5 songs, and sitting in a studio with Prince, someone might get really sold on it, but there are reasons WDC was a massive hit that changed our culture and people routinely play as the soundtrack for major events (Weddings, World Series, etc).

We can only talk about what we prefer. Nothing that releases now will have any kind of a fraction of the impact that WDC had. Doesn't even matter how good the songs are, they just won't get the exposure. Not only that but the entire music scene is just different now. If cultural impact is the measure of better, then nothing in the vault will be better. A song could release tomorrow and the entire org could come together as one and hail it the greatest thing Prince ever did but it won't have any larger cultural impact.

TheEnglishGent said:

lavendardrummachine said:

When Doves Cry is an undeniable great song, and massive hit because of that. We're talking about classic songs that tap into something bigger, not really what you or I prefer to listen to or consider a favorite song. I would guess it's very possible Electric Intercourse could have been one of those 5 songs, and sitting in a studio with Prince, someone might get really sold on it, but there are reasons WDC was a massive hit that changed our culture and people routinely play as the soundtrack for major events (Weddings, World Series, etc).

We can only talk about what we prefer. Nothing that releases now will have any kind of a fraction of the impact that WDC had. Doesn't even matter how good the songs are, they just won't get the exposure. Not only that but the entire music scene is just different now. If cultural impact is the measure of better, then nothing in the vault will be better. A song could release tomorrow and the entire org could come together as one and hail it the greatest thing Prince ever did but it won't have any larger cultural impact.

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You're absolutly right for 98%.

But that 2% of luck, hope and unpredictabilty is also needed.

The music industry has (drastically) changed, true. But never say never.

Although my realism folows you entirely in this.

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Vannormal said: