I recall reading that there is a collection of songs or an LP of music that was created around the time of "Purple Rain." If I remember correctly, Prince felt the music was superior to the "Purple Rain" album. The music was not meant to be released. Instead, it was meant for his children. Is this accurate, and where would I have read this? Mayte's book? I would love to hear this music, but it is not for our ears. If found in the vault, is it something that you would like released? Or should Prince's wishes be honored?

Michael7 said:

I recall reading that there is a collection of songs or an LP of music that was created around the time of "Purple Rain." If I remember correctly, Prince felt the music was superior to the "Purple Rain" album. The music was not meant to be released. Instead, it was meant for his children. Is this accurate, and where would I have read this? Mayte's book? I would love to hear this music, but it is not for our ears. If found in the vault, is it something that you would like released? Or should Prince's wishes be honored?

I think Morris Hayes said something like that Prince kept his A-list material off of Purple Rain.

Let's imagine there is 'superior music to Purple Rain' in the vault - I guess it would make sense for the Estate to hold it back - while they milk the existing albums - Remember PR SDE was created before Howe & Co. really go their act together and had been through the vault properly - so maybe (just maybe) there is an album of superior music from the PR era?.....

It seems unlikely. But if such music did exist, it being superior or not to Purple Rain is entirely subjective.

jfenster said:

The real question is why hasn't estate released this?

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Or maybe they did.

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TheEnglishGent said:

It seems unlikely. But if such music did exist, it being superior or not to Purple Rain is entirely subjective.

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That!

And who says it is true because Prince said so ?

He lied a great part of his life about a lot of things.

But.

If this is true, Istill find it weird that he never talked about it again.

So therefor I belive it's quite unlikely.

Like, Grafitti Bridge. He went way back in his catalogue to find stuff for that album.

And some of that stuff for instance was high quality stuff (not the album).

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jfenster said:

The real question is why hasn't estate released this?

Who says it exists? Prince knew how to hype himself up in very subtle ways sometimes. This was one of them, talking about holding back the best stuff from albums. I mean, I don't know how you get better than "Let's Go Crazy" or "The Beautiful Ones" or "Purple Rain", but okay then.

With the plethora of information we have about tracks that exist from that period (let's just say the 80s in general), we'd likely know what all this superior music was, yet none of it's ever leaked? Nothing about "OMG you should hear this!" in almost four decades?

Okay then.

JorisE73 said:

Michael7 said:

I recall reading that there is a collection of songs or an LP of music that was created around the time of "Purple Rain." If I remember correctly, Prince felt the music was superior to the "Purple Rain" album. The music was not meant to be released. Instead, it was meant for his children. Is this accurate, and where would I have read this? Mayte's book? I would love to hear this music, but it is not for our ears. If found in the vault, is it something that you would like released? Or should Prince's wishes be honored?

I think Morris Hayes said something like that Prince kept his A-list material off of Purple Rain.

Several times throughout his career,Prince has bragged about some amazing songs that he is keeping in his vaults.In the 90s,he spoke about a big album called The Dawn,saying "the world ain't ready for this".When he was feuding with Warners,he implied that they would not be getting his "best material".You have to take these comments with a grain of salt.The Purple Rain album is obviously filled with A-list material.It's hard to imagine that any of these 'secret outtakes' are better than "When Doves Cry".

jfenster said:

TrevorAyer said:

Prince: nobody wants purple rain 2 Everybody: yes we do!!!

Prince: nobody wants Purple Rain 2
Everybody: Yes we do!
Prince: here's the Graffiti Bridge movie. Take it or leave it.

jfenster said:

Artist tend 2 LOVE of all their work. U know damn well Prince had so much work that the likelyhood of this being true is about 101%

The general question nobody as asked or answered is if they have more outtakes and alternative albums than they're releasing, or if it's all been leaked and documented already. Are there more secret full albums from the 80's that aren't circulating? The Estate knows what is circulating, and have to know what they have by now.

We now have books claiming to document all of Prince's Purple Rain era studio work.

Morris never gave any details of the music he heard, maybe it was "Love & Sex", and "Electric Intercourse"? Plus we can gather from his taste and collaboration, with Prince by his side at that, he might not be the best source to judge. We know Prince wasn't always the best judge of his own music, but generally speaking he was on point in the 80's, and he generally put the best music on the albums, with only a hand full of exceptions so far.

Also remember, there are people here who think Roadhouse Garden/Dream Factory would have been better than Purple Rain, so uh, you know, different strokes for different folks.

JorisE73 said:

Michael7 said:

I recall reading that there is a collection of songs or an LP of music that was created around the time of "Purple Rain." If I remember correctly, Prince felt the music was superior to the "Purple Rain" album. The music was not meant to be released. Instead, it was meant for his children. Is this accurate, and where would I have read this? Mayte's book? I would love to hear this music, but it is not for our ears. If found in the vault, is it something that you would like released? Or should Prince's wishes be honored?

I think Morris Hayes said something like that Prince kept his A-list material off of Purple Rain.

That would really be something if True.....

lavendardrummachine said:

SoulAlive said:

lavendardrummachine said:

The general question nobody has asked or answered is if they have more outtakes and alternative albums than they're releasing, or if it's all been leaked and documented already. Are there more secret full albums from the 80's that aren't circulating? The Estate knows what is circulating, and have to know what they have by now.

We now have books claiming to document all of Prince's Purple Rain era studio work.

Very good point.I really think that,if those secret outtakes existed,it all would have leaked by now.Prince’s unreleased recordings have been leaking since the mid-to-late 80s.

Really? 75% of the outatkes on the releases since his death no one has ever heard.

Vannormal said:

TheEnglishGent said:

It seems unlikely. But if such music did exist, it being superior or not to Purple Rain is entirely subjective.

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That!

And who says it is true because Prince said so ?

He lied a great part of his life about a lot of things.

But.

If this is true, Istill find it weird that he never talked about it again.

So therefor I belive it's quite unlikely.

Like, Grafitti Bridge. He went way back in his catalogue to find stuff for that album.

And some of that stuff for instance was high quality stuff (not the album).

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I don't know that Prince necessarily lied, in that he was intentionally being misleading. He may have genuinely believed some of the vault contents were better than Purple Rain. But one thing I'm learning (and was somewhat reinforced by Tudahl's book), is that Prince wasn't the best judge of his own music. In his mind Velvet Kitty Kat might have been better than When Doves Cry.

Graycap23 said:

Really? 75% of the outatkes on the releases since his death no one has ever heard.

I don't think that's true. Whatever the percentage, there have been few real surprises that nobody knew existed.

The outtakes disc for the Purple Rain deluxe was pretty weak so that mean a lot of things, but the fact that we don't have a hint what this missing albums worth of songs could be, and nobody like a Jill or Fink ever have similar stories, makes me not want to hold my breath.

Vannormal said:

jfenster said:

The real question is why hasn't estate released this?

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Or maybe they did.

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What Vannormal said^ Add the best unreleased songs from 1999 deluxe+ Jerk out +Rasberry Beret and anything on the Jill Jones and Shiela`s first album and you have an Album that could certainly be said to be the equal of Purple Rain in my opinion.

In the interview, Morris Hayes said that Prince pulled him aside and popped in a CD with about 5 songs on it, claiming it was better than Purple Rain. Morris said he was skeptical, and told Prince something to the effect of, "You don't have BETTER than Purple Rain." Prince played him the songs, which Morris said sounded like they were recorded around the time of Purple Rain, and he was dumbstruck because he said they were in fact better than the songs on Purple Rain. He pleaded with Prince to release them, and mentioned it was at a time in his career where he could use a hit, and Prince laughed and declined, saying it was for his children to release. Morris said he was very hip to what was out on the bootleg circuit, and that he never heard those particular songs anywhere else aside from when Prince played them for him.

Prince has said before that there are songs no one has ever heard, including engineers. So who knows what's in those vaults that we don't know about? But this interview with Mr. Hayes is the only time I can think of where someone corroborates Prince's notion that he has better things in the vault than what he gave to the record companies.

This interview Prince gave in 2014 was certainly tantalizing. https://www.rollingstone....ne-227347/

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Prince has said before that there are songs no one has ever heard, including engineers. So who knows what's in those vaults that we don't know about? But this interview with Mr. Hayes is the only time I can think of where someone corroborates Prince's notion that he has better things in the vault than what he gave to the record companies.

It could also mean he didn't use Fink, Jill, or any of the others on those songs either. Certainly possible but that's some coincidence.

Knowing it was only 5 songs helps. I think we can all name unreleased songs that would have been huge hits, but are we saying better than When Doves Cry?

lavendardrummachine said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Prince has said before that there are songs no one has ever heard, including engineers. So who knows what's in those vaults that we don't know about? But this interview with Mr. Hayes is the only time I can think of where someone corroborates Prince's notion that he has better things in the vault than what he gave to the record companies.

It could also mean he didn't use Fink, Jill, or any of the others on those songs either. Certainly possible but that's some coincidence.

Knowing it was only 5 songs helps. I think we can all name unreleased songs that would have been huge hits, but are we saying better than When Doves Cry?

Better is just such a subjective and unmeasurable concept with music. All we can say for sure is that we prefer one thing or the other. For me, there are at least 4 songs on PR, which I prefer to hear over WDC, so it wouldn't surprse me if there was vault stuff I prefer. In fact, we already had the studio version of Electric Intercourse released, which I prefer to WDC.

But it's just peoples opinions. Do I believe Prince thought he had better than PR songs in the vault? Yes, I certainly do. Do I belive Morris thought he heard songs that he thought better than anything on PR? Yes, I believe that too. Does that mean you or I would think they are better? No, it doesn't, so we shouldn't get too excited. But that of course doesn't mean that there aren't songs which we might prefer, only time will tell. At least, I hope time will tell. At the rate we're getting releases none of us will live long enough to hear it all.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

In the interview, Morris Hayes said that Prince pulled him aside and popped in a CD with about 5 songs on it, claiming it was better than Purple Rain. Morris said he was skeptical, and told Prince something to the effect of, "You don't have BETTER than Purple Rain." Prince played him the songs, which Morris said sounded like they were recorded around the time of Purple Rain, and he was dumbstruck because he said they were in fact better than the songs on Purple Rain. He pleaded with Prince to release them, and mentioned it was at a time in his career where he could use a hit, and Prince laughed and declined, saying it was for his children to release. Morris said he was very hip to what was out on the bootleg circuit, and that he never heard those particular songs anywhere else aside from when Prince played them for him.

Prince has said before that there are songs no one has ever heard, including engineers. So who knows what's in those vaults that we don't know about? But this interview with Mr. Hayes is the only time I can think of where someone corroborates Prince's notion that he has better things in the vault than what he gave to the record companies.

This interview Prince gave in 2014 was certainly tantalizing. https://www.rollingstone....ne-227347/

I would be very interested to know where those other Vaults are or were... I'm surprised that information hasn't leaked!

TheEnglishGent said:

In fact, we already had the studio version of Electric Intercourse released, which I prefer to WDC.

When Doves Cry is an undeniable great song, and massive hit because of that. We're talking about classic songs that tap into something bigger, not really what you or I prefer to listen to or consider a favorite song. I would guess it's very possible Electric Intercourse could have been one of those 5 songs, and sitting in a studio with Prince, someone might get really sold on it, but there are reasons WDC was a massive hit that changed our culture and people routinely play as the soundtrack for major events (Weddings, World Series, etc).

"Electric Intercourse" is a good song but when I finally heard the studio version,I was kinda disappointed.The live version (from First Avenue in 1983) is superior.

RJOrion said:

SNIP - of4$
Do not instigate, engage in, or encourage 'flame wars'.
Don't make posts that are inflammatory just to get people riled up.

people just having a conversation, bro, kind of weird to come in here all angry, bro, people just trying to talk about it, bro.

put some respect on the "superior purple music" thread and have a cup of herbal tea.