OperatingThetan said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept active homosexuals as baptised members. Prince's alleged (We only have one account of it from one perspective) denouncing of Wendy and Lisa's homosexuality coincided with his JW conversion.

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Vicki from Sevenmag had documented several cases of homophobic behavior from the Prince camp in an issue of the PPML, including a post on Prince's official site that was a case of gay panic, something like "someone was approaching Prince but he was a bit too fabulous".

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OperatingThetan said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept active homosexuals as baptised members. Prince's alleged (We only have one account of it from one perspective) denouncing of Wendy and Lisa's homosexuality coincided with his JW conversion. However, he did go on to work and perform with Wendy and Lisa in 2007, so presumably any issues were resolved. Whatever, I think it is more likely Prince was tolerant, then following his religion. He then progressed away from the Jehovah's Witness faith toward the end of his life.

Do we have any actual info that shows Prince was moving away from the JW denomination?

Because Prince has always incorporated other stuff (especially his own Princeology) into his religious beliefs.

Janelle Mone came out after Prince passed away. I wonder if he suspected.

I read that part of Andy Allo's split with Prince was because she was questioning or bi??

DiscoMafia said:

I know that Prince had a quote from an interview where it was stated he said, ‘ folks be sticking it everywhere ‘ . Was it purely his religious beliefs? He did work through the years with Wendy & Lisa ( tho I think he asked them to denounce their sexuality. I think as the years past on he would have become more tolerant. I bring this up as there’s a few homophobic remarks on the Paisley Park FB page because they posted a Pride flag.

I don't think Prince would have ever posted an LGBT flag on any of his social media pages. (nor endorsed a particual political party, like how we saw people use Prince connected terms etc to push for people to vote last year)

I think Prince displayed the common religious and sexual conservatism of many older black men of his generation.

Hetoerosexual sex in all it's favors is something to be celebrated.

Lesbian sexuality is something to vex and possibly titilate you.

Homosexual male sexuality was, "Eww, gross...".

He had no problem hiring and delighting in lesbian bandmates, obviously, but I don't think Prince would have been comfortable with a gay male musical collaborator. At least one out in the open.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OperatingThetan said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept active homosexuals as baptised members. Prince's alleged (We only have one account of it from one perspective) denouncing of Wendy and Lisa's homosexuality coincided with his JW conversion. However, he did go on to work and perform with Wendy and Lisa in 2007, so presumably any issues were resolved. Whatever, I think it is more likely Prince was tolerant, then following his religion. He then progressed away from the Jehovah's Witness faith toward the end of his life.

Do we have any actual info that shows Prince was moving away from the JW denomination?

Because Prince has always incorporated other stuff (especially his own Princeology) into his religious beliefs.

The biggest thing would be FIXURLIFEUP. Going from only God can lead to let all the people lead was a drastic shift in belief.

But Prince himself said everything he believed, he still believes.

So who knows.

BartVanHemelen said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

soladeo1 said:

I think Prince displayed the common religious and sexual conservatism of many older black men of his generation.

Hetoerosexual sex in all it's favors is something to be celebrated.

Lesbian sexuality is something to vex and possibly titilate you.

Homosexual male sexuality was, "Eww, gross...".

He had no problem hiring and delighting in lesbian bandmates, obviously, but I don't think Prince would have been comfortable with a gay male musical collaborator. At least one out in the open.

yes, His father was very conservative. I still wonder what his dad walked in on that made him throw Prince out though.
Most men actually lean more conservative. And yeah the generation he came out of definately.

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Probably not.

Didn't he perform with Elton John or something? He supported George Michaels career. He was the advocate for musicians in general though.

Strive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do we have any actual info that shows Prince was moving away from the JW denomination?

Because Prince has always incorporated other stuff (especially his own Princeology) into his religious beliefs.

The biggest thing would be FIXURLIFEUP. Going from only God can lead to let all the people lead was a drastic shift in belief.

But Prince himself said everything he believed, he still believes.

So who knows.

Hard to say. This is also the period where he became very close with Hanna and Josh (less Larry G)
I definately need to do so research now.

The lyrics remind more more of a 'Pop Life'ish type of 'get yourself together'

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I would consider an ally someone who publicly states they support LGBTQ+ people. Prince never did that.

When I brought up the not so positive things the Bible says about homosexuality during my celebration listening party , prince replied something like " oh...we gotta go there" and then turned it over to Larry to answer. Well Larry's answer got his music banned from my house for a year

i am a gay man BUMPING GCS every day of the week. i wonder if it makes larry uncomfortable.

rabbutt said:

After a silly remark acting like I was hitting on him , he went on to compare it to his time as a coke head, and a few more things that left a bad taste in my mouth( no pun intended)

The true disappointment was that we as a group ( me as a non-theist , A Muslim lady , and several non-JW Christians ) had just spent A few hours respectfully discussing religion with prince and to have him come in and end it on such a sour note .

rabbutt said:

After a silly remark acting like I was hitting on him , he went on to compare it to his time as a coke head, and a few more things that left a bad taste in my mouth( no pun intended)

That's the bible brother. They put homosexuality in the disordered thinking category. A thing you're suppose to call on God's grace to help you abstain from. It doesn't get more explicit than this.

"Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

"Everything is lawful for me,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is lawful for me,” but I will not let myself be dominated by anything. “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food,” but God will do away with both the one and the other. The body, however, is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body; God raised the Lord and will also raise us by his power.

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take Christ’s members and make them the members of a prostitute? Of course not! [Or] do you not know that anyone who joins himself to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For “the two,” it says, “will become one flesh.” But whoever is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Avoid immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the immoral person sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been purchased at a price. Therefore, glorify God in your body.

But alot of people have tricked themselves into thinking that the road to heaven is wide and the path to hell doesn't exist.

The scripture I brought up was the whole " abomination and should be put to death " and sadly prince didn't pipe in and say that's a bit too far , instead he took the backseat and let Larry speak " the truth "

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rabbutt said:

The scripture I brought up was the whole " abomination and should be put to death " and sadly prince didn't pipe in and say that's a bit too far , instead he took the backseat and let Larry speak " the truth "

Oh, I was talking more about why Larry would use the analogy of drug abuse when it came to homosexuality. Then again, most people who are doing that don't view it as a negative so I can understand why the comparison would be offensive.

It's not man's place to try to say that scripture went "a bit too far". That's still Fall Of Man thinking. That humans can know better than God. That they can rule better, they can decide better and they can be Gods themselves.

Leviticus is old testament and guidance for the old covenant within God's tribe. With the ransom of Jesus Christ, a new covenant was made for all of humanity. It's pretty clear that God is the one that will be doing the judging. He doesn't want us putting anybody to death. He's going to handle it all on the final day.

Strive said:

rabbutt said:

The scripture I brought up was the whole " abomination and should be put to death " and sadly prince didn't pipe in and say that's a bit too far , instead he took the backseat and let Larry speak " the truth "

Leviticus is old testament and guidance for the old covenant within God's tribe. With the ransom of Jesus Christ, a new covenant was made for all of humanity. It's pretty clear that God is the one that will be doing the judging. He doesn't want us putting anybody to death. He's going to handle it all on the final day.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL be fulfilled.

but that's getting off the subject

rabbutt said:

Strive said:

Leviticus is old testament and guidance for the old covenant within God's tribe. With the ransom of Jesus Christ, a new covenant was made for all of humanity. It's pretty clear that God is the one that will be doing the judging. He doesn't want us putting anybody to death. He's going to handle it all on the final day.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL be fulfilled.

but that's getting off the subject

So are you making the claim that there wasn't a new covernant made with humanity with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?

lustmealways said:

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Strive said:

rabbutt said:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL be fulfilled.

but that's getting off the subject

So are you making the claim that there wasn't a new covernant made with humanity with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?

Oh of course I am , I'm a non-theist 😀. But when it comes to this particular scripture , NO not ALL of your gods promises to the Jews have been fulfilled therefore all laws old and new must b kept . Jesus himself the greatest rabbi would have kept to the law .

I apologize for hijacking this thread, to get back on trac . I wonder if he was playing Controversy during this time. I would find it odd if he really really disapproved of homosexuality and yet continued singing about how his past actions lead to people perceiving him as gay.

rabbutt said:

Strive said:

So are you making the claim that there wasn't a new covernant made with humanity with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?

Oh of course I am , I'm a non-theist 😀. But when it comes to this particular scripture , NO not ALL of your gods promises to the Jews have been fulfilled therefore all laws old and new must b kept . Jesus himself the greatest rabbi would have kept to the law .

I apologize for hijacking this thread, to get back on trac . I wonder if he was playing Controversy during this time. I would find it odd if he really really disapproved of homosexuality and yet continued singing about how his past actions lead to people perceiving him as gay.

Well that's probably why Prince clammed up and Larry stepped forward. Haha.

Jesus made the new covernant at the last supper. With his death, and the Jews rejection of him as the messiah, certain things were no longer required and what was expected from humanity was elevated. Simple animal sacrifice and cutting your foreskin was no longer enough to be considered righteous. You were now expected to make yourself the living sacrifice.

But you don't have to wonder. He released Controversy (Live In Hawaii) - He never fully conformed to his religion, even at his most faithful.