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Thread started 06/04/21 5:27pm

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Prince remakes by him that are better than his originals?

What are some Prince songs that he remade in the studio that are better than the original versions?
"In a large room with no light" from 2009 is a bit better than the original.Maybe only because I am sucker for electric guitar playing,which is absent in the original
"The dance" from 3121 is miles better than the NPG version
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Reply #1 posted 06/05/21 4:53am

donnyenglish

Exatraloveable is my favorite bootleg song. But, it has a mystique because it was never released. The new version is objectively better but probably not as coveted because it was released officially.

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Reply #2 posted 06/05/21 6:07am

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Hmmm! Not many, I prefer “I could never take the place of your man” because of the lyrical change at the end, which shifted the whole dynamic of the song. That was a good call he did that.
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Reply #3 posted 06/05/21 7:26am

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Hamad said:

Hmmm! Not many, I prefer “I could never take the place of your man” because of the lyrical change at the end, which shifted the whole dynamic of the song. That was a good call he did that.

lyrical change? wh?

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Reply #4 posted 06/05/21 7:58am

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I honestly can't think of one. Usually they wind up being slightly worse.

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Reply #5 posted 06/05/21 8:15am

Hamad

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RufusRawfield said:



Hamad said:


Hmmm! Not many, I prefer “I could never take the place of your man” because of the lyrical change at the end, which shifted the whole dynamic of the song. That was a good call he did that.

lyrical change? wh?



This was at the end of the original 1979 version:

But I'll try yeah
Oh love I'll sure as hell try
Honey I'll try, yeah
I'll try baby
Take the place of your man, yeah


Whereas the released version, he suspended the possibility of him “trying to take the place of her man” smile at least that’s what I got from it.
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Reply #6 posted 06/05/21 9:55am

EmmaMcG

1000 Hugs & Kisses. The HitnRun Phase One version is so much better than any other previous version. It's not even close.
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Reply #7 posted 06/05/21 10:55am

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"The Dance" was definitely better the second time.

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Reply #8 posted 06/05/21 11:37am

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Feel U Up.... but I like them both.


There also aren't that many songs he finished, then went back to and re-did, a lot of those were drafts. I Can Take the Place of Your Man is probably the best example because he made a classic, and that's how we all heard it, but if we heard it the other way around, maybe we'd disagree.



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Reply #9 posted 06/05/21 12:14pm

TrivialPursuit

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The funkier version of "Irresistible Bitch" and "Possessed" are better than the drum machine laden one (of the latter) we heard in Purple Rain. It's mind numbing.

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Reply #10 posted 06/05/21 12:40pm

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Possessed is a good example, I’m confused though, which one is the remake? The slowed down version or the PR version?
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Reply #11 posted 06/05/21 5:16pm

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Hamad said:

Possessed is a good example, I’m confused though, which one is the remake? The slowed down version or the PR version?

The PR version
I believe the slowed version dates back to 1982
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Reply #12 posted 06/05/21 7:58pm

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Thanks for answering smile yeah I prefer the slower version, he sounded like he was having more fun there than the PR version.
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Reply #13 posted 06/05/21 8:19pm

Phase3

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Thanks for answering smile yeah I prefer the slower version, he sounded like he was having more fun there than the PR version.


Your welcome.I prefer the PR version.Whenenver I listen to it,I kinda get lost in it and it hypnotizes me.Both versions are great though
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Reply #14 posted 06/06/21 1:43am

strongoxman1

I like both versions of Possessed, but I prefer the less "theatrical" vocals from the 1982 version. For those who wish the 1982 version were more uptempo like the 1984 version, just play it back at 1.1x; the track times are almost identical then.

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Reply #15 posted 06/06/21 2:03am

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donnyenglish said:

Exatraloveable is my favorite bootleg song. But, it has a mystique because it was never released. The new version is objectively better but probably not as coveted because it was released officially.

I prefer the new version but it's not objectively better. A lot of people will think the old version is better. It's all subjective.

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Reply #16 posted 06/06/21 4:48am

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I think a lot of it is about what you hear first. I prefer the new version(s) of Extraloveable and I only heard the bootleg after. Also prefer the newer versions of Place of Your Man, Feel U Up, Irresistable Bitch. I extremely dislike the entire Purple Medley.

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Reply #17 posted 06/06/21 10:19am

jfenster

No one butchers his own songs like him
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Reply #18 posted 06/06/21 12:24pm

christobole

Rule of thumb: anything he did or re-did between 82 and 86, is better than what came before. Otherwise: not so much.

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Reply #19 posted 06/06/21 7:02pm

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His live versions, almost complete remakes are the only ones that I absolutely love. Little Red Corvette. Let's go Crazy reloaded, When Eye Lay My Hands on U are amazing standouts. Those are miiles and miles better live than many of the original studio versions.

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Reply #20 posted 06/06/21 9:42pm

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christobole said:

Rule of thumb: anything he did or re-did between 82 and 86, is better than what came before. Otherwise: not so much.


Disagree; I much prefer the original Wonderful Ass over the updated version with W&L, the 1982 arrangement of I Would Die 4 U over the released arrangement, his version of All Day, All Night over Jill's "extra" vocal performance, and the original 1982 version of Possessed over the 1984 version, again, due to the latter's manic vocal performance. Vanity's Sex Shooter [#2] is also far superior to Apollonia's.
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Reply #21 posted 06/07/21 6:38am

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Hamad said:

RufusRawfield said:

lyrical change? wh?

This was at the end of the original 1979 version: But I'll try yeah Oh love I'll sure as hell try Honey I'll try, yeah I'll try baby Take the place of your man, yeah Whereas the released version, he suspended the possibility of him “trying to take the place of her man” smile at least that’s what I got from it.

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The 1987 first known released version perfectly matched the eventful feeling of the era and the searches as in the SOTT title song, as well as in the other songs of that album.

There is a lot of desire in that album, the future at the time, love, sex, the desire for hope, the cross, Dorothy Parker, and the desire to be able to be her girlfriend, the will to understand.

There were not clear questions for all that seeking, longing and questioning.

That's why I love the first released version so much, where he doesn't want to be her replaced man.

It fits that complexity of that album imho.

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But I sure understand what you mean.

To me, that original version with a bright end was a welcome gift and discovery as well.

It also fitted perfectly in that era of an unbridled optimism in our young Prince's mind.

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Reply #22 posted 06/07/21 7:58am

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Great analysis! I prefer the SOTT for the same insight you provided. There was an emotional maturity captured in the released version that was evidently missing in the original version.
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Reply #23 posted 06/07/21 11:10am

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Hamad said:

RufusRawfield said:

lyrical change? wh?

This was at the end of the original 1979 version: But I'll try yeah Oh love I'll sure as hell try Honey I'll try, yeah I'll try baby Take the place of your man, yeah Whereas the released version, he suspended the possibility of him “trying to take the place of her man” smile at least that’s what I got from it.


I always wondered what she was doing at the bar while pregnant, and who was at home watching the other baby? 10:35pm on a Friday night, must've been grandma at home . . .


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Reply #24 posted 06/07/21 1:51pm

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4 the Tears in U'r Eyes....the remake (which I believe is the slower acoustic version) is better, in my opinion.

Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
I can be in a park, or flying in the…in the deep sea
I wish u’d hold my hand; then everything could b
There’s nothing strange, we’re not deranged
We only want everyday 2 b a Cosmic Day
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Reply #25 posted 06/07/21 3:35pm

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I've stated often that i appreciate P as an editor MUCH more now. the more i hear from The lauded Vault, (and we're 100 songs in by now right?), the more underwhelmed I am. His version of All Day, All Night kills to me. Maybe the aforementioned era of 82-86 is the difference but I don't even get excited for new vault releases anymore. While I can appreciate the emotional maturity of the SOTT version of ICNTTPOYM, I'm disinterested in that journey for the song itself. The Dance on 3121 is superb. I think some are caught up in the nostalgia of the orginals. Extraloveable makes that understandable but those seem to be rare outliers
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Reply #26 posted 06/07/21 5:47pm

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1nonly said:

4 the Tears in U'r Eyes....the remake (which I believe is the slower acoustic version) is better, in my opinion.


That's not really a remake. It's just a performance in a video. If that's the criteria, then "America," "Baby I'm A Star," "I Would Die 4 U," and others would be remakes. They're not, though. It's more just a version of the song, not a remake.

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Reply #27 posted 06/17/21 10:58am

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TrivialPursuit said:

1nonly said:

4 the Tears in U'r Eyes....the remake (which I believe is the slower acoustic version) is better, in my opinion.


That's not really a remake. It's just a performance in a video. If that's the criteria, then "America," "Baby I'm A Star," "I Would Die 4 U," and others would be remakes. They're not, though. It's more just a version of the song, not a remake.


Except that the original was released on We Are The World, and the remake is on The Hits/The B-Sides.

It's not just a "video performance". PrinceVault lists it as a re-recording.

I actually prefer the WATW version . . . more firmly planted in the ATWIAD sound and not the Parade era. But I do love them both.

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Reply #28 posted 06/17/21 11:38am

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Se7en said:



Hamad said:


RufusRawfield said:


lyrical change? wh?



This was at the end of the original 1979 version: But I'll try yeah Oh love I'll sure as hell try Honey I'll try, yeah I'll try baby Take the place of your man, yeah Whereas the released version, he suspended the possibility of him “trying to take the place of her man” smile at least that’s what I got from it.


I always wondered what she was doing at the bar while pregnant, and who was at home watching the other baby? 10:35pm on a Friday night, must've been grandma at home . . .



lol



I chalked it up as the crazy 70s razz
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Reply #29 posted 06/18/21 3:39am

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jfenster said:

No one butchers his own songs like him


He definitely proved this to be true in the 90's and 00's.

Thank Jahova he never got to re-record his entire catalogue like he said he would.
If he had, all those LP's would be sealed and sitting in my collection gathering dust, and I'd be out of pocket by the hundred$ if not thousnd$. PHEW! neutral lol


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