LoveGalore said:

SNIP - O4f$

Surrender to the supernatural, creepy

tomayto, tomahto

OldFriends4Sale said:

OperatingThetan said:

Jehovah's Witnesses do not accept active homosexuals as baptised members. Prince's alleged (We only have one account of it from one perspective) denouncing of Wendy and Lisa's homosexuality coincided with his JW conversion. However, he did go on to work and perform with Wendy and Lisa in 2007, so presumably any issues were resolved. Whatever, I think it is more likely Prince was tolerant, then following his religion. He then progressed away from the Jehovah's Witness faith toward the end of his life.

Do we have any actual info that shows Prince was moving away from the JW denomination?

Because Prince has always incorporated other stuff (especially his own Princeology) into his religious beliefs.

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No we (really) don't.

He's buried acoording to the jw ways, no ?

The only thing we can tell is that he sang less (openly) about it on his albums, or talked not that extensively anymore in public, or during live shows.

Honestly, as far as i know tbh.

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We all know he became homophobic because of his believes.

He even drifted away from science because of the sad influence of jw.

Before that, when he was young and clearly more sane/open about those issues.

Prince became seriously conservative when getting older. It is no secret.

I don't know how thàt works tbh.

One should think more while getting older, and be more free. Anyways.

His own Princeology as you name it was added to hide things a bit more imho.

We all know he wasn't the most well balanced person in his last years.

Personally I do hope he was able to think more freely towards the end of his life.

But I doubt it, since there wer barely positive signs...

Poor sucker, really.

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Phase3 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Janelle Mone came out after Prince passed away. I wonder if he suspected.

I read that part of Andy Allo's split with Prince was because she was questioning or bi??

That song about the bearded lady might be directed at her

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Nah.

That probably was about Conchita Wurst.

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LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Vicki from Sevenmag had documented several cases of homophobic behavior from the Prince camp in an issue of the PPML, including a post on Prince's official site that was a case of gay panic, something like "someone was approaching Prince but he was a bit too fabulous".

Why use the term gay panic? Prince never exhibited any violent tendencies toward gay people. You lot love to just make shit up.

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Gay panic as in "ooh can't have those kind of guys around Prince". The item she referred to also involved Prince's entourage shoving the guy out of the way or something like that.

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Another thing.

On facebook, they just posted a part of the around the world in a day album cover, the colourful part/ corner of the cover art. So no rianbow flag or any mention towards that.

Only the sentence : ''At Paisley Park, LOVE is the color this place imparts, today and always.''

You can argue if it is meant towards the Pride month/week.

It is Paisley Park's choice maybe.

This is not Prince who does this or stands for this (today).

Yes PP is Prince's, i know that..

But we're five years ahead now.

And possibly they try very carefully to apporach it from a commercial poitn of view too.

And I'm happy they did.

Progression needs to start somewhere.

Let's hope PP and The Estate progress further as well.

If there was one thing Prince stood for, it is the love for one another.

(and I hope he understood that himself when he turned his back to the LGBTQ+ and made the wrong U-turn to jw.)

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Vannormal said:

We all know he became homophobic because of his believes.

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I recall hearing something that he also had some issues with homosexuality in the 1980s. Let's not forget he was raised a Seventh-day Adventist: https://en.wikipedia.org/..._Adventism .

LoveGalore said:

Vannormal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do we have any actual info that shows Prince was moving away from the JW denomination?

Because Prince has always incorporated other stuff (especially his own Princeology) into his religious beliefs.

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No we (really) don't.

He's buried acoording to the jw ways, no ?

The only thing we can tell is that he sang less (openly) about it on his albums, or talked not that extensively anymore in public, or during live shows.

Honestly, as far as i know tbh.

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We all know he became homophobic because of his believes.

He even drifted away from science because of the sad influence of jw.

Before that, when he was young and clearly more sane/open about those issues.

Prince became seriously conservative when getting older. It is no secret.

I don't know how thàt works tbh.

One should think more while getting older, and be more free. Anyways.

His own Princeology as you name it was added to hide things a bit more imho.

We all know he wasn't the most well balanced person in his last years.

Personally I do hope he was able to think more freely towards the end of his life.

But I doubt it, since there wer barely positive signs...

Poor sucker, really.

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Yes he is buried in the JW tradition

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Yeah, after Rainbow Children, he really didn't sing a lot about it, maybe a song or two on an album

I think 20Ten was heavily infused or influenced, but I think I could say that about other songs after that album too.

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idk, I think like post #8 it depends on 'phobia' in what direction and what degree. He most likely had those ideas before he was famous. It doesn't always come from religion.

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I guess it depends on what we both see as being conservative/liberal.

It's usually expected that in our youth we are less conservative, because it's expected that we take more chances in figuring out life. Then what you do, and get into your zone you draw it in. That is associated with physical, financial, relationships, etc As people get older and closer to death it is a bit common to become more conservative. Shirley Bass My Way Randy Crawford -Everything Must Change When I Was 17 -Frank Sinatra, the Living Years etc
Even Boy George has become much more conservative. I remember reading something from an actress saying, when she had her child, she found she started become more conservative. So I guess it depends. Prince was always looking over what he's done/said to see if he would be ok with it if he died tomorrow. You can always see him let loose, then pull back.

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I guess when dealing with physical pain, you never know.

rabbutt said:

The true disappointment was that we as a group ( me as a non-theist , A Muslim lady , and several non-JW Christians ) had just spent A few hours respectfully discussing religion with prince and to have him come in and end it on such a sour note .

Good on you for mentioning it.

Vannormal said:

Before that, when he was young and clearly more sane/open about those issues.

Prince became seriously conservative when getting older. It is no secret.

I don't know how thàt works tbh.

One should think more while getting older, and be more free. Anyways.

When most people are young, they take things at face value. It's a very individual view of the world.

When you get older, you start to realize that the issues are deeper than you thought and that the people pushing certain agendas don't have your best interest at heart and the individualistic freedom you thought was so important in your youth is actually empty (at best) or slavery (at worst). You start to nurture a much wider view of the world. Beyond yourself.

At least, that's been my experience. Prince was all over the place when it came to internal logic.

Hate that term, ally.

rabbutt said:

After a silly remark acting like I was hitting on him , he went on to compare it to his time as a coke head, and a few more things that left a bad taste in my mouth( no pun intended)

Larry just traded coke for another vice (not religion). Ahem.

laytonian said:

Vannormal said:

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said: Why use the term gay panic? Prince never exhibited any violent tendencies toward gay people. You lot love to just make shit up.

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Gay panic as in "ooh can't have those kind of guys around Prince". The item she referred to also involved Prince's entourage shoving the guy out of the way or something like that.

perhaps it's the same post or i'm remembering another one but on the official website there was a bit that went something like '(i'm prarphrasing here) 'last night at the afterparty prince was approached by a flamboyant guy who was a bit too "enthousiastic" about seeing him so he was quickly redirected to THAT band member'

which I found to be perplexing back then. since it was pretty obviously a diss at a gay person AND somehow a veiled comment on one of his band members maybe being gay or bi?

maybe it was meant to just be funny but i have a good sense of humor and am not quickly offended but that post sort of hurt my feellings back then. it was just so sad to read something like that on an official prince website.

Hamad said:

LoveGalore said:

Well wasn't Prince reprimanded by his fellowship at some point anyway? I forget the details but his run with the JWs was not clean.

He recorded a (gospel?) album after Rainbow Children which was dedicated to the faith, he was asked to shelve the project. I can’t confirm or deny the information, my source is this site it would be interesting to hear what this project sounds like, if it really was recorded.

I believe it was one based on the JW hymns not a gospel album. From what I was told he wanted to even use PP for special worship services

this was the album cover, allegedy

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hamad said:

LoveGalore said: He recorded a (gospel?) album after Rainbow Children which was dedicated to the faith, he was asked to shelve the project. I can’t confirm or deny the information, my source is this site it would be interesting to hear what this project sounds like, if it really was recorded.

I believe it was one based on the JW hymns not a gospel album. From what I was told he wanted to even use PP for special worship services

this was the album cover, allegedy

i think you guys are confusing 2 different projects here. the above artwork was for The Rainbow Children II.

he also recorded several (an albums worth?) hymns and offered them to the JW church iirc they
declined and one of those hymnes has leaked in the past. Life Without End...At Last, iirc.

OperatingThetan said:

Prince was born way too late.

He should've been born on the Woodstock Stage.

SNiP - Of4$ [take it to P&R]

nayroo2002 said:

Prince was born way too late.

He should've been born on the Woodstock Stage.

yeah, so 1969?

i always wonder about that line. is it meant to be born as in 'debuted as an artist'
or actual bearth-born. if so the line makes no sense unless he wrote the song for
someone else, who was born 'way' after 1969.

It's none of anyone's business.

wildgoldenhoney said:

OperatingThetan said:

There was an album based on the JW songbook, that also featured contributions from George Benson (the first person to introduce Prince to JWs) and Larry Graham.

The album was not approved by the Watchtower Society and was abandoned, but some private copies on CD-R did leak among Jehovah's Witnesses.

One instrumental rendition of the song 'Life Without End At Last' by Prince did circulate online and should be available.

The cover posted above is from The Rainbow Children Part 2, which is a different project, though may have continued with some of the JW-related themes of its predecessor.


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He wrote that song, really?