Mostly the hits live, ferocious early versions of I Wanna Be Your Lover, Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad, Uptown, When U Were Mine, Controversy, Sexuality, 1999, Little Red Corvette, How Come you Don't Call Me Anymore,Purple Rain, When Doves Cry, Lets Go Crazy, Raspberry Beret, America, Kiss, Anotherloverholeinyourhead, Sign O the Times, Play in the Sunshine, I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man, Alphabet St, Thieves In the Temple/It, Batdance, Gett Off, Willing and Able, Rainbow Children, Musicology, 3121, Chelsea Rodgers

Maybe us hardcore fans would not be too excited, but we have our One Nite Alone Live stuff, an artist of live caliber as Prince should have at least 1 live music release that targets the mainstream, a little heavier on the early well know stuff

You would think that the Estate would (or would have) want(ed) to saturate the market with Prince concerts and videos on blurays and DVDs to further expose to the world what an amazing artist Prince was live. There's a reason why his live events would sell out (I'm not talking the Lovesexy tour) and other artists clamored to see him perform (such as the 3121 gigs). There was a reason why us fam members told others that you needed to see him live one time in your lifetime to 'get it'. Most other artists nowadays have their concerts from some tour available to purchase. I just don't get why the Estate hasn't woke up to this yet. Certainly there should be a full concert video available for purchase of his last Piano & Microphone tour with a deluxe edition featuring interviews with previous band members talking about Prince.

More than 2 Cd's/DVD's. His live material is the Next Level of mineable resources for the estate. An entire live box set would be best but that covers soooo much fucking ground. I'd split it into decades/eras/albums and throw in some aftershows. A LOT of aftershows, audio only or otherwise. The official live releases prior to his death were fairly lacking and don't do him justice even though I like some of them.

I'm honestly not sure how to really go about it. You don't want to break up the shows into individual songs I don't think and splice together tours. Maybe throw up on a streaming website but, then again, there's SO MUCH live material up on YT and shit I'm not sure how the estate would go about making those special in order to monetize them. I could live without another live set that includes Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret, U Got the Look, Nothing Compares 2 U, Kiss and Purple Rain again but I get the idea that the estate thinks this shit won't sell without stuff like that.

I don't know. Pearl Jam, Springsteen, the Grateful Dead and a ton of other acts have managed to figure it out somehow and deliver things their fans want. The estate is focusing on the most commercially viable mainstream stuff first - the biggest sellers - but will eventually have to rely on the sort of material that the "Purple Army" and the people who post here really want but haven't seen/heard, which are deep cuts and rare live stuff that's not overly hit laden.

After D&P, what have you got left in terms of mega sellers to mine for money? Batman? What r u gonna do with that?

I have to believe they'll get to it and that, moving forward, they'll delve more into that material once they settle on a distribution and delivery model. They're doing a pretty good job with vault releases so far, IMO, so I'm optimistic.

guess you need 2 models of release, to me one nite alone...live was for us hardcore fans, room for many more limited release live tour shows, I don't think Prince would be able to do a huge live boxset like Springsteen's Live 75-85 that could sell a half million.

But for the casual Prince follower a live document that will show him not drastically (ie medleys) working his hits at a reasonable price would be nice, he was an amazing live performer, a dvd could be an addon as a separate release. Stones have tons of live hits with many overlapping hits performed on them. Unfortunate it would be spliced from different shows and different eras, but could pick best performance of said song, think it worked on Springsteen's 5LP, but needs scaling down.

Was not really addressing all the multiple tour documents that appeal to us Prince orgers.

I'm not a fan of live audio concerts (such as the One Night Alone....Live! boxed set) although I do own it. I bought it from the online store back in the day but it's something that I've listened to probably once and then put it away. For me the excitement is to SEE Prince performing songs, not listening to them. That's like standing outside a sold out show and hearing what's being played inside. Not too exciting for me. I want the visual aspects of the concerts/aftershows, etc. There really isn't any other artist that was as exciting live as Prince and his bands were. Let me see those shows!

The mainstream wants the songs they know, not live versions. I consider myself more than a mainstream Prince fan but I really don't want live performances either, I want studio outtakes. I do think of myself as a mainstream Stevie Wonder fan but like the songs I know from the radio. I wouldn't buy a Stevie Wonder live performance if it was released. I want to be in the audience if I am listening to live shows.

runningbear said:

Mostly the hits live, ferocious early versions

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Nah, they want perormances tru to the album stuff.

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Maybe us hardcore fans would not be too excited, but we have our One Nite Alone Live stuff, an artist of live caliber as Prince should have at least 1 live music release that targets the mainstream, a little heavier on the early well know stuff

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We want more hardcore, perhaps experimental stuff.

Songs not on albums, really live stuff, no electronics stuff (yes I was there in the IndigiO2), new stuff, etc.

But does it mater?

The new new is the old stuff.

The old stuff that is not new anymore is the old old stuff.

Prince has stellar shows from top to bottom, but the hype will have you expecting that eeeeeevery show was Small Club. They were not all Small Club, by a country-ass-fatback-bacon-drippins mile.

That being said, I think they really could go find those shows. Any show Prince almost released or wanted to release sounds like a good place to start. Like the final P&M shows, the Miami b-day show from 1995, I think it'd be a great idea to polish up Dortmund and wherever that Nude show that was broadcast is from. I'd say the rest of the show from the JOTY cassette would be a good choice. The Summit show. The Detroit b-day show. Small Club itself.

In the end, it doesn't have to be either/or and Prince will never, ever, ever compete with the likes of Dua Lipa, Lady Gaga, SZA, Doja Cat, or any of the other people who own the pop landscape he helped build. And why should he? Then we'd get nothing but missteps and releases that don't make sense (like Originals).

LoveGalore said:

Prince has stellar shows from top to bottom, but the hype will have you expecting that eeeeeevery show was Small Club. They were not all Small Club, by a country-ass-fatback-bacon-drippins mile.

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Sure.

But am willing to trade all 'normal' tour-date shows to be released by the Estate for all of the non-normal c.q. aftershows any day.

No it absolutely does not. At best it'd desire the 1983 Purple Rain performance at First Avenue.

runningbear said:

guess you need 2 models of release, to me one nite alone...live was for us hardcore fans, room for many more limited release live tour shows, I don't think Prince would be able to do a huge live boxset like Springsteen's Live 75-85 that could sell a half million.

But for the casual Prince follower a live document that will show him not drastically (ie medleys) working his hits at a reasonable price would be nice, he was an amazing live performer, a dvd could be an addon as a separate release. Stones have tons of live hits with many overlapping hits performed on them. Unfortunate it would be spliced from different shows and different eras, but could pick best performance of said song, think it worked on Springsteen's 5LP, but needs scaling down.

Was not really addressing all the multiple tour documents that appeal to us Prince orgers.

I don't think Springsteen could in 2021 either, and you can still see him live. The only thing that'd sell imho would be a documentary with some live footage. The proposed First Avenue documentary with an option to watch the entire show separately would be the best bet.

I'm not saying Prince's entire career doesn't warrent live shows released, it does, but no one beyond the faithful or aspiring musicians looking for tips and inspiration will care.

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First, I don't care about the Mainstream Desire. I have a feeling a lot of fanbases (especially those of deceased musical geniuses) feels the same way.

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Second, nobody wants a CD anything anymore. We live in a streaming world so whatever it is that's released whether its 2 CDs or 20 - will be streamed by the hardcores any not many others.

*This doesn't discount the novelty and value of a physical product, and I would absolutely eat that shit up if they announced a 2CD live set that wasn't a rerelease. **I am not a member of the Mainstream Desire.

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Third, we absolutely deserve a collection of Blu-Ray Live DVD's of Prince concerts. With the right amount of care, they could actually make some $$ and some new fans along the way.

Collections are IT - imagine an 80's Prince Live Collection with/ 1983 1st Ave, 1986 B'day Show & Livesexy all bundled together. That's not even the best of what came out of that decade and I'm sold!

i'm not reading this thread but i want to say fuck the 1980s and 93-95 npg makes the rev look like peanuts. sorry, but it's true.

lustmealways said:

I doubt it. A Greatest Hits Live would sell a few copies but only big fans would buy anything else. The only way Prince would sell a decent amount of records is if somehow he had another hit song or a biopic made on him. Most people see Prince as a "greatest hits" artist only.

How about Musicology tour DVD release (Detroit performance).

kewlschool said:

kingricefan said:

You would think that the Estate would (or would have) want(ed) to saturate the market with Prince concerts and videos on blurays and DVDs to further expose to the world what an amazing artist Prince was live. There's a reason why his live events would sell out (I'm not talking the Lovesexy tour) and other artists clamored to see him perform (such as the 3121 gigs). There was a reason why us fam members told others that you needed to see him live one time in your lifetime to 'get it'. Most other artists nowadays have their concerts from some tour available to purchase. I just don't get why the Estate hasn't woke up to this yet. Certainly there should be a full concert video available for purchase of his last Piano & Microphone tour with a deluxe edition featuring interviews with previous band members talking about Prince.

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Yeah.

All true.

Who knows what The Estate is up to.

They're capable of organising a tour with a 1 concert video accompanied by a 'band' or something.

I better shut up.

Godforbit them.

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TheKid94 said:

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Second, nobody wants a CD anything anymore.

I do. I much prefer physical media to anything else

lustmealways said:

i'm not reading this thread but i want to say fuck the 1980s and 93-95 npg makes the rev look like peanuts. sorry, but it's true.

I agree with this. Prince's bands got better and better over time and really helped his live performances.

herb4 said:

TheKid94 said:

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Second, nobody wants a CD anything anymore.

I do. I much prefer physical media to anything else

Me too!!

kingricefan said:

herb4 said:

I do. I much prefer physical media to anything else

Me too!!

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TheKid094 is something like 27 years old, right ?

Streamning is their thingy... no ?

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Vannormal said:

kingricefan said:

Me too!!

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TheKid094 is something like 27 years old, right ?

Streamning is their thingy... no ?

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Millenials in the stream,

That is what they are,

kingricefan said:

Vannormal said:

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TheKid094 is something like 27 years old, right ?

Streamning is their thingy... no ?

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Millenials in the stream,

That is what they are,

Until they find out that things on streaming leave to another service or get bought out and they have to repurchase by going to a new or another streaming service.

lustmealways said:

i'm not reading this thread but i want to say fuck the 1980s and 93-95 npg makes the rev look like peanuts. sorry, but it's true.

Well you sound like a peanut if you're comparing the two.

Not sure if you've seen Purple Rain but part of the story line is of the girls in the band wanting to contribute more and Prince staring down at them.

Part of that is true. The Revolution were a band that did their part in following their leader. And they did it brilliantly. But at the end of the day it was the Prince show.

What came in the mid 90's and onwards was Prince embracing musicians thats stood on their own.
It became more about the musicianship. To the point where players like Shelby even took over the show, and not in a good way IMO.

Just based on that, I would take the Revolurtion years any day. Sorry but it's true.

callimnate said:

lustmealways said:

i'm not reading this thread but i want to say fuck the 1980s and 93-95 npg makes the rev look like peanuts. sorry, but it's true.

Just based on that, I would take the Revolurtion years any day. Sorry but it's true.

From a songwriting point I tend to agree but live I think his bands just kept getting better and better in ways that really added to his sound. You could see the first hints of it with the D&P live appearances. You can argue about the rapping and Tony M was not good bringing, say, Michael B into his mix really added new layers to his live sound. Made it more organic.

kewlschool said:

kingricefan said:

Millenials in the stream,

That is what they are,

Until they find out that things on streaming leave to another service or get bought out and they have to repurchase by going to a new or another streaming service.

I actually grew up with physical media being my only option (CD's, cassettes, Vinyl, VHS)

Additionally, I was very reluctant to join streaming but I moved to NYC and it's just more conveinent that way.

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I won't have to repurchase anything because I'm constantly buying used vinyl and cds of my favorite music, so you my friend, have assumed wrongly

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Physical media is lost to the Gen Z's not Millenials.

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