I don't think a SDE is required for every single album, although, I'd love to hear them all remastered with whoever did the remasters of the SOTT release. damn....

I do think Parade, Around the World, and the early albums as SDEs but if they combined years later down the road, I'd be very happy too.

I agree that not all the vault material for SDE's were specifically recorded for inclusion on the eventual album - this is hard for anyone but Prince to really know, but it gives a fuller picture (sondscape?) of where he was during the period from the release of one album to the next. Some songs are sung from a female point of view so we know these songs wouldn't have ever been considered for a Prince album (unless maybe W&L were involved of course), but I guess it's a great way to get hold of these 'lost' songs on a released collection from the time period. Otherwise they might as well just dump all the vault on a download/streaming site (some people might actually prefer that though!). I personally don't mind how the songs get delivered, although there is so much material for a person to 'consume' that the SDE bonus disks seem the best way to do it (in yearly chunks!)

soladeo1 said:

FOR YOU
PRINCE

DIRTY MIND

I really doubt there is material to expand these albums with because Susan Rogers created the "vault" for his excess recordings, and also because by Dirty Mind, he had used up his recording budget, resulting in Dirty Mind's demo being the released product.

There is unreleased stuff from those years (eg. "Dance To The Beat", "Lisa") but not to the extent of Purple Rain and what followed.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

I would be very disappointed if we don’t get SDEs for Dirty Mind and Controversy.

Those are the main two that I want. Also the other 1980s albums. They need to release some of those full completed previously unreleased albums from the 1980s though. As for the 1990s to the present, they keep all that shit.

I think it would be cool to have SDEs for the first two albums too.We all know that there are a ton of outtakes from the debut album....tracks recorded throughout 1977/78.

As for "previously unreleased albums from the 1980s"......I guess you're referring to stuff like Dream Factory? Prince has said that there are unreleased albums from The Time and Vanity 6,as well.

SoulAlive said:

I think it would be cool to have SDEs for the first two albums too.We all know that there are a ton of outtakes from the debut album....tracks recorded throughout 1977/78.

As for "previously unreleased albums from the 1980s"......I guess you're referring to stuff like Dream Factory? Prince has said that there are unreleased albums from The Time and Vanity 6,as well.

Yes indeed. Those alternate takes sound great, at least as good as the For You versions. Debut album is closest P came to Motown sound. I would even contend with the better outtakes subsituted in place of the weaker tracks on For You, it could've been the greatest 'Motown' album of all time. Make it Through the Storm and I Miss U are especially good.

fortuneandserendipity said:

savagedreams said:

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so?

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they were clearly recorded after 1999. and yes, they were recorded befrore purple rain really got rolling, but where else would you expect them to fit in?

Because they were not songs intended for the Purple Rain project, and they weren't even recorded in the same time period. For instance, by 1985 he had already recorded at least 700-800 songs and many of them came after the 'vault' was set up in 1983. The Estate's approach is pick and mix. Don't mean to be pedantic but it's a scattergun approach. Still, I'd rather have those songs officially released somewhere than not at all.

I admit to not having read Duane Tudahl's book, but I did read somewhere that Magnoli the film director decided which 9 songs should go on the album from an assortment of nearly 100 recorded songs. Have no idea if this is really true, maybe someone can confirm or deny?

That's been the story, but there's been no real details about the tapes or what was on them. Prince almost certainly picked out the tracks, most of them go together, and we know he tracked several songs live.

Personally, I'm only really mega-fussed about further SDEs if they're of the '91 to '95 albums, in order to get affordable vinyl reissues of those albums (presuming the previous pattern continues of the expanded versions being accompanied by non-expanded reissues as happened with PR/1999/SOTT).

I could see basically everything from '78 to the early nineties actually *getting* an SDE treatment eventually, though.

RODSERLING said:

Really unnecessary after 1995.

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They have different criteria than your necessities.

SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

Those are the main two that I want. Also the other 1980s albums. They need to release some of those full completed previously unreleased albums from the 1980s though. As for the 1990s to the present, they keep all that shit.

I think it would be cool to have SDEs for the first two albums too.We all know that there are a ton of outtakes from the debut album....tracks recorded throughout 1977/78.

As for "previously unreleased albums from the 1980s"......I guess you're referring to stuff like Dream Factory? Prince has said that there are unreleased albums from The Time and Vanity 6,as well.

Hell naw. I'm referring to the follow up album to "1999" that he said in "Rolling Stone" that he could have released instead of "Around The World In A Day" and people would have been like.... "yeah!"..... but he went an entire direction instead. I definitely want those Vanity 6 and The Time unreleased albums too. They must exist because on "Vibrator", it segues into "G-Spot" and then cuts off so that lets me know it's from an album rather than a stray song. He also said on MTV in 1999, that he had full unreleased albums in the vault, ready to go so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

vainandy said:

so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

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It simply shows how slowly they are going through them tapes.

Because if they alread would have heard that tape, it would be in the process of being released as a record.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

I think it would be cool to have SDEs for the first two albums too.We all know that there are a ton of outtakes from the debut album....tracks recorded throughout 1977/78.

As for "previously unreleased albums from the 1980s"......I guess you're referring to stuff like Dream Factory? Prince has said that there are unreleased albums from The Time and Vanity 6,as well.

Hell naw. I'm referring to the follow up album to "1999" that he said in "Rolling Stone" that he could have released instead of "Around The World In A Day" and people would have been like.... "yeah!"..... but he went an entire direction instead. I definitely want those Vanity 6 and The Time unreleased albums too. They must exist because on "Vibrator", it segues into "G-Spot" and then cuts off so that lets me know it's from an album rather than a stray song. He also said on MTV in 1999, that he had full unreleased albums in the vault, ready to go so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

If there really is an unreleased,follow-up album to '1999',I'd love to hear it too.

and yeah,"Vibrator' segues into "G-Spot" but cuts off abrupty before the vocals (presumably by Vanity) begin.I want to hea that unreleased Vanity 6 album! I bet that it's much more outrageous and nastier than the A6 album

Some albums might not have the material for a super deluxe, some might not have enough for a deluxe. All the popular albums are getting the Super Deluxe (or deluxe) if the material exsists. Dirtymind through Gold.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

I think it would be cool to have SDEs for the first two albums too.We all know that there are a ton of outtakes from the debut album....tracks recorded throughout 1977/78.

As for "previously unreleased albums from the 1980s"......I guess you're referring to stuff like Dream Factory? Prince has said that there are unreleased albums from The Time and Vanity 6,as well.

Hell naw. I'm referring to the follow up album to "1999" that he said in "Rolling Stone" that he could have released instead of "Around The World In A Day" and people would have been like.... "yeah!"..... but he went an entire direction instead. I definitely want those Vanity 6 and The Time unreleased albums too. They must exist because on "Vibrator", it segues into "G-Spot" and then cuts off so that lets me know it's from an album rather than a stray song. He also said on MTV in 1999, that he had full unreleased albums in the vault, ready to go so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

VainAndy the NPG have said that there are complete albums with videos in the vault. (I know that's not the time period you care for, but that's some insight. All though, I have read that for every Prince and the Revolution album released one went into the vault (cant confirm that.).

udo said:

RODSERLING said:

Really unnecessary after 1995.

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They have different criteria than your necessities.

I think what they mean is that the NPG era allowed Prince to release whatever he wanted. Pre-1995 had gems stuffed in the vault.

SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

Hell naw. I'm referring to the follow up album to "1999" that he said in "Rolling Stone" that he could have released instead of "Around The World In A Day" and people would have been like.... "yeah!"..... but he went an entire direction instead. I definitely want those Vanity 6 and The Time unreleased albums too. They must exist because on "Vibrator", it segues into "G-Spot" and then cuts off so that lets me know it's from an album rather than a stray song. He also said on MTV in 1999, that he had full unreleased albums in the vault, ready to go so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

If there really is an unreleased,follow-up album to '1999',I'd love to hear it too.

and yeah,"Vibrator' segues into "G-Spot" but cuts off abrupty before the vocals (presumably by Vanity) begin.I want to hea that unreleased Vanity 6 album! I bet that it's much more outrageous and nastier than the A6 album

And on the "Sign O The Times" deluxe, some of those songs for Bonnie Raitt were originally intended for The Hookers. I doubt he had any female record them yet, but I'd much rather hear his own 1981 version of the songs with his vocals than when he rerecorded them years later as a guide for Bonnie Raitt to sing over because he was much more futuristic new wavish back then as opposed to the bluesy type feel he made for Bonnie later.

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As for another Vanity 6 album, of the three songs we know about "Vibrator", "G Spot", and "Sex Shooter", that is, if they were all intended to be on the same album, that lets you know right there that the album was going to be much more wild and raunchy than the Apollonia 6 album. Vanity is gone so no one can ask her, but I have heard Brenda give a few interviews. I wish someone would ask her if Prince ever asked her to come in and do some vocals on some songs and if so, how many can she remember. That would at least give us a hint.

kewlschool said:

vainandy said:

Hell naw. I'm referring to the follow up album to "1999" that he said in "Rolling Stone" that he could have released instead of "Around The World In A Day" and people would have been like.... "yeah!"..... but he went an entire direction instead. I definitely want those Vanity 6 and The Time unreleased albums too. They must exist because on "Vibrator", it segues into "G-Spot" and then cuts off so that lets me know it's from an album rather than a stray song. He also said on MTV in 1999, that he had full unreleased albums in the vault, ready to go so I don't know why they are holding back on them (unless he was lying).

VainAndy the NPG have said that there are complete albums with videos in the vault. (I know that's not the time period you care for, but that's some insight. All though, I have read that for every Prince and the Revolution album released one went into the vault (cant confirm that.).

I just hope they are not referring to "Crystal Ball" or "Dream Factory" because after "Sign O The Times" deluxe, we basically have those albums now. Maybe not sequenced in the order he intended them but to release those now would feel like a duplication of something we already have.

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I would absolutely love, love.....LOVE to have a ton of tracks with the same feel of songs like "Heaven" and "Traffic Jam". And an actual full fledged album with a theme and flow from to track to track in that type of style would be like an orgasm. It would feel like a continuation of "1999".

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

If there really is an unreleased,follow-up album to '1999',I'd love to hear it too.

and yeah,"Vibrator' segues into "G-Spot" but cuts off abrupty before the vocals (presumably by Vanity) begin.I want to hea that unreleased Vanity 6 album! I bet that it's much more outrageous and nastier than the A6 album

And on the "Sign O The Times" deluxe, some of those songs for Bonnie Raitt were originally intended for The Hookers. I doubt he had any female record them yet, but I'd much rather hear his own 1981 version of the songs with his vocals than when he rerecorded them years later as a guide for Bonnie Raitt to sing over because he was much more futuristic new wavish back then as opposed to the bluesy type feel he made for Bonnie later.

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As for another Vanity 6 album, of the three songs we know about "Vibrator", "G Spot", and "Sex Shooter", that is, if they were all intended to be on the same album, that lets you know right there that the album was going to be much more wild and raunchy than the Apollonia 6 album. Vanity is gone so no one can ask her, but I have heard Brenda give a few interviews. I wish someone would ask her if Prince ever asked her to come in and do some vocals on some songs and if so, how many can she remember. That would at least give us a hint.

yeah,I'd like to know more about this second V6 album.I even came up with a title for it: 'In Search Of The G-Spot' I imagine that it would be a concept album with those three songs taking up Side One.

udo said:

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

If there really is an unreleased,follow-up album to '1999',I'd love to hear it too.

and yeah,"Vibrator' segues into "G-Spot" but cuts off abrupty before the vocals (presumably by Vanity) begin.I want to hea that unreleased Vanity 6 album! I bet that it's much more outrageous and nastier than the A6 album

And on the "Sign O The Times" deluxe, some of those songs for Bonnie Raitt were originally intended for The Hookers. I doubt he had any female record them yet, but I'd much rather hear his own 1981 version of the songs with his vocals than when he rerecorded them years later as a guide for Bonnie Raitt to sing over because he was much more futuristic new wavish back then as opposed to the bluesy type feel he made for Bonnie later.

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As for another Vanity 6 album, of the three songs we know about "Vibrator", "G Spot", and "Sex Shooter", that is, if they were all intended to be on the same album, that lets you know right there that the album was going to be much more wild and raunchy than the Apollonia 6 album. Vanity is gone so no one can ask her, but I have heard Brenda give a few interviews. I wish someone would ask her if Prince ever asked her to come in and do some vocals on some songs and if so, how many can she remember. That would at least give us a hint.

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Here are some podcast i have still to listen to w Brenda Bennett :

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https://www.mixcloud.com/CraicRadio/brenda-bennett-music-makers-interview-may-3-2018/

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https://www.owltail.com/people/pUP0D-brenda-bennett/appearances

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And an interveiw with Schkopi i still have to read. (My list of must reads is still long. lol)

https://www.schkopi.com/index.php/2014/04/artistes-associes/interviews-brenda-bennett-vanity-apollonia-6-femme-cigarette-parle/

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grantevans said:

grantevans said:

RODSERLING said:

jfenster said:

jfenster said:

No, of course they won't. Just the main 80s and 90s ones that stand a chance at turning a profit.

RODSERLING said:

udo said:

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They have different criteria than your necessities.

Who is "they"?

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The ones that decide, bason on no knowledge, yet claiming 'expert' status based on 'experience'.