TheKid94 said:

nayroo2002 said:

Aha.

So this is a "Prince intended it that way, but we're going to present it this way" deal.

Okay.

Still, noone put a tracklist up in THIS THREAD to initiate/continue this "discussion".

Not to be an ass - but if you really wanted the tracklist in the thread how about you google it yourself and post it?

Not my thread.

TrevorAyer said:

i feel ANY Listening experience is ruined when you have to flip sides every 3 songs. i will never get the appeal of vinyl

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

this album has a LOT of filler. but im glad its on vinyl. kind of cool.

id have bought it on LP if it was released like that in 96.

id love to know how he saw this album in later years if anyone knows if he was asked about it at all.

i take the 60 min thing with a pinch of salt. he knew 3 discs would boost sales so wanted to make sure each disc was packed out. thats all it was. and michael bland has said as much on record.

Prince was going to get his 3-disc album, WB be damned!

I love vinyl but this set is pointless on vinyl imo. Too many sides and it intrupts the flow of the album. But honestly can't remember when I listened to it straight through on CD.

I agree with whoever said we all make our own playlists out of the set anyway. I have had my own Emancipation playlist for years and that one works for me

If it's the vinyl version, then i really like disc four.

But, noone listed the sequence, so noone knows what those songs are or what the hell i'm on about.

nayroo2002 said:

I cannot get my head around the idea that by flipping a record, you're somehow 'interrupting the flow' of an album.... that just does not make sense to me.

If anything, listening on vinyl intensifies the listening experience, because each sequence of songs is more clearly defined. And all this 'oh, it's too hard to get up and change a record every few songs'. As Eddie Murphy would say, 'get the f out my face with that bullshit!'

Seriously, people, what are you smoking?

The vinyl sounds 10 times better than the original CDs... it is currently the only way I know of to listen the music of Emancipation, in a setting where the music is not damaged by brickwalling.

And all the nonsense of 'it's not what Prince intended?' Better burn/delete all those bootlegs Prince never intended for you to hear, then. The concept is loose, at best.

Emancipation on vinyl is a true ride! It sounds great, and the sides divide up the tracks in a way that makes you appreciate the songs all the more.

Like someone said, listen to it how you want, but don't diss on the vinyl. At the very least, for the first time in its history, the album SOUNDS great.

savagedreams said:

i feel ANY Listening experience is ruined when you have to flip sides every 3 songs. i will never get the appeal of vinyl

Sound.

Artwork.

You don't have to be online to listen to it.

olb99 said:

I'm now streaming all my music from my personal server, but I still like the idea of listening to whole CDs at a time. Listening to 3 songs at a time would be kind of weird, I guess. Especially since this comes from a technical limitation and not from how Prince meant the album to be listened to.

This actually begs the question: are sides interruptions a part of the artistic statement?

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The very concept of "sides" comes from a technical limitation indeed, but artists had to take the LP (then CD) limitations into account when conceiving their albums. The limitation was part of the artistic process and the way you'd organize the record around the "pause" you'd choose to have between one side and the next was a very deliberate structural decision, that had an impact on the overall "mood" of a record.

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On the other hand, unless you put a 30 seconds silence at the end of side 1's last song to simulate changing sides, this artistic consideration is entirely lost with the next format.

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I "know" there's a change of sides between Venus De Milo and Mountains, and even if I can't hear the "pause" anymore, it's still there in my head to this day, because that's how I experienced the record (on cassette) for years before I finally got it on CD. Had I been born 20 years later, I'd only have know Parade as a CD or files, and I wouldn't even have a notion of such a break taking place. Hell, had I been born 20 years later, I'd only know Emancipation as an uninterrupted 3 hours record, instead of still hearing the pause between each CD in my head when I listen to my files.

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So IDK.

databank said:

herb4 said:

savagedreams said:

i feel ANY Listening experience is ruined when you have to flip sides every 3 songs. i will never get the appeal of vinyl

Sound.

Artwork.

You don't have to be online to listen to it.

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i am not online to listen to any music. there are other formats besides vinyl. and the sound , lol.... i wont even get into that asinine arguement.

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Discie said:

What are your thoughts on the ”Emancipation” reissue vinyl box?

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Impractical although vinyl could yield interesting sound qualities over CD.

databank said:

olb99 said:

I'm now streaming all my music from my personal server, but I still like the idea of listening to whole CDs at a time. Listening to 3 songs at a time would be kind of weird, I guess. Especially since this comes from a technical limitation and not from how Prince meant the album to be listened to.

This actually begs the question: are sides interruptions a part of the artistic statement?

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The very concept of "sides" comes from a technical limitation indeed, but artists had to take the LP (then CD) limitations into account when conceiving their albums. The limitation was part of the artistic process and the way you'd organize the record around the "pause" you'd choose to have between one side and the next was a very deliberate structural decision, that had an impact on the overall "mood" of a record.

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On the other hand, unless you put a 30 seconds silence at the end of side 1's last song to simulate changing sides, this artistic consideration is entirely lost with the next format.

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I "know" there's a change of sides between Venus De Milo and Mountains, and even if I can't hear the "pause" anymore, it's still there in my head to this day, because that's how I experienced the record (on cassette) for years before I finally got it on CD. Had I been born 20 years later, I'd only have know Parade as a CD or files, and I wouldn't even have a notion of such a break taking place. Hell, had I been born 20 years later, I'd only know Emancipation as an uninterrupted 3 hours record, instead of still hearing the pause between each CD in my head when I listen to my files.

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So IDK.

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Most albums are conceived with one "main medium" in mind, though, aren't they? e.g. "Parade" was still sequenced with vinyls/LPs being the main medium of the day (although CDs had existed for years at that point), but "Love Symbol" was clearly sequenced with CD as the main medium of the day (although still released on LP as well). I mean, it's pretty safe to say Prince never sequenced an album with 8-tracks in mind.

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Anyway, that concept of technical limitation influencing the way an album is sequenced is interesting, but it's definitely not the most important aspect of an album for me. If I feel like listening to a couple of songs from an album, I will do it. I'm not a purist in that sense.

savagedreams said:

herb4 said:

Sound.

Artwork.

You don't have to be online to listen to it.

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i am not online to listen to any music. there are other formats besides vinyl. and the sound , lol.... i wont even get into that asinine arguement.

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OK. I'm not to trying to argue anything or start any shit here whatsoever. Just answering your question and pointing out why someone might enjoy a vinyl release. I'm not a collector, an audiophile or anything like that, am not buying this, and don't give a shit either way how anyone consumes the music they like.

So maybe settle down a little bit is what I'm saying here.

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Emancipation is the only Prince album I can think of where Every Single Fan has their own cut/version of it and they're ALL different. I don't think the album deserves all the shit it catches and is more a victim of its own ambition, the weird circumstances of what happened to Amir and its rather wide overall berth more than anything. There are some fantastic tracks on it and there's truly something there for everyone on it.

I really dug being able to weed out 3cd's worth of music (This one and Crystal Ball) to make a record I peronsally dug instead of settling for the 3 or 4 songs I could deal with on certain other releases during this decade (Come, NPS, Rave, The Vault).

My main beef is how we downplay how great this album is. The thing is excellent.

savagedreams said:

herb4 said:

Sound.

Artwork.

You don't have to be online to listen to it.

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i am not online to listen to any music. there are other formats besides vinyl. and the sound , lol.... i wont even get into that asinine arguement.

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We're talking about music, an AUDIO medium, and sound quality is an asinine argument to you?

How odd.

And yes, the vinyl is the only version of the album that is not brickwalled to hell and back, so, there's that.

Just depends if you want your music to sound good or to sound like shit.

Not saying vinyl pressings are always better than CD pressings, but in this case (and in the vast majority of cases with Prince albums, actually) the vinyl is definitely the best sounding version of the album..... by many many miles.

Also, someone else mentioned that everyone has their edited version of the album. I do not. I have the album,on vinyl and digitally (ripped in lossless from vinyl), and I listen to it - the whole thing - when I want to hear it. It's a good album.

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There is no big difference in sound quailty between vinyl and cd. Its a myth. I play both and thats the truth. You cannot make a songs lyrics better with a slight improvement in sound. Emancipation suffers from not being able to play it continuely in my view on vinyl. As time goes on, Emancipation is the album I play the least from his discography. There is too much filler on each cd. I find it hard work to get through either on vinyl or cd. I keep trying though.

antonb said:

There is no big difference in sound quailty between vinyl and cd. Its a myth.

It depends on the mastering, many original pressings beat out the CD versions from especially the 20th century because of digital transfering technology being in its infancy and the vinyl using closer gen stampers

antonb said:

There is no big difference in sound quailty between vinyl and cd. Its a myth. I play both and thats the truth. You cannot make a songs lyrics better with a slight improvement in sound. Emancipation suffers from not being able to play it continuely in my view on vinyl. As time goes on, Emancipation is the album I play the least from his discography. There is too much filler on each cd. I find it hard work to get through either on vinyl or cd. I keep trying though.

Whether you like the music on the album or not is a totally different thing and your own choice, of course, but to say there is no difference between the vinyl version and the CD version is just plain nonsense, I'm afraid, and untrue.

antonb said:

RODSERLING said:

antonb said:

There is no big difference in sound quailty between vinyl and cd. Its a myth. I play both and thats the truth. You cannot make a songs lyrics better with a slight improvement in sound. Emancipation suffers from not being able to play it continuely in my view on vinyl. As time goes on, Emancipation is the album I play the least from his discography. There is too much filler on each cd. I find it hard work to get through either on vinyl or cd. I keep trying though.

If you have the same output sound System for your CDs than for your vinyls, I can confirm there is no difference, if difference at all.

You have just demosntrated unequivocally, that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Okay, I could search for the facepalm emoji, but life's too short.

I don't know what other words to use to explain it to you... fine, there's no difference between a massively brickwalled CD mastering and a non-brickwalled vinyl mastering.

Okay? That work for everyone?

No wonder the record companies get away with this shit.

My thing is that there is some magical big difference. There is NOT. Its A fact And a proven fact. Look it up. Its the vinyl lovers that make it up thats there a big difference. I know I have both and 3 different systems. I wish there was A big difference for the price you have to pay for vinyl. I do all my vinyl buying in carboots and 2nd hand shops now. I very rarely buy new anymore because of the prices.

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