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Thanks for posting this. Hopefully they reached out to Dez for some guitar info/stories.

You can order it now at this link; just use the drop-down menu to select July 21. Says it will be delivered June 7 (yay!) and shipping is included.

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laytonian said:

You can order it now at this link; just use the drop-down menu to select July 21. Says it will be delivered June 7 (yay!) and shipping is included.

https://www.magazinesdire...ssue.thtml

Makes sense. The date on the cover of a magainze is typically the expiration date, letting retailers know when it should be removed from the shelf, rather than the release date... so a July issue should be available in early June.

thebanishedone said:

What secrets did he have? His guitar solos were mix of pentatonic combined with chromatic and dorian mode and lidian and mixolidian modes as well.even phrigian(West) he loved distortion.his choice of effects was Boss ,with a novelty effects here and there.In the 80's he used to mix guitar lower in the mix but that changed as the 90's kicked in and his guitar got louder. When he played fast runs he played 3 notes per string.On his first 1979-1980 tour he played Gibson les Paul guitars.from 1980 his main axxe was hohner copy of telecaster along with his cloud guitars.by the year 2000 he added whammy bar and a floyd rose system.his favourite guitar by 2009 was his blue strat that he called Sonny. And after 2012 he made a transition to those cheap ass Vox guitars. See all the secrets revealed

jfenster said:

thebanishedone said:

What secrets did he have? His guitar solos were mix of pentatonic combined with chromatic and dorian mode and lidian and mixolidian modes as well.even phrigian(West) he loved distortion.his choice of effects was Boss ,with a novelty effects here and there.In the 80's he used to mix guitar lower in the mix but that changed as the 90's kicked in and his guitar got louder. When he played fast runs he played 3 notes per string.On his first 1979-1980 tour he played Gibson les Paul guitars.from 1980 his main axxe was hohner copy of telecaster along with his cloud guitars.by the year 2000 he added whammy bar and a floyd rose system.his favourite guitar by 2009 was his blue strat that he called Sonny. And after 2012 he made a transition to those cheap ass Vox guitars. See all the secrets revealed

Do u know if he played that guitar from bambi performance on Fallon on the tour?

thebanishedone said:

What secrets did he have? His guitar solos were mix of pentatonic combined with chromatic and dorian mode and lidian and mixolidian modes as well.even phrigian(West) he loved distortion.his choice of effects was Boss ,with a novelty effects here and there.In the 80's he used to mix guitar lower in the mix but that changed as the 90's kicked in and his guitar got louder. When he played fast runs he played 3 notes per string.On his first 1979-1980 tour he played Gibson les Paul guitars.from 1980 his main axxe was hohner copy of telecaster along with his cloud guitars.by the year 2000 he added whammy bar and a floyd rose system.his favourite guitar by 2009 was his blue strat that he called Sonny. And after 2012 he made a transition to those cheap ass Vox guitars. See all the secrets revealed

What did you think of the sound on the Vox guitars?

leecaldon said:

thebanishedone said:

thebanishedone said:

What secrets did he have? His guitar solos were mix of pentatonic combined with chromatic and dorian mode and lidian and mixolidian modes as well.even phrigian(West) he loved distortion.his choice of effects was Boss ,with a novelty effects here and there.In the 80's he used to mix guitar lower in the mix but that changed as the 90's kicked in and his guitar got louder. When he played fast runs he played 3 notes per string.On his first 1979-1980 tour he played Gibson les Paul guitars.from 1980 his main axxe was hohner copy of telecaster along with his cloud guitars.by the year 2000 he added whammy bar and a floyd rose system.his favourite guitar by 2009 was his blue strat that he called Sonny. And after 2012 he made a transition to those cheap ass Vox guitars. See all the secrets revealed

Yes, but not everyone is trawling through 1999 live shows and examining and comparing the guitar solos from show to show. You should write your own article! I'd read it.

jaawwnn said:

thebanishedone said:

jaawwnn said:

Yes, but not everyone is trawling through 1999 live shows and examining and comparing the guitar solos from show to show. You should write your own article! I'd read it.

thank u very much maybe i will do.

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I'm also very interested in your article.

Do it !

And thank you for the very nice info already.

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Vannormal said:

There was nothing wrong with his vox guitars. They sounded just as dirty as his symbol guitar did in the mid 90s which was a great tone

Let me guess, they will mention his clean technique?

thebanishedone said:

What secrets did he have? His guitar solos were mix of pentatonic combined with chromatic and dorian mode and lidian and mixolidian modes as well.even phrigian(West) he loved distortion.his choice of effects was Boss ,with a novelty effects here and there.In the 80's he used to mix guitar lower in the mix but that changed as the 90's kicked in and his guitar got louder. When he played fast runs he played 3 notes per string.On his first 1979-1980 tour he played Gibson les Paul guitars.from 1980 his main axxe was hohner copy of telecaster along with his cloud guitars.by the year 2000 he added whammy bar and a floyd rose system.his favourite guitar by 2009 was his blue strat that he called Sonny. And after 2012 he made a transition to those cheap ass Vox guitars. See all the secrets revealed

Yeah, but what were his exact pedal dial settings? His exact EQ? His mode of mixing in the reverb or delay? did he ever record clean and then effect it in post? Or Did he always record it baked in?

ufoclub said:

From looking at the '84 "birthday rehearsal" video and live clips from the "P.R" era, it looks like P was using an A/B switch (for his Mesa Boogie amps) to switch from clean to dirty. He probably used a BOSS OD or DS-1 for the leads as a solo booster.

I appreciate these observations from David Rakowski, a classical composer upholding the noble 'music without borders' ethos - and 2 time Pulitzer Prize of Music finalist.

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Swinging Modern Sounds #7...Rumpus.net

"David Rakowski: Classical music is my day thang, and Prince is my largest non-classical collection of physical CDs and live performance bootlegs. This performance was actually new to me, so I had to watch the Holiday Inn band of the video run it a few times to put Prince in context.

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Obviously, I’ve known the song for years and years, and listening again I noticed some of the genius of its construction. The verses in minor with the terribly constricted melody and bass (I thought “incomplete 25 or 6 to 4” when it started) opens up marvelously in the bridge, where the mode also changes from minor to major. Then the bass and especially the melody range more freely, and there is a feeling of, for lack of a less icky word, optimism. The stark change back to minor when the verse returns is such a striking change of harmonic color that my face gets all pouty every time it happens. Which is, in this performance, twice.

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I confirm everything that’s been said about Mr. Nelson’s solo by others, so I won’t state any of it again. How he manages such a soul-searing solo limiting himself pretty much to the notes of the A Dorian scale is beyond analysis. I would add that my limited purview caused me to think Terry Kath on some of the high licks, both the licks themselves and the timbre. Speaking of “25 or 6 to 4.”

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Given the built-in affect of the mode change between the verses and the bridge, I am just a bit cosmically disappointed that the solo happens only under endless iterations of the verse. I want to hear what Prince would have done with the mode change."

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And I, too, wish the band had risen to Prince’s level."

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He wasn't the only one cosmically disappointed that Prince didn't come in earlier... but wasn't the original plan.

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The Day Prince’s Guitar...times.com)

"When we get to the middle solo, where Prince is supposed to do it, Jeff Lynne’s guitar player just starts playing the solo. Note for note, like Clapton. And Prince just stops and lets him do it and plays the rhythm, strums along. And we get to the big end solo, and Prince again steps forward to go into the solo, and this guy starts playing that solo too! Prince doesn’t say anything, just starts strumming, plays a few leads here and there, but for the most part, nothing memorable....

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"GALLEN: They finish, and I go up to Jeff and Tom, and I sort of huddle up with these guys, and I’m like: “This cannot be happening. I don’t even know if we’re going to get another rehearsal with him. [Prince]. But this guy cannot be playing the solos throughout the song.” So I talk to Prince about it, I sort of pull him aside and had a private conversation with him, and he was like: “Look, let this guy do what he does, and I’ll just step in at the end. For the end solo, forget the middle solo.” And he goes, “Don’t worry about it.” And then he leaves. They never rehearsed it, really. Never really showed us what he was going to do, and he left, basically telling me, the producer of the show, not to worry. And the rest is history. It became one of the most satisfying musical moments in my history of watching and producing live music."

[Edited 5/31/21 20:34pm]

thebanishedone said:

I like the vibe that Prince brought to While My Guitar but i really think it's far from his best solo.Joy In Repetition Ona ,Just My Imagination are much more iconic.i think it is praised so much cause lots of people didn't know Prince could play like that.

Thanks but the subject of the thread is Prince's guitar secrets. I doubt the article will be demystifying how Prince managed to bring down the house with a short solo using the A dorian scale. But it will be good if the article reveals the secrets to solos like LRC Montreux, Joy in Repetition, etc.

Hamad said:

Count me in too, banishedone. I would definitely be interested in your insight

You might enjoy some of the Wings of Pegasus insights.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlOJ3TsCdw

MoodyBlumes said:

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

You might enjoy some of the Wings of Pegasus insights.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlOJ3TsCdw

It's strange u take Wing of P guy cause you were mad at me but this guys comments were much more harsh than mine.He analyzed a few Prince videos and he said that Prince played good for a pop star but his vibrato was lacking and he mentioned Gary Moore as example of a much better guitar player.so i don't know if you seen those videos.and i don't agree with Wing i think he was too harsh on Prince.

Wings was butt hurt that Prince blew everyone off the stage in the HOF performance, and he speaks on that in the video I linked. He did pick himself off the floor and actually started listening to Prince's playing -- every subsequent video has been an excellent detailed analysis. Nothing negative about these videos -- unless you consider this negative:

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"Now, being able to look through so much more of his material, being able to see the live performances, you can really start to appreciate the level that Prince was at, and he was at the top level.'"

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"When you're talking about the top artist of all time, it's really difficult to look anywhere other than Prince."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlOJ3TsCdw (Prince playing the blues)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9bZWuL7s2o (Superbowl performance)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBFid4Z38Lc (Motherless Child)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DckAdii0qE (rare, weird gig)

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You consider Prince to be overrated and below average, so I have asked why you are on this forum instead of posting somewhere more to your taste.

And as for the HOF performance, which now has 100+ million views on You Tube, I doubt most would have listened to it twice if Prince hadn't put in his 2 cents. And that is what he did... a small ending solo using only the notes on the A dorian scale. As David Radkowski noted, beyond analysis. And my guess is that George Harrison would have been pretty happy that his music got the respect it deserved. I know I don't want to be listening to milquetoast Mozart when I go to a concert.

MoodyBlumes said:

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Wings was butt hurt that Prince blew everyone off the stage in the HOF performance, and he speaks on that in the video I linked. He did pick himself off the floor and actually started listening to Prince's playing -- every subsequent video has been an excellent detailed analysis. Nothing negative about these videos -- unless you consider this negative:

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"Now, being able to look through so much more of his material, being able to see the live performances, you can really start to appreciate the level that Prince was at, and he was at the top level.'"

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"When you're talking about the top artist of all time, it's really difficult to look anywhere other than Prince."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdlOJ3TsCdw (Prince playing the blues)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9bZWuL7s2o (Superbowl performance)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBFid4Z38Lc (Motherless Child)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DckAdii0qE (rare, weird gig)

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You consider Prince to be overrated and below average, so I have asked why you are on this forum instead of posting somewhere more to your taste.

You didn't pay attantion.On Superbowl press conference video he said that Prince can have a good vibrato when he wants.and in most of his videos he is more impressed with Prince command of the band and he often states how Prince plays good for a pop star. And mentions Gary Moore as a great guitar player.I don't think Gary Moore is better than Prince. You know how many time i have heard some1 say Prince don't know how to play guitar.Way too many.And i never hear somebody saying that Clapton can't play even though i find Prince to be a much better guitar player than Eric. What is bellow average regarding Prince is that he isn't subtle guitar player.His expression on the instrument is more about projecting raw emotion than finesse in a pute techniqual sense. For example Prince's vibrato is very nervous and too fast.it's not how we are supposed to play vibrato.So i think i explained you what i meant.But all those thing don't bother me he is still very high on my list.i love his emotional bends and his expressive nature,but i do understamd criticsm from a pure technical standpoint .But Bruce Springsteen is also very unortodox but i love how he vails on Streets Of Fire,Prove It All Night with the 78 intro.i hope you understand me a bit better now.for me Prince is a better and more interesting guitar player than Gary Moore and Clapton.i am sure Wings of Pegasus would disagree with me.

You are a joke... and didn't listen to the videos. Good bye.

MoodyBlumes said: