SOTT did some shakey numbers then. Yikes. I hope that doesn't influence the next releases.

lavendardrummachine said:

SOTT did some shakey numbers then. Yikes. I hope that doesn't influence the next releases.

Are those numbers shakey for a pricey 8-disc set? How does it compares with the 1999 deluxe?

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

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SOTT deluxe did well i think...

knowing that it was considered/reeived pretty expensive by many (some?).

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Why look at US only?

World sales show the picture of the Estate running a loss or not...

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

Purple Rain is still only certified 13x Platinum by the RIAA. Last certification was in 1996.

Why isn't WB or the Prince Estate pressing for recertification? It is surely at least 16x Platinum in USA by now if not more. The MJ estate always has their certiication constant. BAD was certified 10x Platinum a few years back.

udo said:

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

Purple Rain is still only certified 13x Platinum by the RIAA. Last certification was in 1996.

Why isn't WB or the Prince Estate pressing for recertification? It is surely at least 16x Platinum in USA by now if not more. The MJ estate always has their certiication constant. BAD was certified 10x Platinum a few years back.

They really need to refresh his certifications. For his singles too...many of them would receive digital gold/platinum certifications, some of which had none at all in the days of physical sales (like 1999, LRC, Raspberry Beret, etc etc etc). You can see some of the sales totals from after his passing here: https://hiphopdx.com/news...once-drake

And that doesn't include any streaming totals, which also count towards certification now too.

Receiving half a dozen or more certifications at once for the catalog would be some nice press for the estate, I would think. It would also bump him up the all-time list of most certified artists, which would also be a good look for the estate going forward.

Vannormal said:

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

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SOTT deluxe did well i think...

knowing that it was considered/reeived pretty expensive by many (some?).

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And Prince is one of the most (If not the most) selling artists in physical album sales.

leecaldon said:

lavendardrummachine said:

SOTT did some shakey numbers then. Yikes. I hope that doesn't influence the next releases.

Are those numbers shakey for a pricey 8-disc set? How does it compares with the 1999 deluxe?

Consideing it looks like neither set did as well as the more popular one, and the 1999 set was already a year old, I would just hope it doesn't influence how they approach the next release.

renfield said:

feeluupp said:

Purple Rain is still only certified 13x Platinum by the RIAA. Last certification was in 1996.

Why isn't WB or the Prince Estate pressing for recertification? It is surely at least 16x Platinum in USA by now if not more. The MJ estate always has their certiication constant. BAD was certified 10x Platinum a few years back.

They really need to refresh his certifications. For his singles too...many of them would receive digital gold/platinum certifications, some of which had none at all in the days of physical sales (like 1999, LRC, Raspberry Beret, etc etc etc). You can see some of the sales totals from after his passing here: https://hiphopdx.com/news...once-drake

And that doesn't include any streaming totals, which also count towards certification now too.

Receiving half a dozen or more certifications at once for the catalog would be some nice press for the estate, I would think. It would also bump him up the all-time list of most certified artists, which would also be a good look for the estate going forward.

MJ's estate is always on top of this, BAD was certified 10x platinum in USA. Purple Rain would be on the Top 10 best sellings albums of all time in USA, and if there was a real audit, I wouldn't be surprised if Purple Rain hit the 20 million mark in USA, making it as the Top 7 biggest selling album of all time in USA.

If 1996 the last certification was 13 million in USA, imagine by now, with all the physical, digital sales, vinyl sales, deluxe editions, boost in sales due to his death, etc... It's just absurd they haven't re-certified Purple Rain by now.

leecaldon said:

RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said:

Are those numbers shakey for a pricey 8-disc set? How does it compares with the 1999 deluxe?

1999 deluxe sold about 70.000 copies at the time of the release of SOTT. But not the same price... To be fair, those 51k copies sold of SOTT are from every edition existing. SOTT regular edition already sold about 5.000 copies before the SDE release. If you want to know the worldwide sales, for an album like 1999 you can double up the US figure to have a worlwide estimation. Outside the US, the response to the SOTT SDE was far more favorable than for 1999. So I think you can multiply the US numbers by 2.25 to have a worldwide figure.

I don't see how you're reading that, you're not providing real info just suggesting sales figures you wish existed or that aren't relevant to the observation I'm making.

The sales figures for this year are pretty clear, and the arguments these are comprehensive figures that include a bigger umrella are even less flattering. The last two box sets are doing better compared to the box set we all think was superior and should be the model going forward. I fear that won't be the case.

I don't know for sure that we can read into it, but if we can, that's a bummer for what they pick next and their approach.

renfield said:

lavendardrummachine said:

RODSERLING said:

leecaldon said: 1999 deluxe sold about 70.000 copies at the time of the release of SOTT. But not the same price... To be fair, those 51k copies sold of SOTT are from every edition existing. SOTT regular edition already sold about 5.000 copies before the SDE release. If you want to know the worldwide sales, for an album like 1999 you can double up the US figure to have a worlwide estimation. Outside the US, the response to the SOTT SDE was far more favorable than for 1999. So I think you can multiply the US numbers by 2.25 to have a worldwide figure.

I don't see how you're reading that, you're not providing real info just suggesting sales figures you wish existed or that aren't relevant to the observation I'm making.

The sales figures for this year are pretty clear, and the arguments these are comprehensive figures that include a bigger umrella are even less flattering. The last two box sets are doing better compared to the box set we all think was superior and should be the model going forward. I fear that won't be the case.

I don't know for sure that we can read into it, but if we can, that's a bummer for what they pick next and their approach.

What is the box set 'we all think was superior'?

lavendardrummachine said:

feeluupp said:

Rimshottbob said:

What is the box set 'we all think was superior'?

I think it's pretty well accepted that SOTT has had the best execution of the 3, and fans want to see the same or better going forward.

lavendardrummachine said:

Rimshottbob said:

What is the box set 'we all think was superior'?

I think it's pretty well accepted that SOTT has had the best execution of the 3, and fans want to see the same or better going forward.

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The SOTT has similar flaws as the other two sets.

No bad mastering.

Not too much censorship.

But we have the book.

We have the song selection.

We have the version(s) chosen.

We see clear lack of understanding of the concept of SOTT.

We see clear lack of understanding of the concept of music.

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

#161 Sign O The Times (51.000)? YOU CHEAP BASTARDS. I bought two. I bet some of you spend $150 bucks a month on cigarettes or fast food but whine about a Super Deluxe set of some of the best music ever recorded.

udo said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I think it's pretty well accepted that SOTT has had the best execution of the 3, and fans want to see the same or better going forward.

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The SOTT has similar flaws as the other two sets.

No bad mastering.

Not too much censorship.

But we have the book.

We have the song selection.

We have the version(s) chosen.

We see clear lack of understanding of the concept of SOTT.

We see clear lack of understanding of the concept of music.

Okay, well there's always one. I didn't mean nobody had gripes or an unfullfiled wish list...but my point is the general consensus has been that SOTT is the most realized and succesful of the 3 so far, and people were generally happy with it. The mastering was definitely improved.

Not sure what you mean about the concept of the music or SOTT. The album is intact, so is the concept. The added material wouldn't be the same concept, it would be a peek into the creation and areas the concept could have gone before he refined it. It's got something like 3 x's the unreleased tracks as the better selling album.

People would rather still buy Purple Rain with glitches, and other issues.

lavendardrummachine said:

Not sure what you mean about the concept of the music or SOTT.

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In the SOTT book the music is in the back. There is no tracklisting on the back, so it is a book with an afterthought inlay (!) for the tracks and the 'stories' up front.

This implies the SOTT thing is not a music release but a book release where the music plays a minor role.

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If the music was the thing the music would have been in front and there would have been a tracklisting on the back of he book thing.

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SOTT was the post Revolution album. Prince erased most if not all traces of W&L and the rest of the band from this album. This was to be his album. Not theirs.

And what do the `experts` of WB and the Estate do? They act as if this fact never happened! They just chuck in the songs to fill up a few discs.

They really do not understand.

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The album is intact, so is the concept.

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Au contraire.

udo said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Not sure what you mean about the concept of the music or SOTT.

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In the SOTT book the music is in the back. There is no tracklisting on the back, so it is a book with an afterthought inlay (!) for the tracks and the 'stories' up front.

This implies the SOTT thing is not a music release but a book release where the music plays a minor role.

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If the music was the thing the music would have been in front and there would have been a tracklisting on the back of he book thing.

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SOTT was the post Revolution album. Prince erased most if not all traces of W&L and the rest of the band from this album. This was to be his album. Not theirs.

And what do the `experts` of WB and the Estate do? They act as if this fact never happened! They just chuck in the songs to fill up a few discs.

They really do not understand.

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The album is intact, so is the concept.

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Au contraire.

Eh. If that's what prevents you from enjoying the remastered package, I don't know what to tell you.

You prefer Purple Rain's remastering? Because this one includes Wendy and Lisa? What a weird W&L grudge that has nothing to do with this discussion. Were they supposed to pretend those songs/ versions of songs didn't exist? Are you really unable to differentiate between an intact album and add on bonus material? Anyhoo, unless you're saying people didn't buy it because the bonus material had too much Wendy and Lisa, even when Purple Rain is still selling like hotcakes, it's all a weird tangent.

The SOTT set was more clealy marketed and invented to support the financial gain of hardcore fans buying the more pricey sets as opposed to casuals with the 2 or 3 CD versions so I feel like all is probably well in Prince world

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udo said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Not sure what you mean about the concept of the music or SOTT.

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In the SOTT book the music is in the back. There is no tracklisting on the back, so it is a book with an afterthought inlay (!) for the tracks and the 'stories' up front.

This implies the SOTT thing is not a music release but a book release where the music plays a minor role.

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If the music was the thing the music would have been in front and there would have been a tracklisting on the back of he book thing.

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SOTT was the post Revolution album. Prince erased most if not all traces of W&L and the rest of the band from this album. This was to be his album. Not theirs.

And what do the `experts` of WB and the Estate do? They act as if this fact never happened! They just chuck in the songs to fill up a few discs.

They really do not understand.

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The album is intact, so is the concept.

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Au contraire.

Honestly, I feel like you're off point with pretty much everything you're saying.

I think they understand very well what was needed from this set and era (with hope that Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball can be released in some form eventually).

leecaldon said:

udo said:

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Au contraire.

Honestly, I feel like you're off point with pretty much everything you're saying.

I think they understand very well what was needed from this set and era (with hope that Dream Factory/Camille/Crystal Ball can be released in some form eventually).

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Off?

Well then your logic is from a parallel universe.

They do not show understanding on the points mentioned.

leecaldon said:

RODSERLING said:

Best selling album in the US in 2020 )(without streaming): #57 Purple Rain (115.000 copies). Total soundscan : 4.040.000 Out of these 115k, an incredible 98k (!) were sold on the vinyl format (#16 best selling album in vinyl this year) . That is to say 85% of the total sales. #161 Sign O The Times (51.000). Total SS : 459.000. Out of ranking : 1999 (33.000) Total SS : 1.049.000. Prince is the #22 best selling artist of the year, with an estimated 270.000 copies sold in 2020 ( against 320.000 copies in 2019). That could be explained by the fact there were two WB releases in 2019 ( against one in 2020) and 3 waves of Sony re releases ( against one in 2019).

I still think the estate is please with these sales. Prince is that famous underground artist with eh a few best selling albums. I am sure the estate accepts these sales. Don't forget that the estate makes money off of Prince's songwriting for others, and his licencing/likeness.

Trust me on this one the estate is making nice profit off of Prince.

LoveGalore said:

None of what udo says ever is based in logic.

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If you cannot see the logic, then why are you making such statements?

Your logic says that they should put whatever in any boxset to sell the stuff.

That is logic yes, but does not work with any context at all.

And context is important.