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Thread started 02/10/21 7:25pm

jfenster

Symbol album and tony m

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???
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Reply #1 posted 02/10/21 7:38pm

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Is it possible there are demos of the album WITH MORE Tony m???

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Reply #2 posted 02/10/21 9:53pm

RODSERLING

I always liked Tony M rap.
What s wrong with it ?
He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).
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Reply #3 posted 02/10/21 10:46pm

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Doubtful
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Reply #4 posted 02/11/21 12:36am

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jfenster said:

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???


It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and prince.

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #5 posted 02/12/21 11:47am

Wolfie87

TrivialPursuit said:



jfenster said:


Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???


It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and prince.

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.



I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.
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Reply #6 posted 02/13/21 6:59pm

jfenster

Hey its one of 90'sbest.....just wondered if prince had it before he added raps
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Reply #7 posted 02/13/21 7:15pm

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Wolfie87 said:

TrivialPursuit said:



jfenster said:


Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???


It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and prince.

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.



I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.


Thats the only real time I dug it too. Love 2 The 9s as a whole is a wild ride
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Reply #8 posted 02/13/21 9:22pm

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Wolfie87 said:


I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.


Isn't that Carmen?

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #9 posted 02/14/21 1:07am

Wolfie87

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Wolfie87 said:



I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.


Isn't that Carmen?



I once asked that same question and got the response; "It's not Carmen, it's Mayte"

So who really knows...
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Reply #10 posted 02/14/21 1:08am

Wolfie87

paisleypark4 said:

Wolfie87 said:



I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.


Thats the only real time I dug it too. Love 2 The 9s as a whole is a wild ride


My third favorite Prince song of all time.
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Reply #11 posted 02/14/21 4:57am

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paisleypark4 said:

Wolfie87 said:
I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.
Thats the only real time I dug it too. Love 2 The 9s as a whole is a wild ride

Yeah, I love that song a lot too, it is great! cool

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #12 posted 02/15/21 9:51am

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thats mayte not carmen
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Reply #13 posted 02/23/21 4:43am

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RODSERLING said:

I always liked Tony M rap. What s wrong with it ? He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).

What IS wrong with it?

I think he sounds just fine on "Willling and Able" and "Live 4 Love".

"Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee
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Reply #14 posted 02/23/21 7:06am

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Tony M fits this period to a "T". Would I want to hear him without Prince? Hellz no but I like his work with the NPG

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Reply #15 posted 02/23/21 7:29am

RJOrion

RODSERLING said:

I always liked Tony M rap.
What s wrong with it ?
He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).



WTF
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Reply #16 posted 02/23/21 7:50am

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FunkJam said:



RODSERLING said:


I always liked Tony M rap. What s wrong with it ? He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).

What IS wrong with it?

I think he sounds just fine on "Willling and Able" and "Live 4 Love".



He does and his style and delivery fits the time period perfectly. The criticism is mostly in retrospect and I think predominantly emanates from those who were displeased at Prince incorporating rap into his music and generally dislike it as a form.

I first became a fan when I was 14 in 1991 and there was nothing out-of-place about Tony M at that time, hence the commercial success.
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Reply #17 posted 02/23/21 8:25am

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Is it possible there are demos of the album WITH MORE Tony m???

This is my favourite post on the org in months. I cracked up.

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Reply #18 posted 02/23/21 8:41am

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has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?

not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol

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Reply #19 posted 02/23/21 9:10am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?


not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol



They are circulating. Also try the Diamonds and Pearls Beginnings album.
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Reply #20 posted 02/23/21 9:17am

RJOrion

Tony M is a good rapper ..period...he wasnt the problem...the problem was, Prince would always put him on songs that DIDNT NEED OR FIT HAVING RAPPING ON IT...Prince wasnt making any hiphop beats or instrumentals conducive to rhyming...that wasnt his strength or forte, being he was never really exposed to that environment during his musically informative years...by the 90s he was playing catchup and he was forcing tony to rhyme over sugary r&b/pop productions...it just didnt fit.
[Edited 2/23/21 9:20am]
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Reply #21 posted 02/23/21 10:05am

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jfenster said:

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???


It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and prince.

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.

Where can i get these?

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Reply #22 posted 02/23/21 10:51am

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When I say I think the songs with Tony don't need him it's not that Tony was bad, it's just that prince didnt need that. Ditto scrap d, eve, chuck d, etc.
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Reply #23 posted 02/23/21 10:51am

tab32792

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When I say I think the songs with Tony don't need him it's not that Tony was bad, it's just that prince didnt need that. Ditto scrap d, eve, chuck d, etc.

agreed

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Reply #24 posted 02/23/21 11:42am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?

not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol


Yes, I have, as noted. "The Flow" was sorta hard, but I just cut his verse out, and it seems to work. Although you still hear Prince say, "Tony, kick that piece of ...." then nothing. But whatever.

I took him out of 98% of that album and prince and it's grand, if I say so myself.

So yeah, my edits should be circulating. It's just those songs, not the whole albums.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #25 posted 02/23/21 11:56am

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Tony M is a good rapper ..period...he wasnt the problem...the problem was, Prince would always put him on songs that DIDNT NEED OR FIT HAVING RAPPING ON IT...Prince wasnt making any hiphop beats or instrumentals conducive to rhyming...that wasnt his strength or forte, being he was never really exposed to that environment during his musically informative years...by the 90s he was playing catchup and he was forcing tony to rhyme over sugary r&b/pop productions...it just didnt fit. [Edited 2/23/21 9:20am]

This is not my strength...but something you said had me wondering: Didn't living w/Andre in No. Minnie in his teens (musically informative?) expose him to an environment conducive to rapping?

Of course, No. Minnie was not Compton...

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Reply #26 posted 02/23/21 12:15pm

RJOrion

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RJOrion said:


Tony M is a good rapper ..period...he wasnt the problem...the problem was, Prince would always put him on songs that DIDNT NEED OR FIT HAVING RAPPING ON IT...Prince wasnt making any hiphop beats or instrumentals conducive to rhyming...that wasnt his strength or forte, being he was never really exposed to that environment during his musically informative years...by the 90s he was playing catchup and he was forcing tony to rhyme over sugary r&b/pop productions...it just didnt fit. [Edited 2/23/21 9:20am]



This is not my strength...but something you said had me wondering: Didn't living w/Andre in No. Minnie in his teens (musically informative?) expose him to an environment conducive to rapping?


Of course, No. Minnie was not Compton...



hiphop (as we know it), wasnt invented yet while Prince was living with Andre...HipHop is/was an East Coast(NY/NJ/Penn) subculture until the mid to late 80s..by then, Prince was an established artist who first belittled rap as a passing fad
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Reply #27 posted 02/23/21 12:17pm

RJOrion

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?


not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol




Yes, I have, as noted. "The Flow" was sorta hard, but I just cut his verse out, and it seems to work. Although you still hear Prince say, "Tony, kick that piece of ...." then nothing. But whatever.

I took him out of 98% of that album and prince and it's grand, if I say so myself.

So yeah, my edits should be circulating. It's just those songs, not the whole albums.



"The Flow" is Tony M and Prince best attempt at a rap song at that point...Tony was dope on that...one of my favorite songs on that album
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Reply #28 posted 02/23/21 12:19pm

funkbabyandthe
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tony was good on call the law i thought.

i also liked his my name is prince and sexy mf raps.

but id still rather prince just did a TC ellis type side project on him rather than make him be part of the band.

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Reply #29 posted 02/23/21 12:46pm

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RJOrion said:


"The Flow" is Tony M and Prince best attempt at a rap song at that point...Tony was dope on that...one of my favorite songs on that album


I'll slightly concede that "The Flow" is one of the more tolerable moments of Tony M., but without him it's still a great jam.

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