Is it possible there are demos of the album WITH MORE Tony m???

jfenster said:

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???

It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and .

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.

TrivialPursuit said:

Wolfie87 said:

Wolfie87 said:

I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.

Isn't that Carmen?

TrivialPursuit said:

paisleypark4 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Wolfie87 said:

I think it works on "Love 2 The 9's" speaking part with Mayte, honestly. The song has such a great dynamic when it comes back to Prince's breakdown at the end. One of the shining moments of the 90's.

Thats the only real time I dug it too. Love 2 The 9s as a whole is a wild ride

Yeah, I love that song a lot too, it is great!

RODSERLING said:

I always liked Tony M rap. What s wrong with it ? He s not worst than any american black rapper in the world ( I consider MC Solaar, Beastie Boyz and Eminem above the others).

What IS wrong with it?

I think he sounds just fine on "Willling and Able" and "Live 4 Love".

Tony M fits this period to a "T". Would I want to hear him without Prince? Hellz no but I like his work with the NPG

RODSERLING said:

FunkJam said:

lustmealways said:

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITH MORE Tony m???

This is my favourite post on the org in months. I cracked up.

has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?

not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

TrivialPursuit said:

jfenster said:

Is it possible there are demos of the album WITHOUT Tony m???

It's more possible, and really happened, that yours truly edited Tony M. out of about 98% of Diamonds and Pearls and .

I realized once I took him out and fixed the songs, that many of these raps were just tacked onto the end. When you right the songs without the rap and shore them up, they're much more coherent and solid.

Where can i get these?

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

When I say I think the songs with Tony don't need him it's not that Tony was bad, it's just that prince didnt need that. Ditto scrap d, eve, chuck d, etc.

agreed

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

has anyone ever made an edit of this album and D&P without the raps?

not including the flow, ofc. as that would be hard to do lol

Yes, I have, as noted. "The Flow" was sorta hard, but I just cut his verse out, and it seems to work. Although you still hear Prince say, "Tony, kick that piece of ...." then nothing. But whatever.

I took him out of 98% of that album and and it's grand, if I say so myself.

So yeah, my edits should be circulating. It's just those songs, not the whole albums.

RJOrion said:

Tony M is a good rapper ..period...he wasnt the problem...the problem was, Prince would always put him on songs that DIDNT NEED OR FIT HAVING RAPPING ON IT...Prince wasnt making any hiphop beats or instrumentals conducive to rhyming...that wasnt his strength or forte, being he was never really exposed to that environment during his musically informative years...by the 90s he was playing catchup and he was forcing tony to rhyme over sugary r&b/pop productions...it just didnt fit. [Edited 2/23/21 9:20am]

This is not my strength...but something you said had me wondering: Didn't living w/Andre in No. Minnie in his teens (musically informative?) expose him to an environment conducive to rapping?

Of course, No. Minnie was not Compton...

Margot said:

TrivialPursuit said:

tony was good on call the law i thought.

i also liked his my name is prince and sexy mf raps.

but id still rather prince just did a TC ellis type side project on him rather than make him be part of the band.

RJOrion said:

"The Flow" is Tony M and Prince best attempt at a rap song at that point...Tony was dope on that...one of my favorite songs on that album

I'll slightly concede that "The Flow" is one of the more tolerable moments of Tony M., but without him it's still a great jam.