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Thread started 02/08/21 5:06am

thebanishedone

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How come Ray Charles influence on Prince is so overlooked

Whenever some1 mentions people who influenced Prince ,the answers are James Brown,Santana,Hendrix but Ray Charles is not mentioned.But when you listen to Prince singing and playing piano it don't sound like Stevie Wonder or Little Richard at all.But it does sound like a very good derivate of Ray Charles.The bluesy piano jam that segues in2 How Come U Don't Call Me on 1999 tour is pure Ray.Prince's piano licks come from Ray's school.When he prepared for piano and mic tour it was reported that Prince was watching and listening to a lot of Ray Charles
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Reply #1 posted 02/08/21 5:16am

OldFriends4Sal
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Probably because Prince never connected to or mentioned Ray Charles

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Reply #2 posted 02/08/21 6:36am

SPYZFAN1

Remember the Ray Charles Pepsi commercial theme song ("The Right One")?...P did a cover of that. I also remember seeing P on an awards show (sitting next to Whitney Houston) watching Ray perform...P had his eyes closed and was swaying back and forth digging what Ray was doing...As Old Friends mentioned, he never made any comments of listening to Ray Charles in his 1980's/90's interviews.....Just like he never mentioned George Benson, Tony Maiden, Freddie Stone and Ike Turner were his guitar heroes until he worked with George, Larry and Chaka.

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Reply #3 posted 02/08/21 6:49am

RJOrion

because according to a prior thread, Prince apparently hated Blind people
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Reply #4 posted 02/08/21 7:00am

OldFriends4Sal
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RJOrion said:

because according to a prior thread, Prince apparently hated Blind people


lol

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Reply #5 posted 02/08/21 8:00am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Probably because Prince never connected to or mentioned Ray Charles

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Reply #6 posted 02/08/21 8:00am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Remember the Ray Charles Pepsi commercial theme song ("The Right One")?...P did a cover of that.

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No, he sampled it. http://www.princevault.co...tle=Uh_Huh

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Reply #7 posted 02/08/21 8:32am

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He covered "What'd I Say," I'd call that a mention. I think he also teased "Georgia on My Mind," at least at a piano sound check.

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Reply #8 posted 02/08/21 8:56am

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RJOrion said:

because according to a prior thread, Prince apparently hated Blind people

no one said prince hated blind people.

as you might be aware, people often say questionable things about groups of people without even being aware of that. sometimes by accident, not conscious intention. they might even do this with groups they feel they have no ill or questionable feelings.

either way, you should look up the word 'nuance'.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nuance

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Reply #9 posted 02/08/21 9:12am

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im not sure how much prince liked pre-late 60s/70s music.

obv he appreciated it and he studied it, he respected it, but idk how much he really *liked* it.

which is fair enough, it was before his youth.

im sure he knew of ray charles' importance, and knew his songs, esp as ray was a big influence on stevie wonder (also, im pretty sure ray and stevie owned their masters, or some of them, so im sure they were key reference points for him).

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Reply #10 posted 02/08/21 11:05am

thebanishedone

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

im not sure how much prince liked pre-late 60s/70s music.

obv he appreciated it and he studied it, he respected it, but idk how much he really *liked* it.

which is fair enough, it was before his youth.

im sure he knew of ray charles' importance, and knew his songs, esp as ray was a big influence on stevie wonder (also, im pretty sure ray and stevie owned their masters, or some of them, so im sure they were key reference points for him).

take a look at that pro shoot from 1999 tour live in Houston b4 How Come U Don't Call me he plays an improvised bluesy piano jam and playing and singing is pure Ray

prince's piano style is not Little Richard or Stevie Wonder it's all about Ray.i'm sure he was a big fan of Ray.100%

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Reply #11 posted 02/08/21 11:06am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

Remember the Ray Charles Pepsi commercial theme song ("The Right One")?...P did a cover of that. I also remember seeing P on an awards show (sitting next to Whitney Houston) watching Ray perform...P had his eyes closed and was swaying back and forth digging what Ray was doing...As Old Friends mentioned, he never made any comments of listening to Ray Charles in his 1980's/90's interviews.....Just like he never mentioned George Benson, Tony Maiden, Freddie Stone and Ike Turner were his guitar heroes until he worked with George, Larry and Chaka.

but my friend he mention Tony Maiden and Ike more than a few times.i will do one quote "I was influenced by everybody,even Ike Turner

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Reply #12 posted 02/08/21 2:04pm

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RJOrion said:

because according to a prior thread, Prince apparently hated Blind people


Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #13 posted 02/08/21 2:22pm

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His touch at the piano is really similar, but that could have been handed down through his pops or just something he was born with not emulated. His pacing with ballads and some of his call and response with the audience does have some obvious similarities once someone suggests comparing them. Touch, pacing and working an audience aren't really that obvious that he needed to bring it up. He might not have been aware of that or felt that kinship to Ray. He was drawing from all the greats, I don't think he sat around saying "Here I am, rephrasing my lyrics like Aretha" or whoever, but he definitely embodied some old styles in his original sound.

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Reply #14 posted 02/08/21 3:32pm

SPYZFAN1

I remember him mentioning Turner and Maiden in Guitar Player (1999..the year, not the song). cool ..Outside of that of that interview, I've never heard/read him mention them. I was glad to read that he loved Nile Rogers playing (in P's later year interviews).

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Reply #15 posted 02/08/21 5:24pm

thebanishedone

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He mention Ike on more than occasion.i heard his fathers playing but vocal phrasing and piano licks when he's at piano is pure Ray.i can give u at least 20 examples and conpare with Ray
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Reply #16 posted 02/09/21 12:58pm

Margot

Prince and his dad used to play "What'd I Say" on the piano together.

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Reply #17 posted 02/09/21 1:00pm

Margot

RJOrion said:

because according to a prior thread, Prince apparently hated Blind people

LOL

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Reply #18 posted 02/09/21 5:36pm

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There was this, too. A few weeks before he died, "the last time he played live with a band":


https://diffuser.fm/prince-ray-charles/

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