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Thread started 01/30/21 9:12am

carlitoz

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1st Single choices you were not crazy about

One I can remember right now was the first single for Emancipation, Betcha By Golly Wow! Yeah I enjoyed the song ok (without going nuts for it) since I was a huge fan thirsty for whatever Prince would do, but if the intention was mass appeal to the young generation, I never considered it a COOL song for that purpose. I couldn’t picture a 90s guy in his teens or 20s paying attention to it. Of course it’s just my personal opinion; I’m not a music or marketing professional. If it was done just for his base of years, I guess it was fine. I think he was still looking or hoping for pop success, wasn’t he?
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Reply #1 posted 01/30/21 9:16am

carlitoz

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Oh and I wasn’t crazy about The Greatest Romance Ever Sold for the first single for Rave. Again, I did like the song ok, but for commercial purposes and THAT album specifically, I would’ve introduced it to the public differently.
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Reply #2 posted 01/30/21 9:31am

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Everything from the Come onwards more or less?

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With Emancipation and Rave he was trying to replicate TMBGITW, but they just weren't strong enough songs. Betcha is pleasant enough and had a USP that it was a cover, but the project needed to launch with a bang and this wasn't it. TGRES is just very mediocre and not really single material in general, unless they were to promote the Jason Nevins mix as the radio version and even then not as a lead single.

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It's a shame Eye Hate U wasn't promoted properly as it was a strong, commercial track, but again leading with a ballad? Dinner With Delores? OK, it was slim pickings on that album lol. Te Amo Corazon? Lovely track, not a lead single. I guess it becomes a moot point after that.

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Reply #3 posted 01/30/21 9:36am

RJOrion

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Controversy
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Reply #4 posted 01/30/21 10:00am

IAdoreWeronika

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Controversy is a perfect 1st single.
Private Joy should of been the 2rd single.
With extended 12 inch.
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Reply #5 posted 01/30/21 1:16pm

FasterThan67

Dirty Mind’s single choices were not very good. Uptown is a good second or third single, but not a first. When You Were Mine should have been the lead.

even though it’s not a first single, If I Was Your Girlfriend should have never been released as a single. i think it was only released to create controversy (a man singing about wanting to be his woman’s girlfriend in a pitch-altered voice), rather than being released as a good commercial track. it’s the best song on SOTT, but that doesn’t mean it was a good single choice
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Reply #6 posted 01/30/21 1:56pm

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I'm surprise no one mentioned "If I Was Your Girlfriend." It's not a knock to the quality of the song, but fuck... with a 2 CD set of bangers, and he picks that as a lead single?! No thank you, ma'am. (I think about MJ releasing a ballad to launch BAD.)

ATWIAD is odd since radio was left to decide at first, but he sorta knew "Raspberry Beret" was gonna be a single. It's just sad no video existed for "Pop Life." Great album, but singles? Ehhh, there were never going to be huge hits from that record.

So "Kiss" was a great lead single, a #1. But it flat out didn't reflect the aural aesthetic of the album at all. I think people expected some sorta stripped down funky record, and got... Parade. While we love it as fans and musicians, the general public saw it as fluff. So I'm not sure any single could've survived that sort of word of mouth, coupled with bad movie reviews.

"Sign O The Times" was actually the first single, not IIWYG as some mention, but both weren't as strong as "U Got The Look" or even "Housequake."

"Alphabet St." was a great lead, but "Glam Slam" was a bad follow up. I think artists should almost always start with two upbeat songs, then a ballad as a 3rd single. "Glam Slam" is too mid-tempo. The album sorta suffers from the Parade issue I mentioned earlier, but in different ways.

"Sexy M.F." as a lead single - welp, it's almost like he wanted to kill prince before it started.

"The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" is probably the worst lead single in the history of his career. It's a flat, boring song, and no one gave a shit about it or Rave. Touting all these duets and no one really got to hear them or see videos for them. "Baby Knows," "So Far, So Pleased," "Everyday Is A Winding Road," "Prettyman," "Wherever U Go." That should've been the single release order.

Speaking of lead single ballads, "Te Amo Corazon." Girl, really?


Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #7 posted 01/30/21 2:40pm

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Betcha By Golly jumps out at me too....it's not bad but it's nothing special you want to hear over and over.

SOTT... Title track and a good song, but not a single. The press fawned over it which made it worse. Tons of great singles to be had too. That was the first single I didn't buy when it came out.

Agree about Uptown being a weaker song too.


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Reply #8 posted 01/30/21 3:39pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

SOTT... Title track and a good song, but not a single. The press fawned over it which made it worse. Tons of great singles to be had too. That was the first single I didn't buy when it came out.


In some ways, it was a quasi-Zeitgeist moment, where he really hit on people's moods and the focus of their attention. AIDS, Reagan's Star Wars program, heroin and crack... I'm sorta glad he found that newspaper and wrote those things down. I can see the press and critics taking huge note of it. The artist who was always known for his big dick energy took a tuck and left turn lyrically.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #9 posted 01/30/21 5:46pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

The artist who was always known for his big dick energy took a tuck and left turn lyrically.

He'd already done Controversy though. It still cracks me up there's a real Disciples gang, because I thought it sounded so corny, like he was talkig about a gang from West Side Story. It's like someone's uncle trying to scare his nephews. Watch out, my cousin tried weed and six months later he was addicted to Horse. Still one of the most ridiculous nicknames for a narcotic.

It would have been a good Talking Heads song.

I don't dislike the song, for the record.

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Reply #10 posted 01/30/21 6:00pm

mtlfan

I've gone off on Betcha By Golly Wow before. This was Prince's Emancipation, hyped and heralded with TV ads, his 3 CD declaration of creative freedom... and he leads off with an adult contemporary cover? Whoops.

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Reply #11 posted 01/30/21 7:47pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

I'm surprise no one mentioned "If I Was Your Girlfriend." It's not a knock to the quality of the song, but fuck... with a 2 CD set of bangers, and he picks that as a lead single?! No thank you, ma'am. (I think about MJ releasing a ballad to launch BAD.)

ATWIAD is odd since radio was left to decide at first, but he sorta knew "Raspberry Beret" was gonna be a single. It's just sad no video existed for "Pop Life." Great album, but singles? Ehhh, there were never going to be huge hits from that record.

So "Kiss" was a great lead single, a #1. But it flat out didn't reflect the aural aesthetic of the album at all. I think people expected some sorta stripped down funky record, and got... Parade. While we love it as fans and musicians, the general public saw it as fluff. So I'm not sure any single could've survived that sort of word of mouth, coupled with bad movie reviews.

"Sign O The Times" was actually the first single, not IIWYG as some mention, but both weren't as strong as "U Got The Look" or even "Housequake."

"Alphabet St." was a great lead, but "Glam Slam" was a bad follow up. I think artists should almost always start with two upbeat songs, then a ballad as a 3rd single. "Glam Slam" is too mid-tempo. The album sorta suffers from the Parade issue I mentioned earlier, but in different ways.

"Sexy M.F." as a lead single - welp, it's almost like he wanted to kill prince before it started.

"The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" is probably the worst lead single in the history of his career. It's a flat, boring song, and no one gave a shit about it or Rave. Touting all these duets and no one really got to hear them or see videos for them. "Baby Knows," "So Far, So Pleased," "Everyday Is A Winding Road," "Prettyman," "Wherever U Go." That should've been the single release order.

Speaking of lead single ballads, "Te Amo Corazon." Girl, really?




Again, Sexy MF is one of its best selling single in Europe. You americans are too focused on yourself.

It peaked at #8 in the Eurochart, and at #5 in Australia.
It was a great choice of a lead single, even if I would have went with MNIP instead.
What wasn't, was to release it more than 3 months (!) Before the album release.
Then the album didn't benefit from the single momentum and it flopped.
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Reply #12 posted 01/30/21 7:50pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

Betcha By Golly jumps out at me too....it's not bad but it's nothing special you want to hear over and over.

SOTT... Title track and a good song, but not a single. The press fawned over it which made it worse. Tons of great singles to be had too. That was the first single I didn't buy when it came out.

Agree about Uptown being a weaker song too.




SOTT was a worldwide hit...
It was the best lead single possible.
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Reply #13 posted 01/30/21 8:01pm

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mtlfan said:

I've gone off on Betcha By Golly Wow before. This was Prince's Emancipation, hyped and heralded with TV ads, his 3 CD declaration of creative freedom... and he leads off with an adult contemporary cover? Whoops.



The problem with Emancipation and Rave is that the best tracks out of it are covers.
I don t see a good lead uptempo single in there. That's why they released Betcha and TGRES anyway.
And it sucks to begin with a Ballad
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Reply #14 posted 01/30/21 8:05pm

TrivialPursuit

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RODSERLING said:

Sexy MF is one of its best selling single in Europe. You americans are too focused on yourself.


One has nothing to do with the other.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #15 posted 01/30/21 8:10pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



RODSERLING said:



Sexy MF is one of its best selling single in Europe. You americans are too focused on yourself.





One has nothing to do with the other.



So why are you saying that Sexy MF was a bad single choice, since it was a huge hit?
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Reply #16 posted 01/30/21 8:25pm

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First single choices at WB's were usually great. It was mostly the timing, the lack of music videos and the second single choice that were disputable.
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Prince would have already crossed over in the 1970's if he had released I m Yours and Bambi instead of the lacklusters Just as Long... And Why you Treat Me So Bad. Bambi and I m Yours were top 40 hits for sure.

If there was one single to be released from Parade instead of Kiss, it would have been Sometimes It Snows...and that's all.
It would have been an enduring worldwide top 10 hit for a large audience, and it would have sold the album by millions.
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Same thing for SOTT, the Cross would have been a good top 10 hit instead of IIWYG and would be known to this day as one of Prince greatest hits.
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The timing for Gett Off and Sexy MF was odd : they have been released months before the actual releaseof their respective albums. So they couldn't benefit from the momemtum of their success and airplay.
That's why D&P sold only 7 millions despite 4 worldwide hits.
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Reply #17 posted 01/30/21 8:32pm

SoulAlive

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The problem with Emancipation and Rave is that the best tracks out of it are covers.


Nonsense.”Sleep Around” would have been an excellent first single from Emancipation.
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Reply #18 posted 01/30/21 8:45pm

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SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said:



The problem with Emancipation and Rave is that the best tracks out of it are covers.


Nonsense.”Sleep Around” would have been an excellent first single from Emancipation.


No. Sleep Around is ludicrous and wouldn't have worked neither in the US nor in Europe.
And Betcha, One of Us and Lalala... Are timeless songs.
Nothing compares to the material presented in Emancipation.
Hell, that's why Prince was obliged to do covers to save the album quality and that's why his label chose a cover as a lead single... Because the rest was unsellable as such.
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Reply #19 posted 01/30/21 9:04pm

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SoulAlive said:


Nonsense.”Sleep Around” would have been an excellent first single from Emancipation.


Agreed. It was screaming for an EP of remixes a la "Cream" or "New Power Generation." It should've been a single, period.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #20 posted 01/30/21 10:21pm

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RODSERLING said:



SOTT was a worldwide hit... It was the best lead single possible.


Based on that criteria, U Got the Look would have been the better choice.

I don't remember SOTT getting much radio play. I guess it did somewhere. Anyway the topic is single choices we're not crazy about.

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Reply #21 posted 01/31/21 12:43am

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Basically everything after The Most Beautiful Girl In the World. After the success of that song, he must have thought that a slow song had the most chance of becoming a hit. And every single released since then proved him wrong.
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If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.
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Reply #22 posted 01/31/21 12:48am

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TrivialPursuit said:



lavendardrummachine said:


SOTT... Title track and a good song, but not a single. The press fawned over it which made it worse. Tons of great singles to be had too. That was the first single I didn't buy when it came out.




In some ways, it was a quasi-Zeitgeist moment, where he really hit on people's moods and the focus of their attention. AIDS, Reagan's Star Wars program, heroin and crack... I'm sorta glad he found that newspaper and wrote those things down. I can see the press and critics taking huge note of it. The artist who was always known for his big dick energy took a tuck and left turn lyrically.


And that's exactly why I think Sign O' the Times was a great choice for a lead single. It showed a serious, mature side of Prince and it brought the name of the album under attention.
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Reply #23 posted 01/31/21 3:19am

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lavendardrummachine said:



RODSERLING said:







SOTT was a worldwide hit... It was the best lead single possible.


Based on that criteria, U Got the Look would have been the better choice.

I don't remember SOTT getting much radio play. I guess it did somewhere. Anyway the topic is single choices we're not crazy about.



SOTT was #1 in airplay in the USA, and at least #5 for two weeks in Europe.
U Got The Look is a duet with Prince having a pitched voice. It would have been too risky as a lead single.
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Reply #24 posted 01/31/21 9:29am

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...but both weren't as strong as "U Got The Look" or even "Housequake."



totally agree with Housequake. as weird of a track as it is, it’s still funky enough to run the R&B charts and maybe that would boost it into the top 40. people complained Prince wasn’t funky in the PR-SOTT era, but they just don’t know bout the quake, i guess...

people mention U Got The Look being risky as it had the Camille voice, but when i first listened to SOTT, i barely noticed his voice was altered in that song. SOTT was a good first choice because the lyrics were just so... real. U Got the Look would have been a great first single, but i think Prince and the label knew SOTT would be popular, whether it’s because the song was good or not.

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Reply #25 posted 01/31/21 11:20am

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I think Betcha By Golly Wow is a truly bizarre choice for a first single. Especially given the ambition of the project, and how many songs he had. It wasn't even a reimagining, it was just a straight cover. So odd.

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Reply #26 posted 01/31/21 12:24pm

SoulAlive

“The Greatest Romance Ever Sold”.It’s a boring song and a poor choice for a first single.
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Reply #27 posted 01/31/21 2:50pm

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I think Betcha By Golly Wow is a truly bizarre choice for a first single. Especially given the ambition of the project, and how many songs he had. It wasn't even a reimagining, it was just a straight cover. So odd.



Moreover, the sticker of the album mentionned " Including Prince amazing covers of classic songs" eek as it was a commercial or artistic argument.
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Reply #28 posted 01/31/21 3:10pm

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RODSERLING said:


SOTT was #1 in airplay in the USA, and at least #5 for two weeks in Europe. U Got The Look is a duet with Prince having a pitched voice. It would have been too risky as a lead single.



All I see is it topped out at #2, and if it was ever a #1 radio chart, it was totally manipulated. It didn't get even half the radio play U Got the Look did. It was an instantly recognizable as Prince, there was zero confusion. He's in the video.

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Reply #29 posted 01/31/21 3:29pm

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FasterThan67 said:

people mention U Got The Look being risky as it had the Camille voice, but when i first listened to SOTT, i barely noticed his voice was altered in that song..


Yeah it wasn't like Erotic City. It's pretty close to the same voice we heard in Girls and Boys and other songs.

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