Phase3 said:

thebanishedone said:

I don't think Prince ever wanted to emberass anyone on stage,i've heard recordings of Prince live with Bruce Springsteen,Sting,Seal...many others.He gave spotlight to all of them,Springsteen did a cool funk guitar solo on Baby I'm A Star 1985 live i Miami i think.The problem was a band had rehearsed cues that the guest musicians didn't know and Prince was fireing those cues when he felt like,but i think he was chasing the sound and feel,without really wanting to embaress any of those guys.And when Prince is showing of on guitar i don't see it like that,i think he just goes into energetic zone and what you hear is what he is taking from there.I think that when he shreads it's like a wave of emotions coming on to you,like a storm or fire aprouching fast.cause you can see those notes he plays mean to him.I can see and hear that what he did on While My Guitar was very honest,nothing fake about it,except the body guuard part but even that was somehow right.I really believe that George would love it and i am sure that Clapton seen it on utub and loved it. That night in the rnr hall of fame was Bruce Springsteen,Keith Richards and i think Robert Plant.

Keith Richard's prince hating ass was their too?! Didn't know that.Wish I could spot him in the crowd when prince did his solo.I did notice p diddy and chris rock cheering prince on while standing up

Yap he was there and he gave Prince a standing ovation,and praised his solo afterwards. and you know i think Keith was hating only on the outside because he was afraid and threaten by Prince as a new force in music but like Rick James he was a closeted fan

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

thebanishedone said:

I don't think Prince ever wanted to emberass anyone on stage,i've heard recordings of Prince live with Bruce Springsteen,Sting,Seal...many others.He gave spotlight to all of them,Springsteen did a cool funk guitar solo on Baby I'm A Star 1985 live i Miami i think.The problem was a band had rehearsed cues that the guest musicians didn't know and Prince was fireing those cues when he felt like,but i think he was chasing the sound and feel,without really wanting to embaress any of those guys.And when Prince is showing of on guitar i don't see it like that,i think he just goes into energetic zone and what you hear is what he is taking from there.I think that when he shreads it's like a wave of emotions coming on to you,like a storm or fire aprouching fast.cause you can see those notes he plays mean to him.I can see and hear that what he did on While My Guitar was very honest,nothing fake about it,except the body guuard part but even that was somehow right.I really believe that George would love it and i am sure that Clapton seen it on utub and loved it. That night in the rnr hall of fame was Bruce Springsteen,Keith Richards and i think Robert Plant.

Cmon. Just look at that 87 nye show. He tried to trip up miles.

on the 1987 i think he thought that Miles would go on withthe changes,just continue soloing. I highly douvbt Prince wanted to humiliate any1 ever on stage.Prince had big success,when u are acomplished you don't have a reason to behave like a child ,but i believe that Prince's vanity push him to never lose pace on those 4 instruments that he played.i believed he practiced all 4 until his last days

he was still snapping on miles when he was even off stage!

'aint it past your bedtime miles?'

i think he was pissed off that the band lost their cue as they were looking at miles and then decided to, rather than keep the groove going so miles could have space to solo, throw a load of changes under him so he would lose his place or balance.

and then let us not forget how he tried to intimidate questlove and d'angelo when they met him in the late 90s/early 00s.

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thebanishedone said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

it might be true that in this new footage something is shown that was not there in the previous one, but to act like prince didnt have a history of wanting to dominate and embarass his peers on stage in the past is just false.

I don't think Prince ever wanted to emberass anyone on stage,i've heard recordings of Prince live with Bruce Springsteen,Sting,Seal...many others.He gave spotlight to all of them,Springsteen did a cool funk guitar solo on Baby I'm A Star 1985 live i Miami i think.The problem was a band had rehearsed cues that the guest musicians didn't know and Prince was fireing those cues when he felt like,but i think he was chasing the sound and feel,without really wanting to embaress any of those guys.And when Prince is showing of on guitar i don't see it like that,i think he just goes into energetic zone and what you hear is what he is taking from there.I think that when he shreads it's like a wave of emotions coming on to you,like a storm or fire aprouching fast.cause you can see those notes he plays mean to him.I can see and hear that what he did on While My Guitar was very honest,nothing fake about it,except the body guuard part but even that was somehow right.I really believe that George would love it and i am sure that Clapton seen it on utub and loved it. That night in the rnr hall of fame was Bruce Springsteen,Keith Richards and i think Robert Plant.

According to some who were there or have seen the video of Sting on stage during the PArade tour Prince was letting him drown intentionally by firing cues and watching him flub and Prince just making fun of him.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

he was still snapping on miles when he was even off stage!

'aint it past your bedtime miles?'

i think he was pissed off that the band lost their cue as they were looking at miles and then decided to, rather than keep the groove going so miles could have space to solo, throw a load of changes under him so he would lose his place or balance.

[Edited 1/21/21 4:17am]

I know that's an interpretation you could make from the evidence but looking at that concert, I just don't see it. I see a young guy having a great time. He's roasting Jon Bream and Brooks so the fact he adds a little playfulness in towards Miles isn't out of keeping. The fact that Miles was a miserable, tetchy mofo would have meant he wouldn't have liked it but that's not the motivation - to my eyes at least.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

and then let us not forget how he tried to intimidate questlove and d'angelo when they met him in the late 90s/early 00s.

[Edited 1/21/21 4:17am]

If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I ain't buying it from Questlove, D'Angelo and Alan Leeds. Sorry - but those guys have axes to grind in some form or another. I've heard that rendition in several places and it always sounds biased to me.

Now, I'm not saying that Prince wasn't shady. He didn't turn up to their gig because he likely wouldn't have wanted to see an outside-Minnie band tear the joint up. And he didn't take up Paul McCartney and Roy Bennett's invitation to go to Macca's gig in Minnie... He wasn't shy of being extremely petty.

But I think if he had known how D'Angelo turned out, he'd have gone up on stage and played that pale imitator into a cocked-hat. Ended that lacklustre career 20 years early.

Bringing it back to the original point - did Prince go on that stage to deliberately show up Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne/Steve Winwood/Steve Ferrone/Marc Mann/et al... No. He went on that stage as an inductee on the night to play on a song by another inductee on the night.

If his playing just happened to be specatuclar in a rock setting, then he could stick two fingers up to Rolling Stone... But the other guys, he clearly wasn't meaning them ill will. Look at the grin and smiles going around. Tom Petty looked like he had smelled a fart right up until the point that he realised this was going to be big news and then he mustered up a smile to at least allow himself later on to say he enjoyed it.

The Prince of 1987 was a more petty man than the Prince of 2004. And the Prince of 2013-2016 had thankfully lost all that pettiness (to my eys at least).

Prince told one of his employees that "he held a little something back" in practice w/ Petty & Co.

Dhani H. was interviewed years later and seemed annoyed...

PorterUK said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

he was still snapping on miles when he was even off stage!

'aint it past your bedtime miles?'

i think he was pissed off that the band lost their cue as they were looking at miles and then decided to, rather than keep the groove going so miles could have space to solo, throw a load of changes under him so he would lose his place or balance.

[Edited 1/21/21 4:17am]

I know that's an interpretation you could make from the evidence but looking at that concert, I just don't see it. I see a young guy having a great time. He's roasting Jon Bream and Brooks so the fact he adds a little playfulness in towards Miles isn't out of keeping. The fact that Miles was a miserable, tetchy mofo would have meant he wouldn't have liked it but that's not the motivation - to my eyes at least.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

and then let us not forget how he tried to intimidate questlove and d'angelo when they met him in the late 90s/early 00s.

[Edited 1/21/21 4:17am]

If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I ain't buying it from Questlove, D'Angelo and Alan Leeds. Sorry - but those guys have axes to grind in some form or another. I've heard that rendition in several places and it always sounds biased to me.

Now, I'm not saying that Prince wasn't shady. He didn't turn up to their gig because he likely wouldn't have wanted to see an outside-Minnie band tear the joint up. And he didn't take up Paul McCartney and Roy Bennett's invitation to go to Macca's gig in Minnie... He wasn't shy of being extremely petty.

But I think if he had known how D'Angelo turned out, he'd have gone up on stage and played that pale imitator into a cocked-hat. Ended that lacklustre career 20 years early.

Bringing it back to the original point - did Prince go on that stage to deliberately show up Tom Petty/Jeff Lynne/Steve Winwood/Steve Ferrone/Marc Mann/et al... No. He went on that stage as an inductee on the night to play on a song by another inductee on the night.

If his playing just happened to be specatuclar in a rock setting, then he could stick two fingers up to Rolling Stone... But the other guys, he clearly wasn't meaning them ill will. Look at the grin and smiles going around. Tom Petty looked like he had smelled a fart right up until the point that he realised this was going to be big news and then he mustered up a smile to at least allow himself later on to say he enjoyed it.

The Prince of 1987 was a more petty man than the Prince of 2004. And the Prince of 2013-2016 had thankfully lost all that pettiness (to my eys at least).

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lololol theres only one song of dangelos that could genuinely be called a prince imitation and that's untitled how does it feel. So lazy to call him an imitator. I suggest you listen to the black messiah album. But I do remember those voodoo liner notes so I could see why prince might be pissed. Though the prince of the early 80s had no trouble mocking his elders either so hey. The arrogance of youth.... [Edited 1/21/21 6:43am]

Big difference is that Prince could back up his boasts, D'angelo can't.
D'angelo needed 20 years to release 1 great album (Voodoo) and 2 ok album (Brown Sugar and Black Messiah) so QuestLove pretending as if D'angelo is on par or even remotely in the same league as Prince is just empty words.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Yes, the hype was stupid. And hes a slow worker. But black messiah was his best album to date So hes getting better with each new one. And honestly I dont think his music is like prince at all really. Hes much more rnb.

My favoriyte is Voodoo, I also don;t see how he is 'Prince-like'. I doubt D'angelo can go from a Rebirth of the Flesh to a Controversy to a Temptation to a Dance Electric. He;s mostly (Neo) Soul and his rock is lacking.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Imagine a tribute to prince with his old band and a guest guitarist who never played with him taking up that much space during the performance. I dont imagine many ppl here would be so in favour of it lol.

I agree to a certain point, but neither Tom Petty nor Jeff Lynne were members of The Beatles. Yes, they were his bandmates in The Traveling Wilburys, but that's not the band who performed While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

In fact, George Harrison didn't even DO that solo. It was Eric Clapton.

Se7en said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Imagine a tribute to prince with his old band and a guest guitarist who never played with him taking up that much space during the performance. I dont imagine many ppl here would be so in favour of it lol.

I agree to a certain point, but neither Tom Petty nor Jeff Lynne were members of The Beatles. Yes, they were his bandmates in The Traveling Wilburys, but that's not the band who performed While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

In fact, George Harrison didn't even DO that solo. It was Eric Clapton.

I think if we're completely honest, Prince had some things to prove @ that time.

Instead of throwing the guitar @ the end, a kind of showboat move, he could have shaken the hands of the players @ the end, even if he did not want to; it would have been a classier move.This performance was supposed to be a tribute to George H.

His solo spoke for itself.

[Edited 1/24/21 15:01pm]

Margot said:

Se7en said:

I agree to a certain point, but neither Tom Petty nor Jeff Lynne were members of The Beatles. Yes, they were his bandmates in The Traveling Wilburys, but that's not the band who performed While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

In fact, George Harrison didn't even DO that solo. It was Eric Clapton.

I think if we're completely honest, Prince had some things to prove @ that time.

Instead of throwing the guitar @ the end, a kind of showboat move, he could have shaken the hands of the players @ the end, even if he did not want to; it would have been a classier move.This performance was supposed to be a tribute to George H.

His solo spoke for itself.

[Edited 1/24/21 15:01pm]

Well it's pretty obvious that you don't play guitar cause shaking hands after that display of emotion,energy,vibe. are u nuts? do you shake hands with your partner after sex?

how apsurd . lol

He did everything perfect and solo was one of the best tributes ever to George.

[Edited 1/25/21 0:37am]

Margot said:

Se7en said:

I agree to a certain point, but neither Tom Petty nor Jeff Lynne were members of The Beatles. Yes, they were his bandmates in The Traveling Wilburys, but that's not the band who performed While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

In fact, George Harrison didn't even DO that solo. It was Eric Clapton.

I think if we're completely honest, Prince had some things to prove @ that time.

Instead of throwing the guitar @ the end, a kind of showboat move, he could have shaken the hands of the players @ the end, even if he did not want to; it would have been a classier move.This performance was supposed to be a tribute to George H.

His solo spoke for itself.

[Edited 1/24/21 15:01pm]

Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
Skipper never had to prove shit.

Maybe he was talking to George Harrison in his head?
After all, Prince is a guest in this performance. One of the rare, if not the only,
Prince appearance as a guest for another artist.
Beats the "We Are The World" recording session any day in my book.

Maybe he was feeling honored to be there,
but you probably wanted him to express more of the sadness
the band played for five minutes (quite understandbly, they knew the guy,
and in the case of Dani, well. BTW, Dani LOVED Prince's performance).

Prince soared that tired-ass cover into "Love Thy Will Be Done" hard rock version.
You don't calculate that, that's why he didn't solo at the rehearsal.

What if a good solo comes out and there's no audience?
Isn't it better to feel the adrenaline of a first time anyway?
Musicians know better. Especially skilled ones.


He's not showing off, he's bringing life
where there was mourning (and it's a good thing,
we were about to fall asleep after six loooong minutes
if it wasn't for the drummer and the organist, and of course
Prince's rhythm guitar — he's there from the start —
that brings the heartbeat in a very restrained way, mind you
in total service of the song).

Prince chooses to celebrate life over death,
(Skipper never stopped to believe in "With Love There Is Not Death"),
he brings in something joyous, something that reckons this song is here for the ages,
and this chord progression is awesome, here, let me paint the sky with fireworks,
let's say farewell on a positive note.
Rock'n'Roll fucks death with nails.
Always has.

Prince can be verbose, but he's never gratuitous.
This isn't a "showing off".
Ha! You're still stuck in the "Coco Boys" years.
SKipper is way above by that point.
What else is there to show off when you're admitted into the Hall
on your first year of eligibility? And you're already considered a living legend?

Skipper had a connection between his soul and his fingers
that is close to inexplicable, aside from the years it took him to get there.

What you witness in this performance is Him, in the fullest.
It's a solo that speaks about the ups and downs of life,
the sadness, the fall, the rise.

So salutary after Jeff Lyne's painful meows.

You blame Prince for being rock'n'roll at the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame?
Damn, I say "Make room for Jimi's Maggot Brains now!"

Right from the first note,
we're light years away from what the song was until then.
This is Cape Canaveral, not le Père Lachaise.


I prefer Gospel to Gregorian choirs, I guess.
Either you choose to say goodbye and pay homage
with fireworks, or go for a sad, lone melting candle and Droopy faces.

Getting sadder doesn't help the mourning.
And it's not a kind of kind solo: more like pissed at the World.
How life can be a bitch. Pissed at the fragility of humans.
Which is the whole point of the song.
Go listen to the original recording.

I hear and see Prince going for the stratosphere,
I hear him expressing how much he digs The Beatles,
I think of him saying goodbye to musician he respects (circa 1984).

And wants to pay honor to.
His solo got out that way, and if you don't get the resurrection nod,
you don't get Prince in the fullest.

Bodies fall.
And rise again.
That's Prince's faith, right there.

You're talking as if the performance involves a coked up star who goes
with people he despise just to make some self-promotional appearance.
Does it sound and look that way?

In a Rock'n'Roll "you're not dead, George,
my guitar is an antenna, I can reach to you"
kind of way, Prince is Rock'n'Roll alive, and more.


You and the babysitter are keen on
finding something negative in it.
Suit yourself.

P.S. : and of course he leaves the stage all cocky.
What left is there to say or do after?
Can you imagine Prince levels of adrenalin at this moment?
You really think it's time to shake hands?

Prince let himself go and it gave THAT.
It's funnier to leave as a cool cat.

[Edited 1/25/21 10:42am]

bonatoc said:

Margot said:

I think if we're completely honest, Prince had some things to prove @ that time.

Instead of throwing the guitar @ the end, a kind of showboat move, he could have shaken the hands of the players @ the end, even if he did not want to; it would have been a classier move.This performance was supposed to be a tribute to George H.

His solo spoke for itself.

[Edited 1/24/21 15:01pm]

Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
Skipper never had to prove shit.

Maybe he was talking to George Harrison in his head?
After all, Prince is a guest in this performance. One of the rare, if not the only,
Prince appearance as a guest for another artist.
Beats the "We Are The World" recording session any day in my book.

Maybe he was feeling honored to be there,
but you probably wanted him to express more of the sadness
the band played for five minutes (quite understandbly, they knew the guy,
and in the case of Dani, well. BTW, Dani LOVED Prince's performance).

Prince soared that tired-ass cover into "Love Thy Will Be Done" hard rock version.
You don't calculate that, that's why he didn't solo at the rehearsal.

What if a good solo comes out and there's no audience?
Isn't it better to feel the adrenaline of a first time anyway?
Musicians know better. Especially skilled ones.


He's not showing off, he's bringing life
where there was mourning (and it's a good thing,
we were about to fall asleep after six loooong minutes
if it wasn't for the drummer and the organist, and of course
Prince's rhythm guitar — he's there from the start —
that brings the heartbeat in a very restrained way, mind you
in total service of the song).

Prince chooses to celebrate life over death,
(Skipper never stopped to believe in "With Love There Is Not Death"),
he brings in something joyous, something that reckons this song is here for the ages,
and this chord progression is awesome, here, let me paint the sky with fireworks,
let's say farewell on a positive note.
Rock'n'Roll fucks death with nails.
Always has.

Prince can be verbose, but he's never gratuitous.
This isn't a "showing off".
Ha! You're still stuck in the "Coco Boys" years.
SKipper is way above by that point.
What else is there to show off when you're admitted into the Hall
on your first year of eligibility? And you're already considered a living legend?

Skipper had a connection between his soul and his fingers
that is close to inexplicable, aside from the years it took him to get there.

What you witness in this performance is Him, in the fullest.
It's a solo that speaks about the ups and downs of life,
the sadness, the fall, the rise.

So salutary after Jeff Lyne's painful meows.

You blame Prince for being rock'n'roll at the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame?
Damn, I say "Make room for Jimi's Maggot Brains now!"

Right from the first note,
we're light years away from what the song was until then.
This is Cape Canaveral, not le Père Lachaise.


I prefer Gospel to Gregorian choirs, I guess.
Either you choose to say goodbye and pay homage
with fireworks, or go for a sad, lone melting candle and Droopy faces.

Getting sadder doesn't help the mourning.
And it's not a kind of kind solo: more like pissed at the World.
How life can be a bitch. Pissed at the fragility of humans.
Which is the whole point of the song.
Go listen to the original recording.

I hear and see Prince going for the stratosphere,
I hear him expressing how much he digs The Beatles,
I think of him saying goodbye to musician he respects (circa 1984).

And wants to pay honor to.
His solo got out that way, and if you don't get the resurrection nod,
you don't get Prince in the fullest.

Bodies fall.
And rise again.
That's Prince's faith, right there.

You're talking as if the performance involves a coked up star who goes
with people he despise just to make some self-promotional appearance.
Does it sound and look that way?

In a Rock'n'Roll "you're not dead, George,
my guitar is an antenna, I can reach to you"
kind of way, Prince is Rock'n'Roll alive, and more.


You and the babysitter are keen on
finding something negative in it.
Suit yourself.

P.S. : and of course he leaves the stage all cocky.
What left is there to say or do after?
Can you imagine Prince levels of adrenalin at this moment?
You really think it's time to shake hands?

Prince let himself go and it gave THAT.
It's funnier to leave as a cool cat.

[Edited 1/25/21 10:42am]

God, relax. I have a right to an opinion and don't need to be hit over the head by your manic response.

I have commented throught-out this forum in a very positive way...take my last comment in context.

[Edited 1/25/21 11:17am]

Margot said:

bonatoc said:

Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
Skipper never had to prove shit.

Maybe he was talking to George Harrison in his head?
After all, Prince is a guest in this performance. One of the rare, if not the only,
Prince appearance as a guest for another artist.
Beats the "We Are The World" recording session any day in my book.

Maybe he was feeling honored to be there,
but you probably wanted him to express more of the sadness
the band played for five minutes (quite understandbly, they knew the guy,
and in the case of Dani, well. BTW, Dani LOVED Prince's performance).

Prince soared that tired-ass cover into "Love Thy Will Be Done" hard rock version.
You don't calculate that, that's why he didn't solo at the rehearsal.

What if a good solo comes out and there's no audience?
Isn't it better to feel the adrenaline of a first time anyway?
Musicians know better. Especially skilled ones.


He's not showing off, he's bringing life
where there was mourning (and it's a good thing,
we were about to fall asleep after six loooong minutes
if it wasn't for the drummer and the organist, and of course
Prince's rhythm guitar — he's there from the start —
that brings the heartbeat in a very restrained way, mind you
in total service of the song).

Prince chooses to celebrate life over death,
(Skipper never stopped to believe in "With Love There Is Not Death"),
he brings in something joyous, something that reckons this song is here for the ages,
and this chord progression is awesome, here, let me paint the sky with fireworks,
let's say farewell on a positive note.
Rock'n'Roll fucks death with nails.
Always has.

Prince can be verbose, but he's never gratuitous.
This isn't a "showing off".
Ha! You're still stuck in the "Coco Boys" years.
SKipper is way above by that point.
What else is there to show off when you're admitted into the Hall
on your first year of eligibility? And you're already considered a living legend?

Skipper had a connection between his soul and his fingers
that is close to inexplicable, aside from the years it took him to get there.

What you witness in this performance is Him, in the fullest.
It's a solo that speaks about the ups and downs of life,
the sadness, the fall, the rise.

So salutary after Jeff Lyne's painful meows.

You blame Prince for being rock'n'roll at the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame?
Damn, I say "Make room for Jimi's Maggot Brains now!"

Right from the first note,
we're light years away from what the song was until then.
This is Cape Canaveral, not le Père Lachaise.


I prefer Gospel to Gregorian choirs, I guess.
Either you choose to say goodbye and pay homage
with fireworks, or go for a sad, lone melting candle and Droopy faces.

Getting sadder doesn't help the mourning.
And it's not a kind of kind solo: more like pissed at the World.
How life can be a bitch. Pissed at the fragility of humans.
Which is the whole point of the song.
Go listen to the original recording.

I hear and see Prince going for the stratosphere,
I hear him expressing how much he digs The Beatles,
I think of him saying goodbye to musician he respects (circa 1984).

And wants to pay honor to.
His solo got out that way, and if you don't get the resurrection nod,
you don't get Prince in the fullest.

Bodies fall.
And rise again.
That's Prince's faith, right there.

You're talking as if the performance involves a coked up star who goes
with people he despise just to make some self-promotional appearance.
Does it sound and look that way?

In a Rock'n'Roll "you're not dead, George,
my guitar is an antenna, I can reach to you"
kind of way, Prince is Rock'n'Roll alive, and more.


You and the babysitter are keen on
finding something negative in it.
Suit yourself.

P.S. : and of course he leaves the stage all cocky.
What left is there to say or do after?
Can you imagine Prince levels of adrenalin at this moment?
You really think it's time to shake hands?

Prince let himself go and it gave THAT.
It's funnier to leave as a cool cat.

[Edited 1/25/21 10:42am]

God, relax. I have a right to an opinion and don't need to be hit over the head by your manic response.

I have commented throught-out this forum in a very positive way...take my last comment in context.

[Edited 1/25/21 11:17am]

his response is not maniac at all.Bonatoc is 99%right. 1 % is Prince didn't play extended solo on the rehearsal because the other guy have some ego problems so he was soloing where he was not supposed to.And yes you do have right to have an opinion but like i said and like Bonatoc said:after that kind of heartful performance u can't stay and shake hands.it wouldn't b honest. And what other guys on stage that night didnt get it ,rocknroll is not about watching at your shoes while you play.rock is about performance and that what Prince did.He saved that performance from disaster,cause first 3 minutes were bland,unispired...

thebanishedone said:

Margot said:

God, relax. I have a right to an opinion and don't need to be hit over the head by your manic response.

I have commented throught-out this forum in a very positive way...take my last comment in context.

[Edited 1/25/21 11:17am]

his response is not maniac at all.Bonatoc is 99%right. 1 % is Prince didn't play extended solo on the rehearsal because the other guy have some ego problems so he was soloing where he was not supposed to.And yes you do have right to have an opinion but like i said and like Bonatoc said:after that kind of heartful performance u can't stay and shake hands.it wouldn't b honest. And what other guys on stage that night didnt get it ,rocknroll is not about watching at your shoes while you play.rock is about performance and that what Prince did.He saved that performance from disaster,cause first 3 minutes were bland,unispired...

My last comment of many on this thread was primarily in response to Prince's 'guitar-throw', not his solo. I have been very clear throughout this thread that Prince acted as a team-player and that the editing portrayed him differently.

The guitar-throw and strutting off-stage was gratuitous.

• As a female fan of Prince's, I am aware of a contingent of male fans identifying (over-identifying) w/Prince's occasional 'baddassery'. This vicarious stuff is annoying to me at times.
• This song did not need to be 'saved from disaster'. It was a song, not a cure for cancer. It was a song written by George and performed as a tribute to him.
• Think of it this way, what if Prince had died and there was a tribute to him w/ a very talented guitar player playing lead to a song Prince had written (with his son in attendance) and this player threw his guitar up in the air and strutted off after he finished? It took the focus off of George. This is the part I don't think was cool and it upset George's son. He talked about it in a later interview.

Margot said:

thebanishedone said:

his response is not maniac at all.Bonatoc is 99%right. 1 % is Prince didn't play extended solo on the rehearsal because the other guy have some ego problems so he was soloing where he was not supposed to.And yes you do have right to have an opinion but like i said and like Bonatoc said:after that kind of heartful performance u can't stay and shake hands.it wouldn't b honest. And what other guys on stage that night didnt get it ,rocknroll is not about watching at your shoes while you play.rock is about performance and that what Prince did.He saved that performance from disaster,cause first 3 minutes were bland,unispired...

My last comment of many on this thread was primarily in response to Prince's 'guitar-throw', not his solo. I have been very clear throughout this thread that Prince acted as a team-player and that the editing portrayed him differently.

The guitar-throw and strutting off-stage was gratuitous.

• As a female fan of Prince's, I am aware of a contingent of male fans identifying (over-identifying) w/Prince's occasional 'baddassery'. This vicarious stuff is annoying to me at times.
• This song did not need to be 'saved from disaster'. It was a song, not a cure for cancer. It was a song written by George and performed as a tribute to him.
• Think of it this way, what if Prince had died and there was a tribute to him w/ a very talented guitar player playing lead to a song Prince had written (with his son in attendance) and this player threw his guitar up in the air and strutted off after he finished? It took the focus off of George. This is the part I don't think was cool and it upset George's son. He talked about it in a later interview.

Lady c'mon if Prince didnt do what he did that video would be long forgotten and it wouldn't have 96 million views. If first 3 minutes of the song are not so lame so by the book and average than i don't know what average and lame is

Margot said:

thebanishedone said:

his response is not maniac at all.Bonatoc is 99%right. 1 % is Prince didn't play extended solo on the rehearsal because the other guy have some ego problems so he was soloing where he was not supposed to.And yes you do have right to have an opinion but like i said and like Bonatoc said:after that kind of heartful performance u can't stay and shake hands.it wouldn't b honest. And what other guys on stage that night didnt get it ,rocknroll is not about watching at your shoes while you play.rock is about performance and that what Prince did.He saved that performance from disaster,cause first 3 minutes were bland,unispired...

My last comment of many on this thread was primarily in response to Prince's 'guitar-throw', not his solo. I have been very clear throughout this thread that Prince acted as a team-player and that the editing portrayed him differently.

The guitar-throw and strutting off-stage was gratuitous.

• As a female fan of Prince's, I am aware of a contingent of male fans identifying (over-identifying) w/Prince's occasional 'baddassery'. This vicarious stuff is annoying to me at times.
• This song did not need to be 'saved from disaster'. It was a song, not a cure for cancer. It was a song written by George and performed as a tribute to him.
• Think of it this way, what if Prince had died and there was a tribute to him w/ a very talented guitar player playing lead to a song Prince had written (with his son in attendance) and this player threw his guitar up in the air and strutted off after he finished? It took the focus off of George. This is the part I don't think was cool and it upset George's son. He talked about it in a later interview.

haha well with the first note of Prince guitar the focus was off George,but u forgot it was Prince's night as well.he was getting inducted.i'm sure George would love it and i'm 110% sure the original guitar player from the recording loves it (Eric Clapton) you dont understand why he throw the guitar,you aint a guitar player so it's something players can understand.

Margot said:

thebanishedone said:

his response is not maniac at all.Bonatoc is 99%right. 1 % is Prince didn't play extended solo on the rehearsal because the other guy have some ego problems so he was soloing where he was not supposed to.And yes you do have right to have an opinion but like i said and like Bonatoc said:after that kind of heartful performance u can't stay and shake hands.it wouldn't b honest. And what other guys on stage that night didnt get it ,rocknroll is not about watching at your shoes while you play.rock is about performance and that what Prince did.He saved that performance from disaster,cause first 3 minutes were bland,unispired...

My last comment of many on this thread was primarily in response to Prince's 'guitar-throw', not his solo. I have been very clear throughout this thread that Prince acted as a team-player and that the editing portrayed him differently.

The guitar-throw and strutting off-stage was gratuitous.

• As a female fan of Prince's, I am aware of a contingent of male fans identifying (over-identifying) w/Prince's occasional 'baddassery'. This vicarious stuff is annoying to me at times.
  
  
• This song did not need to be 'saved from disaster'. It was a song, not a cure for cancer. It was a song written by George and performed as a tribute to him.
  
  
• Think of it this way, what if Prince had died and there was a tribute to him w/ a very talented guitar player playing lead to a song Prince had written (with his son in attendance) and this player threw his guitar up in the air and strutted off after he finished? It took the focus off of George. This is the part I don't think was cool and it upset George's son. He talked about it in a later interview.

You have a point. From your point of view, I get it.

Music can prevent cancer, which is as good as curing it, given the cure.

I think it reflected that this is a great song.
The theme is important. Prince played to it.
Again, Prince was free to feel the moment how it sensed it.
I can't begin to imagine the cocktail of adrenalin and endomorphine
in your body after playing that way.

He tosses his guitar, I would be the Road Runner and circling the stage on one foot.
This is an emotional, grieving solo for the ages and he knows it.
The crowd screams are real.

You think George, up from his Cloud Nine, would be so preoccupied?
I take it he would be in awe, thinking this is a smokin' firin' bitchin' way
to reinterpret the song's lyrics with a guitar solo.

[Edited 1/25/21 12:59pm]

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

Thanks for being a good sport about this.

bonatoc said:

Margot said:

My last comment of many on this thread was primarily in response to Prince's 'guitar-throw', not his solo. I have been very clear throughout this thread that Prince acted as a team-player and that the editing portrayed him differently.

The guitar-throw and strutting off-stage was gratuitous.

• As a female fan of Prince's, I am aware of a contingent of male fans identifying (over-identifying) w/Prince's occasional 'baddassery'. This vicarious stuff is annoying to me at times.
  
  
• This song did not need to be 'saved from disaster'. It was a song, not a cure for cancer. It was a song written by George and performed as a tribute to him.
  
  
• Think of it this way, what if Prince had died and there was a tribute to him w/ a very talented guitar player playing lead to a song Prince had written (with his son in attendance) and this player threw his guitar up in the air and strutted off after he finished? It took the focus off of George. This is the part I don't think was cool and it upset George's son. He talked about it in a later interview.

You have a point. From your point of view, I get it.

Music can prevent cancer, which is as good as curing it, given the cure.

I think it reflected that this is a great song.
The theme is important. Prince played to it.
Again, Prince was free to feel the moment how it sensed it.
I can't begin to imagine the cocktail of adrenalin and endomorphine
in your body after playing that way.

He tosses his guitar, I would be the Road Runner and circling the stage on one foot.
This is an emotional, grieving solo for the ages and he knows it.
The crowd screams are real.

You think George, up from his Cloud Nine, would be so preoccupied?
I take it he would be in awe, thinking this is a smokin' firin' bitchin' way
to reinterpret the song's lyrics with a guitar solo.

[Edited 1/25/21 12:59pm]

thebanishedone said:

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

I hear what your'e saying but I think that the 'falling back' episode and the 'guitar- throw' were

pre-planned as both of these required others to 'catch', (Prince and later his guitar)

I think though Prince could get into the zone he had extreme control as well. He could not get lost in the zone for too long as he usually had a band to direct. In this case he was very tuned in to Petty.

I know you are a guitar player and I don't want to denigrate what you are saying.

I very much enjoyed Prince's virtuosity, team playing and tuning into and showing some deference to Petty as he was the band leader.

It was only the guitar-throw and the strut that, IMO, were questionable.

thebanishedone said:

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

My point exactly.

You can't/wouldn't help it.

Margot said:

thebanishedone said:

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

I hear what your'e saying but I think that the 'falling back' episode and the 'guitar- throw' were

pre-planned as both of these required others to 'catch', (Prince and later his guitar)

I think though Prince could get into the zone he had extreme control as well. He could not get lost in the zone for too long as he usually had a band to direct. In this case he was very tuned in to Petty.

I know you are a guitar player and I don't want to denigrate what you are saying.

I very much enjoyed Prince's virtuosity, team playing and tuning into and showing some deference to Petty as he was the band leader.

It was only the guitar-throw and the strut that, IMO, were questionable.

I might be wrong, but I choose to see it as a resurrection nod.
James Brown school.

Guy succumbs, lives again.
Simple story.

I mean, think about it.
This is a very odd thing to choose to do on stage.
To fall. Not many artists stage themselves this way.

And it requires some faith, damn, the guy who
Catch U When U Fall better be there, and ready.
Prince drops quick in that shot.

But the symbolic he wants out of it?
And the effect seen from the crowd?
If it was about boasting, I think he would do his solo
from a stage pedestal like he did in the eighties.

I bet Prince would have loved if these were the seventies
and he could have dropped in the crowd,
and the crowd pushing him back on stage.
But with the 00's came security paranoia.

Anyway, the stage trick is a quotation from the history of staging presence
(James Brown and his metaphoric heart failure act).
And I think it's a cool one, it's full of humour.


But I think, as far as you seem to be concerned about how
the other people on stage felt about it, this article sums it up.
There seems to be no harsh feelings at all.

bonatoc said:

thebanishedone said:

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

My point exactly.

You can't/wouldn't help it.

Prince left the 'zone'every 60 seconds or so to check in w/Petty.

I was surprised to see how often he checked in; @ least 4-5 times, which would have broken the 'spell' each time.

This solo is being romanticized.

There is an end credit " A film by Jhonothan Demme" I s this part of a documentary?

Margot said:

thebanishedone said:

When you plaY a guitar solo and everything fits the vibe,background musicians do their thing and harmony is cool and you go into Zone or Zen or some other place where every note that you execute can't be wrong there is nothing better than that.But in order to do that you have to be honest

with yourself and the audiance will recognise that.

I am sorry but after that take no prisoners aprouch there is no chance that you can stay there,no chance you can even stay normal for a minute or so.

I hear what your'e saying but I think that the 'falling back' episode and the 'guitar- throw' were

pre-planned as both of these required others to 'catch', (Prince and later his guitar)

I think though Prince could get into the zone he had extreme control as well. He could not get lost in the zone for too long as he usually had a band to direct. In this case he was very tuned in to Petty.

I know you are a guitar player and I don't want to denigrate what you are saying.

I very much enjoyed Prince's virtuosity, team playing and tuning into and showing some deference to Petty as he was the band leader.

It was only the guitar-throw and the strut that, IMO, were questionable.

i agree off course those parts were planned but it work in the context.I think Princesaid to body guard that at some point he is going to turn his back to the audiannce and that would be a signal for a bodyguard to aprouch but it didnt affect his playing