fuck this Mark guy,why he interrupted Prince's solo again

EnDoRpHn said:

PorterUK said:

Yes! My take was that all the other instruments were muted in the broadcast version yet here they are left up. You hear the piano much more, the tone of P's guitar is much clearer in the mix. The other guitar is Jeff Lynn's guitarist, Marc Mann, who plays a brilliant rendition of Clapton's original stuff right up until P kicks in. We've all read the stories about the rehearsal I'm sure - well, that's the guy who steamrolls P in rehearsal. No sleight to him, he's clearly a fantastic guitarist. But when P hits a certain length of his solo, the broadcast version feels like it has "ran of out of steam". Here you can actually hear that he's playing off of Marc Mann who has rejoined with some guitar weeping of his own. It makes much more sense to me now. Great guitar work! [Edited 1/17/21 3:39am]

No slight to him? How about the slight to Prince? That guy is a studio session guitarist. During rehearsal, he and the others assumed Prince not only didn’t know the song, but wasn’t up to contributing. Prince was being inducted into the Hall that night, not him. The only thing anyone remembers him for in this performance is his mimicry. If you watch closely in the original video, you can see that he fully intended to take the second solo in the song as well, but Prince just stepped forward and overtook him. I find him wailing back in at the end to be not only disrespectful, but dissonant, as if the white guy has to come back and put Prince in his place. I remember hearing about this performance the morning after it happened. Everyone was talking about Prince. He rattled lots of cages that night. The other guy, even the others on the stage, no one mentioned, except Dhani Harrison and Tom Petty.

I agree that little fucker was disrecpectful to Prince,but on the rehearsal he was jumping in so thats why Prince didn't contribute on rehearsal.

I don't think he was about to jump into second solo cause producers told him that Prince is gonna play the second solo,yet this little fuckker Mark jumped in again.so uncool

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

peedub said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

what are we, toddlers? whether he did or didn't is irrelevant. his whole thing was showing off. the performance was designed to showcase him, as he was a new inductee. they were his backing band, not competitors.

No that's fair point - I shouldn't have called them fossils. Whether I am a fan of Jeff/ELO, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood or not, I should be respctful of their status as statesmen of rock, so I retract the use of fossils.

The WMGGW performance was not designed to showcase him. So they were not just hsi backing band. He was guesting on a pre-arranged tribute song.

I don't think that meant he shouldn't play to his full abilities and "be Prince" - and put on the masterclass that he did.

Back to the purpose of posting the clip - I just think the decisions made during editing have deprived us of the full story around the solo. We should have always heard it as a full band mix. I don't hate Marc Mann for playing towards the end of the solo as I think Prince had clearly decided he had had his 24/36/48 bars or whatever his solo was designed to do...

I personally understand the end of that solo all the more now. That's all the clip is meant to demonstrate.

(FYI - I've switched off comments on Youtube as I couldn't handle the last comment - "Now we know Prince didn't care about good audio". I can't handle stupidity like that so the clip is up for as-is. Watch or don't. I don't need the hassle of reading baseless and tangential trolling.)

peedub said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

what are we, toddlers? whether he did or didn't is irrelevant. his whole thing was showing off. the performance was designed to showcase him, as he was a new inductee. they were his backing band, not competitors.

his whole thing was showing off - agreed, but it was not about showcasing him, it a was a tribute to someone who had died, so they were def NOT his backing band. he had done his own performance at the ceremony that night.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

his whole thing was showing off - agreed, but it was not about showcasing him, it a was a tribute to someone who had died, so they were def NOT his backing band. he had done his own performance at the ceremony that night.

Am I the only one who sees this footage as evidence that Prince showed off LESS than originally thought?

To me, this shows him playing his part as the band member. Final soloist, yes. But band member all the same.

Not the steamroller he was accused of being these last 15 years+

PorterUK said:

peedub said:

PorterUK said:

No that's fair point - I shouldn't have called them fossils. Whether I am a fan of Jeff/ELO, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood or not, I should be respctful of their status as statesmen of rock, so I retract the use of fossils.

The WMGGW performance was not designed to showcase him. So they were not just hsi backing band. He was guesting on a pre-arranged tribute song.

I don't think that meant he shouldn't play to his full abilities and "be Prince" - and put on the masterclass that he did.

i dunno... tribute or not, as the man scheduled to replace a clapton solo and being the only freshman inductee on stage, i feel he was being showcased by design anyhow, thanks for the video. i checked my time/life records recording of the performance, hoping it was the same audio mix. sadly, it is not.

• The footage was shot, independently, by Jonathan Demme, a world-class Hollywood director who loved Rock N Roll. This version is in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.

'Demme's real genius, though, might be in breaking the frenetic cut pattern and closing with almost the entirety of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." Prince's solo is, by anyone's standards, an amazing display of talent, the best I have heard in 60 years as a music fan. And seeing the look on Dhani Harrison's face -- a combination of gratitude, pride and love -- is priceless.

Yet the brilliance is in the selection of the song itself, for it is so much more than sum of its chords, notes and words. It is the very definition of music, conveying memories and emotion in a split-second way that is both raw and refined.'

• Prince was asked by a producer @ the RRHOF to perform a solo with Tom Petty et al in George's song,' While My Guitar Gently Weeps as a tribute to George as he was being inducted
• Prince was very fond of and respected both Tom Petty and George Harrison.
• In the unedited, Jonathan Demme version, Prince is clearly a team player and though playing magnificently, he defers to Petty throughout as Tom is the band-leader.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

After Prince died, there was an interview with Tom Petty in the NYT or possibly Rolling Stone (?) in which he said that he had wanted to reach out to Prince earlier in the year but not on a professional basis but on a friendship level. For someone like Tom Petty to say that he had wanted to call Prince up on the phone and talk, he knew that Prince had respect for him. Certainly vice versa too.

We visited RRHOF a few years ago, and in their theater they have nice "highlights" video, which this appears to be.

They spend anywhere from 10-30 seconds on each highlighted performer, but for this performance they show the whole thing.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

Not true. Prince had respect for Tom Petty. More than I do, but that's not saying much. If Prince respected the Rolling Stones (which he did), and those fools can barely play their instruments then he surely respects someone like Jeff Lynne. Stop projecting your own failures onto others.

PorterUK said:

The line from Tom Petty about P being a Beatles fan and of George particularly struck me as pure crap. An uninformed comment made purely to fit with the circumstances. If The Beatles ahd been an influence, he'd have covered them significantly throughout his career.

Lisa stated that Prince bought the entire works of the Beatles to study, and loved their work. It was on the Purple Rain tour if I recall.

steakfinger said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

Not true. Prince had respect for Tom Petty. More than I do, but that's not saying much. If Prince respected the Rolling Stones (which he did), and those fools can barely play their instruments then he surely respects someone like Jeff Lynne. Stop projecting your own failures onto others.

Tom Petty was very much respected by his peers. He was not as dynamic on stage as Prince was, but he was respected as a talented singer/song-writer/band-leader.

Prince and Mick Jagger had a good relationship and their bassist, Ronnie Wood was a friend of Prince's.

[Edited 1/19/21 19:28pm]

steakfinger said:

Margot said:

so sad that both Prince and Petty were murdered by the same demon.

peedub said:

why y'all keep calling them fossils? they're prince's contemporaries on stage at the rock and roll hall of fame. maybe a little respect?

Tom Petty was right there in the 80s and 90s on the radio and MTV/VH1. He had hits and cool videos too (in fact, his videos are infinitely better than Prince's).

I think they just feel more like peers due to their age and appearance, and less like "contemporaries" - even though they are.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Lol You think prince respected these guys? His whole thing was blowing them off the stage. [Edited 1/19/21 6:49am]

You're projecting.

it might be true that in this new footage something is shown that was not there in the previous one, but to act like prince didnt have a history of wanting to dominate and embarass his peers on stage in the past is just false.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

it might be true that in this new footage something is shown that was not there in the previous one, but to act like prince didnt have a history of wanting to dominate and embarass his peers on stage in the past is just false.

I don't think Prince ever wanted to emberass anyone on stage,i've heard recordings of Prince live with Bruce Springsteen,Sting,Seal...many others.He gave spotlight to all of them,Springsteen did a cool funk guitar solo on Baby I'm A Star 1985 live i Miami i think.The problem was a band had rehearsed cues that the guest musicians didn't know and Prince was fireing those cues when he felt like,but i think he was chasing the sound and feel,without really wanting to embaress any of those guys.And when Prince is showing of on guitar i don't see it like that,i think he just goes into energetic zone and what you hear is what he is taking from there.I think that when he shreads it's like a wave of emotions coming on to you,like a storm or fire aprouching fast.cause you can see those notes he plays mean to him.I can see and hear that what he did on While My Guitar was very honest,nothing fake about it,except the body guuard part but even that was somehow right.I really believe that George would love it and i am sure that Clapton seen it on utub and loved it. That night in the rnr hall of fame was Bruce Springsteen,Keith Richards and i think Robert Plant.

Phase3 said:

What about when Prince embarrassed Kim Kardashian on stage? I am glad he did

She's not a musician.

PorterUK said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Does anyone wonder if the other guys in the performance gave prince the cold shoulder in the rehearsal so when it came to the real thing,he wanted to blow them out the frame? Doesnt sound like there was much communication there between them.... Either way he def did not look like he was part of that group. It was like he wanted to show he was def separate from them on stage. Even his positioning shows that. [Edited 1/19/21 3:39am]

It makes me think of how he would have been in the We Are The World setting...

Here's 2004 P who has matured and is now a lot more at ease with others, yet he still is the odd guy here. Shy, a little awkward around all these fossils - but on a different level talent-wise.

I can't see him being cool in that We Are The World session at all. And they certainly wouldn't have given him room to shine. Hell, Jacko had even lined him to sing after him and in a bad key... So it would have been a bad moment for P.

Back to this performance, I don't think they were extremely welcoming to him but I also think he'd have come across as being a bit aloof (due to his shyness) and therefore it compunds. The story in the NYT suggested that the musicians did say hi to him. I think that group of fossils was used to playing together though so there'll have been a little bit of a clique.

Also it's worth saying that some of them will have 'looked down' on Prince for being a funk musician and not a dyed-in-the-wool rocker. How wrong they were to make that assumption as we all knew different and he made that point emphatically that evening!

I stuggle with this performance as I find it untiringly interesting. Yet it doesn't have 99% of the magic that a genuine Prince performance has to me. Take this and juxtapose it to LRC in Montreux 09... Both guitar masterclasses but one is real-Prince and the other feels like some strange event.

Great post.

I think it was George's wife, who had reservations about Prince playing...she may not have been familiar w/him. Anyway, I agree that Prince may not have been entirely welcome.

A producer from the RRHOF wanted him to take the lead.

Margot said:

PorterUK said:

It makes me think of how he would have been in the We Are The World setting...

Here's 2004 P who has matured and is now a lot more at ease with others, yet he still is the odd guy here. Shy, a little awkward around all these fossils - but on a different level talent-wise.

I can't see him being cool in that We Are The World session at all. And they certainly wouldn't have given him room to shine. Hell, Jacko had even lined him to sing after him and in a bad key... So it would have been a bad moment for P.

Back to this performance, I don't think they were extremely welcoming to him but I also think he'd have come across as being a bit aloof (due to his shyness) and therefore it compunds. The story in the NYT suggested that the musicians did say hi to him. I think that group of fossils was used to playing together though so there'll have been a little bit of a clique.

Also it's worth saying that some of them will have 'looked down' on Prince for being a funk musician and not a dyed-in-the-wool rocker. How wrong they were to make that assumption as we all knew different and he made that point emphatically that evening!

I stuggle with this performance as I find it untiringly interesting. Yet it doesn't have 99% of the magic that a genuine Prince performance has to me. Take this and juxtapose it to LRC in Montreux 09... Both guitar masterclasses but one is real-Prince and the other feels like some strange event.

Great post.

I think it was George's wife, who had reservations about Prince playing...she may not have been familiar w/him. Anyway, I agree that Prince may not have been entirely welcome.

A producer from the RRHOF wanted him to take the lead.

Duringrnr hall of fame events a lot of times there is an all star band playing so i doubt that anybody except Harrison wife had agenda

thebanishedone said:

thebanishedone said: