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Thread started 01/15/21 9:09am

PURPLEIZED3121

Can the Prince estate make every show available to buy as per Springsteens website...

..i mean HOLY SHIT! Shows from 1977 to present. Avaiable with reviews, notes & a click & download button - beautifully laid out - see here http://live.brucespringst...talog.aspx

Incredible...will this ever be viable for P? Are there too many legal complications?, too many band members able to claim $ , is it too open to abuse from fans making them available for free etc

The resources are there, the Vault is VAST - surely to God they could start with just 1 show from each year & build from there?

The audience is getting older - they really do need to capitalise in the coming year or 2 to cater for the absolute hard core.

Thoughts?

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Reply #1 posted 01/15/21 9:26am

PURPLEIZED3121

o who put this together anyway? Print

Modified on: Wed, 19 Aug, 2015 at 1:00 PM


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Reply #2 posted 01/15/21 11:59am

Romeoblu

The cd's they sell are cdrs. It's not made very clear. They also take an age to ship. I think they make a show available each month.

However the concept would be great for Prince.
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Reply #3 posted 01/16/21 5:37am

jn2

We definitively need something like this.
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Reply #4 posted 01/16/21 5:50am

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this will take a long time to happen.

dont hold your breath.

also, you are asking for EVERY show to be made available.

i dont think that the artists on this site have done that.

there is stll some selection happening.

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Reply #5 posted 01/16/21 6:59am

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That would make too much sense.

Hell, Prince himself could have done something similar to this but for whatever reason never persued it.

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Reply #6 posted 01/16/21 7:19am

funkypixie

Surely this wouldn't happen at least until the end of the deluxe reissues campaign as putting out, for example, a load of Lovesexy shows would devalue whatever comes with the deluxe reissue. I think I'm right in saying Springsteen has already put out fairly extension reissues of most of his classic albums with live shows as part of those. So it doesn't really take away from it if he now puts out more shows from those tours.

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Reply #7 posted 01/16/21 8:43am

cooldayla

Bruce setlist are not the same show after show. He mixes it up and sprinkles in some random tracks. Prince setists don't contain the same randomness Bruce would produce. So Lovesexy tour shows would be the same show 8 times out of 10.

What would be needed is the inclusion of his aftershows, rehearsals, paisley park shows and one-offs.

That is what people interested in the website would want.

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Reply #8 posted 01/16/21 9:17am

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I would like to have the 1980 show that he did in my city as the opening act for Rick James that I wasn't able to attend and also the 1997 show that he did in my city in which I did attend. Those two shows would mean something to me personally but would mean nothing to anyone else. Having every single show would be an endless amount of repetitiveness and very obsessive. Unless it's a historic show or a particular show that stands out of the ordinary, I'm fine with having one show per tour.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #9 posted 01/17/21 2:52pm

PURPLEIZED3121

funkypixie said:

Surely this wouldn't happen at least until the end of the deluxe reissues campaign as putting out, for example, a load of Lovesexy shows would devalue whatever comes with the deluxe reissue. I think I'm right in saying Springsteen has already put out fairly extension reissues of most of his classic albums with live shows as part of those. So it doesn't really take away from it if he now puts out more shows from those tours.

but we be gettin old!!..can't wait THAT long!

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Reply #10 posted 01/17/21 2:53pm

PURPLEIZED3121

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

this will take a long time to happen.

dont hold your breath.

also, you are asking for EVERY show to be made available.

i dont think that the artists on this site have done that.

there is stll some selection happening.

[Edited 1/16/21 5:51am]

Literally 1 main show & 1 after show from each year would suffice right now - that would be quite a haul!

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Reply #11 posted 01/17/21 10:24pm

Dalia11

I hope the Prince Estate releases more DVDs of Prince Tours, concerts, tv appearances.

From 1980 to 2016 - Prince did 29 Tours.
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Reply #12 posted 01/18/21 4:04am

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As many of us have said, there IS a need for such a service for Prince, not just live shows but rehearsal as well, and studio tracks that do not deserve the SDE treatment (such as alt. edits, etc.).

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Hopefully they'll do it before we're all dead. Seriously though, if any of us learns they have terminal cancer or something like that, they should sue the Estate. They'll lose, but u know, just for the media buzz and giving them some shit lol

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Reply #13 posted 01/18/21 7:11am

RODSERLING

Oh please, no.
Just ONE good show in physical HD would be a good start.
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Reply #14 posted 01/19/21 3:39am

1p1p1i3

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This would bankrupt me smile

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Reply #15 posted 01/19/21 4:49am

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RODSERLING said:

Oh please, no. Just ONE good show in physical HD would be a good start.

How many Prince shows even potentially exist in HD considering his cassette mixdown masters well into the 90s/00s?

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Reply #16 posted 01/19/21 9:02am

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RODSERLING said:


Oh please, no. Just ONE good show in physical HD would be a good start.

How many Prince shows even potentially exist in HD considering his cassette mixdown masters well into the 90s/00s?



If they are shot on film.
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Reply #17 posted 01/19/21 9:17am

gandorb

cooldayla said:

Bruce setlist are not the same show after show. He mixes it up and sprinkles in some random tracks. Prince setists don't contain the same randomness Bruce would produce. So Lovesexy tour shows would be the same show 8 times out of 10.


What would be needed is the inclusion of his aftershows, rehearsals, paisley park shows and one-offs.


That is what people interested in the website would want.




Yes, this sounds good along with one show from each tour.
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Reply #18 posted 01/19/21 9:35am

Genesia

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I'd rather have the aftershows.

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Reply #19 posted 01/19/21 10:10am

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Genesia said:

I'd rather have the aftershows.


Same.

This got me to thinking though...how many did he film? I attended 3 and never saw a recording crew set up. Obviously the audio exists for a lot of them but I wonder about video.

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Reply #20 posted 01/19/21 10:26am

Genesia

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herb4 said:

Genesia said:

I'd rather have the aftershows.


Same.

This got me to thinking though...how many did he film? I attended 3 and never saw a recording crew set up. Obviously the audio exists for a lot of them but I wonder about video.


I'm sure there aren't many - because afters tended to be so hastily arranged.

True story: One aftershow I was at (the Friday after the Super Bowl at 3121 at the Rio) has an audience-recorded boot (Victory 3121). There is a pretty noticeable chunk of that show that is missing - including Shelby J. singing Sweet Thing. I remember Prince talking to her just before that - and while she was singing, she came over, took my hand, and we sang the chorus together. I'm guessing the person who was recording the show was sitting behind me, Prince saw them, and sent Shelby to investigate.

To my knowledge, that is the only 3121 aftershow for which a recording has surfaced. The quality is terrible.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Genesia said:

herb4 said:


Same.

This got me to thinking though...how many did he film? I attended 3 and never saw a recording crew set up. Obviously the audio exists for a lot of them but I wonder about video.


I'm sure there aren't many - because afters tended to be so hastily arranged.

True story: One aftershow I was at (the Friday after the Super Bowl at 3121 at the Rio) has an audience-recorded boot (Victory 3121). There is a pretty noticeable chunk of that show that is missing - including Shelby J. singing Sweet Thing. I remember Prince talking to her just before that - and while she was singing, she came over, took my hand, and we sang the chorus together. I'm guessing the person who was recording the show was sitting behind me, Prince saw them, and sent Shelby to investigate.

To my knowledge, that is the only 3121 aftershow for which a recording has surfaced. The quality is terrible.


What did he play (besides Sweet Thing)? Curious what a 3121 Super Bowl era aftershow set list might consist of.

The aftershows were so fucking great because they just JAMMED. I got a huge kick out of watching Prince signal time changes, nod to the band for another measure, fucking around on a whim, grabbing different instruments, surprise guests, oldies, cospontaneityvers and just making it up as they went all while still keeping the band tight. First one I ever saw, he opened with The Ride and just went the fuck off for 90 minutes with me in the "3rd row". By the end, Chuck D was there and they were doing Fight the Power. Insane energy.

The spark and spontaniety in his regular shows was never there the way it was at 1:30 am in those tiny clubs.

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Reply #22 posted 01/19/21 11:47am

Genesia

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herb4 said:

Genesia said:


I'm sure there aren't many - because afters tended to be so hastily arranged.

True story: One aftershow I was at (the Friday after the Super Bowl at 3121 at the Rio) has an audience-recorded boot (Victory 3121). There is a pretty noticeable chunk of that show that is missing - including Shelby J. singing Sweet Thing. I remember Prince talking to her just before that - and while she was singing, she came over, took my hand, and we sang the chorus together. I'm guessing the person who was recording the show was sitting behind me, Prince saw them, and sent Shelby to investigate.

To my knowledge, that is the only 3121 aftershow for which a recording has surfaced. The quality is terrible.


What did he play (besides Sweet Thing)? Curious what a 3121 Super Bowl era aftershow set list might consist of.

The aftershows were so fucking great because they just JAMMED. I got a huge kick out of watching Prince signal time changes, nod to the band for another measure, fucking around on a whim, grabbing different instruments, surprise guests, oldies, cospontaneityvers and just making it up as they went all while still keeping the band tight. First one I ever saw, he opened with The Ride and just went the fuck off for 90 minutes with me in the "3rd row". By the end, Chuck D was there and they were doing Fight the Power. Insane energy.

The spark and spontaniety in his regular shows was never there the way it was at 1:30 am in those tiny clubs.


Yeah, this one was a jam-fest, too. I don't have the setlist or recording at hand, but the biggest thing was that he played Wasted Kisses - the only time he ever played that live. He also played Stratus, a 70s set with Brick House, Skin Tight, Love Rollercoaster and Play That Funky Music. Sheila was there that night, too - and they did a bunch of stuff with her, including a long jam on Get On the Boat.

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Reply #23 posted 01/19/21 1:49pm

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Genesia said:

herb4 said:


What did he play (besides Sweet Thing)? Curious what a 3121 Super Bowl era aftershow set list might consist of.

The aftershows were so fucking great because they just JAMMED. I got a huge kick out of watching Prince signal time changes, nod to the band for another measure, fucking around on a whim, grabbing different instruments, surprise guests, oldies, cospontaneityvers and just making it up as they went all while still keeping the band tight. First one I ever saw, he opened with The Ride and just went the fuck off for 90 minutes with me in the "3rd row". By the end, Chuck D was there and they were doing Fight the Power. Insane energy.

The spark and spontaniety in his regular shows was never there the way it was at 1:30 am in those tiny clubs.


Yeah, this one was a jam-fest, too. I don't have the setlist or recording at hand, but the biggest thing was that he played Wasted Kisses - the only time he ever played that live. He also played Stratus, a 70s set with Brick House, Skin Tight, Love Rollercoaster and Play That Funky Music. Sheila was there that night, too - and they did a bunch of stuff with her, including a long jam on Get On the Boat.


Yeah, see...that kind of stuff is what I'm talking about.

As much as I loved seeing Prince play live, on the few occasions where I got to see more than one show from a tour (Hit & Run 2000, Musicology, One Nite Alone), the set list was the same and it was like watching the same concert, right down to the dancing back when he did a lot of that. Same with the DVD's/VHS from Purple Rain, SoTT, Lovesexy give or take 2 or 3 songs. It sometimes felt packaged and lacked surprises (Minus the acoustic set from Musicology - that I wish he'd done more often).

The aftershows brought out The Ride, Stevie Wonder covers (Maybe Your Baby, Superstition, You Haven't Done Nothin, Higher Ground), Santana (Soul Sacrifice), Joy in Repetition, Dolphin, The Stick, 777-9311, Dorothy Parker and She's Always in my Hair.

The energy and musicianship were next level and, more importantly, were full of surprises. Still looking for that full cover of Miss You from 1988 that I've only heard snippets of where he does the Jagger impression.

These shows I saw:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/prince/2000/unknown-venue-atlanta-ga-2bca4836.html

and this one

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/prince/2002/unknown-venue-atlanta-ga-4bce53ca.html

Can't find the other one but remember it was in Philly.

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Reply #24 posted 01/19/21 2:32pm

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Of course they can. Will they? Would the estate find it worth the expense of putting a thing like that together? That is the question.

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Reply #25 posted 01/19/21 4:04pm

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Of course they can. Will they? Would the estate find it worth the expense of putting a thing like that together? That is the question.

Surely cheaper than mass producing deluxe box sets & paying for mass marketing etc

No extensive notes / analysis needed on each release - just a great picture, a track list & a good quality download for live or vault tracks - heck even just an MP3 will do!

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